Nute Flush

4No0b

New Member
I've added some organic nutes to my plants when I thought they had N deficiency (I was overwatering). I've read that with organic nutes I'shouldnt use H[SUB]2[/SUB]O[SUB]2[/SUB]. So insted of doing the traditional nute flush is it ok to just add some H2O2? oh and cinnanon does it really enchance flavor as some Mg[SUP]2+[/SUP]?
 

Rrog

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Like potting soil? Or a mix like Roots? Just curious, when you say "vase," there's drainage, right?
 

Nullis

Moderator
Hydrogen peroxide can potentially kill most things living in the soil (i.e bacteria, fungi including mycorrhizae). Most cells have peroxidases to catalyze the breakdown of minor amounts, but the right concentration will harm most any cell including root or human skin cells.

Just let the pot dry out. Add a fan or two to improve air circulation, or if possible increase the lighting to hasten drying. Good soil structure should reduce the harm from overwatering, which is really due to lack of oxygen in the rhizosphere as the roots breath oxygen. It is also required for the beneficial obligate aerobic organisms to live.
Organic nutrients are generally low NPK with less of a tendency to burn, unless you really over did it in that one application.

oh and cinnanon does it really enchance flavor as some Mg[SUP]2+[/SUP]?
Not really sure what you mean by this... and magnesium? I don't believe that cinnamon enhances anything although I have heard of it being used to deter pests.

Flushing isn't really necessary in soil and most people who grow in organic\living soil wouldn't "flush" at all, ever, just water regularly. In a living soil, various microbes are working in concert with the plant, functioning to seek out, break down, retain and/or release nutrients in plant available form for the plant at all times. Also, soil has a means by which it, itself, can retain certain nutrients, primarily mineral cations which include NH[SUB]4[/SUB][SUP]+[/SUP], K[SUP]+[/SUP], Ca[SUP]2+[/SUP], Mg[SUP]2+[/SUP], Fe[SUP]2+\3+[/SUP], Na[SUP]2+[/SUP], etc. Cations are attracted and loosely bound to very small particles (i.e. those of clay and humus) which posses a net negative charge, preventing them from leaching out of the soil whilst remaining available to plants. Cation exchange capacity refers to how well a medium can retain nutrients. Soils higher in clay and humus also have a greater CEC, while sandy soils lack CEC (cannot hold onto nutrients). Coco coir and sphagnum peat moss also have CEC and are much lighter materials.

In hydroponics the fertilizers used are often much higher in NPK and most hydro nutrients also contain synthetic chelating agents (EDTA, DTPA) to increase the uptake of nutrients (including heavy metals). This replaces the role of humus and microbes in the rhizosphere, and the plants are basically being force-fed.
 

4No0b

New Member
Hydrogen peroxide can potentially kill most things living in the soil (i.e bacteria, fungi including mycorrhizae). Most cells have peroxidases to catalyze the breakdown of minor amounts, but the right concentration will harm most any cell including root or human skin cells.

Just let the pot dry out. Add a fan or two to improve air circulation, or if possible increase the lighting to hasten drying. Good soil structure should reduce the harm from overwatering, which is really due to lack of oxygen in the rhizosphere as the roots breath oxygen. It is also required for the beneficial obligate aerobic organisms to live.
Organic nutrients are generally low NPK with less of a tendency to burn, unless you really over did it in that one application.
Nop I they don't show any signs of nute burn. I used peroxide once when one of them staggered it's growth because lack of oxigen in the roots.
my friends used cinnanon because they said that capsesein enchanced the flavor.. but oh well they're pot heads :rolleyes:
Mg is with manesium sulphate. I've read that magnesium levels in your body influence your high. so i was checking if someone would kow something about placing Mg directly in your plants

Thank you all!
 

SpicySativa

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Rule number 1 for organic gardeners: Disregard anything you hear from Jorge Cervantes. Most of what that guy writes is a fuckin joke...
 

kinddiesel

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if your looking for crazy flavors last 2 days or harvest. put in a sugar free drink mix. and after harvest. they will smell like cherry . grape what ever you want. I did cherry and grape . and my favorite was wild berry . people were flipping out loved it. shhhhhhhhhhhh no body tell my secret
 

a mongo frog

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Rule number 1 for organic gardeners: Disregard anything you hear from Jorge Cervantes. Most of what that guy writes is a fuckin joke...
Yea, he just has a best selling grow bible and now what he wrote is a joke. Bull shit. His bible has a ton of great info, and if your learning or have grown for a while its a great book to learn or fall back on.
 

SpicySativa

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Yea, he just has a best selling grow bible and now what he wrote is a joke. Bull shit. His bible has a ton of great info, and if your learning or have grown for a while its a great book to learn or fall back on.
Just because the guy wrote a (self proclaimed) "bible" and lots of people bought it does not mean it contains the truth. That mindset has gotten us in trouble more than once...

Jorge and Ed give some decent advice for chemical growers, but they've missed the boat when it comes to organic gardening. They still recommend nonsense like baking your soil in the oven to kill it off if you plan to reuse it. The central idea in organics is to build the soil by continually replacing organic matter and fostering a healthy, diverse population of microbes and invertebrates. Soil building like this doesn't happen in a quick 3-month grow period, and it certainly isn't going to happen if you bake your soil after each grow.
 

SpicySativa

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"Use a potting soil only once. Depleted used soil has poor water and air retention causing compaction and reduced drainage." -Jorge Cervantes (Marijuana Grow Basics)

"Do not reuse potting soil. If used for more than one crop, undesirable microorganisms, insects, and fungus start growing; nutrients are depleted; water and air retention are poor, causing compaction and poor drainage." Jorge Cervantes (Indoor Marijuana Horticulture)

These two statements alone demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what goes on in the rhizosphere. Organic soil is not "depleted" over the course of a grow, it is improved, or "built". Nutrients are replenished through regular additions of compost and raw organic ammendments. Soil structure, drainage, water retention, and aeration are all improved as microorganisms join soil particles into aggregates, creating that black crumbly goodness we associate with healthy soil. Harmful organisms are outcompeted, discouraged, or straight up eaten alive by the diverse community of beneficial organisms which are built up over time.

Outside of the MJ growing bubble, if you were to tell an avid organic gardener that you throw away your soil each time you use it, he probably wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry...
 

c4ulater

Active Member
I actually learned just about everything from reading. Thus being said - I think most YouTube channel "growers" are -- hmm, different(?).. Everyone does things differently and some things work for them and they swear by it. I , on the other hand just do a lot of reading via forums and books (the best source of knowledge known to man) to collect all the information. Though - you only get better with growing by trying things. Bad or good.
 

4No0b

New Member
That's an issue I'm having right now.. There's too much info. And it starts to be difficult to Know what's bullshit and not. eg. "watering with milk and flat beer"
 
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