Nute brands

listmann

listmann

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My trust with my current nute pusher has been broken since i blew one of their products as a fake. (General hydroponics Europe)

Now i'm looking to switch. I heard someone say Advanced nutes are watered down.

So, wich nute pushers do you guys prefer? And please if you started growing a year ago, save me you'r opinion - with all due respect :peace:
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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If you insist on spending too much money, House & Garden is very good.

Many folks get great results with dry nutrient salts like calcium nitrate, epsom salts and Jacks hydroponic formula with micros, or another brand like Hydrogardens.com.

If you really know your ratios and chemistry then go with the dry salts, otherwise what you are paying for with an established brand is a proven nutrient schedule- so don't get fancy, just follow the damned thing.
 
drolove

drolove

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try jungle juice from advance nutrients. you can get a gallon of EACH of the 3 parts for 60-70 bucks? and its definitely NOT watered down. the stuff is pretty concentrated actually. been using from those gallons for the last 3 years and still have a little left. going to order some more real soon.
 
listmann

listmann

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Thx guys. Idunno how to like posts or i would!

ttystik: I am no chemist and nutes are one of the lowest costs on my grow as it is so saving a few bucks is not in my top priority.
I do want a proven formula developed and perfected by numerous growers and experts over many years i believe thats worth paying a few bucks for :)

I was even thinking of going Organic but then it's still gonna have to be a proven formula like biobizz you will NOT se me mixing me own manure and brewing my own compost tea that's just NOT gonna happen i live in the city and i do have a job :-D

I DO prefer three part as it does give me more control though.

Besides i am far from sure what the economy would be in dry ferts as i know of no european dealers. Well ofcourse there alotta shit for horgriculture but it will allways be pre mixed in formulas designed for everything else than our girls. Like the ones you mentioned, there is NO part of my plants life in wich i need to add a formula of NPK: 5-12-26???

The "needing europe dealers" is also an issue on wich brand i can trust AND get my hands on.

GHE i don't trust simce they sold me a slicate product that did not contain what the claimed it did upon some investigation. (It was a silicate powder product and they said it was water soluble.)
But it doesnt take a chemist to find that the SI04 in the product is NOT water soluble :-/ SI02 is soluble silicate.

So now i had to clean out my whole freakin hydroponic system from unsolvable dust clogging the system
 
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thenasty1

thenasty1

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i gave advanced nutrients an honest attempt, and by that i mean i ran 3 cycles beginning to end using it. it made things a lot more difficult than they needed to be, and i wouldnt consider using advanced again. after all the nutes ive used (over a span of ~6 yrs), botanicare + pondzyme works the best for me so far.
 
rekoj0916

rekoj0916

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I've recently switched to heavy 16 & am loving the results. Only using the base nutes, but planning to use additives as well next run.
 
hicountry1

hicountry1

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Been growing for 19 years, owned a hydro store for 3. Botanicare is the best imo, high quality and very consistent. The kind line is great for hydro. Advanced is total crap, I refused to sell it in my store even though it's expensive and I would have made some nice coin off of it.
 
listmann

listmann

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Seems the verdict is in :) Botanicare!
Now to find a european dealership! Hoping for the best

(I did hear and noted the other suggestions and looked into them thank you all for your opinion! :) i got a few failsafes ;)
 
KLITE

KLITE

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After trying innovating plant products in hydro and doing things exactly the same as i always have people were tellling me it was the best crop to date. Im pretty sure they use extremely high quality raw materials and very refined stuff.
 
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churchhaze

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Of course it is. It's a solid when there's no water added.

I'm pretty sure adding water to something makes it considered watered down. If it's hydro nutes,and you're getting a liquid, and not an acid, it's watered down.

drolove said:
and its definitely NOT watered down. the stuff is pretty concentrated actually. been using from those gallons for the last 3 years and still have a little left. going to order some more real soon.
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drolove

drolove

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churchhaze said:
Of course it is. It's a solid when there's no water added.

I'm pretty sure adding water to something makes it considered watered down. If it's hydro nutes,and you're getting a liquid, and not an acid, it's watered down.
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facepalm.
 
hammco2

hammco2

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Very well said ! there are a lot of assholes on here that think the world revolves around a big ball of themselves. Every grow rooms different what I use may not give you the results in your room as I get in mine. Been growing for abot 15/16 years, What your looking for in simplicity I have run alot of different nutrients over the years . advanced bio GH heavy 16 we use a powder now from hydropontic Research Veg+Bloom one part powder He has some additives +life +size then finish withe kool bloom powder starting new jorurnal running full set Jack herer
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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listmann said:
Thx guys. Idunno how to like posts or i would!

ttystik: I am no chemist and nutes are one of the lowest costs on my grow as it is so saving a few bucks is not in my top priority.
I do want a proven formula developed and perfected by numerous growers and experts over many years i believe thats worth paying a few bucks for :)

I was even thinking of going Organic but then it's still gonna have to be a proven formula like biobizz you will NOT se me mixing me own manure and brewing my own compost tea that's just NOT gonna happen i live in the city and i do have a job :-D

I DO prefer three part as it does give me more control though.

Besides i am far from sure what the economy would be in dry ferts as i know of no european dealers. Well ofcourse there alotta shit for horgriculture but it will allways be pre mixed in formulas designed for everything else than our girls. Like the ones you mentioned, there is NO part of my plants life in wich i need to add a formula of NPK: 5-12-26???

The "needing europe dealers" is also an issue on wich brand i can trust AND get my hands on.

GHE i don't trust simce they sold me a slicate product that did not contain what the claimed it did upon some investigation. (It was a silicate powder product and they said it was water soluble.)
But it doesnt take a chemist to find that the SI04 in the product is NOT water soluble :-/ SI02 is soluble silicate.

So now i had to clean out my whole freakin hydroponic system from unsolvable dust clogging the system
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My point is that the plants need the same chemicals, no matter what sexy label is on the bottle or bag.

Dry nutrient salts for hydroponics aren't a new idea and most commercial greenhouse use them- including plenty growing our favorite plant right here in Colorado- one of the most competitive and discriminating markets anywhere. There is no way it isn't available in Europe, just look for wholesale greenhouse suppliers.

FYI, the 5-11-26 hydro mix is not designed to be used by itself, but rather in conjunction with calcium nitrate, another nutrient salt, and epsom salt- a hydrate crystal containing water soluble forms of magnesium and sulfur. As it happens, these are the salts used in 'cal-mag' concoctions- for which the less knowledgeable are heavily fleeced, paying dozens of times more than the base salts cost.

The dry salts are far more stable in storage- if you keep them dry.

Since that's three parts, one can then customize ratios to correct for deficiencies, satisfy strain specific needs and dial in for veg, early bloom and peak flower.

I've found that growers get better results from spraying a solution of soluble silica on the plants foliar style than trying to get them to take it up through the roots. Not only does this make it available to the plant, but the naturally high pH acts as a preventative for powdery mildew and similar acting pathogens.

Whatever you use, let us know how it works out for you!
 
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Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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listmann said:
Seems the verdict is in :) Botanicare!
Now to find a european dealership! Hoping for the best

(I did hear and noted the other suggestions and looked into them thank you all for your opinion! :) i got a few failsafes ;)
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I also have wasted a shit load of money on nutes, although it took years and was needed to learn.
Techniflora BC Products, are what I settled on. Paid the bucks for all of them, H&G, Advanced, FF, to name a few
I use BC products and use 3 bottles for everything. 1 for Veg, 1 for Bloom and 1 Boost that you use for both phases. Add in Advanced Big Blossom at flowering, and you have the best out there for cost and performance. You should try it for 1 cycle, you will not be disappointed, I guarantee that.
 
listmann

listmann

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ttystikk said:
My point is that the plants need the same chemicals, no matter what sexy label is on the bottle or bag.

Dry nutrient salts for hydroponics aren't a new idea and most commercial greenhouse use them- including plenty growing our favorite plant right here in Colorado- one of the most competitive and discriminating markets anywhere. There is no way it isn't available in Europe, just look for wholesale greenhouse suppliers.

FYI, the 5-11-26 hydro mix is not designed to be used by itself, but rather in conjunction with calcium nitrate, another nutrient salt, and epsom salt- a hydrate crystal containing water soluble forms of magnesium and sulfur. As it happens, these are the salts used in 'cal-mag' concoctions- for which the less knowledgeable are heavily fleeced, paying dozens of times more than the base salts cost.

The dry salts are far more stable in storage- if you keep them dry.

Since that's three parts, one can then customize ratios to correct for deficiencies, satisfy strain specific needs and dial in for veg, early bloom and peak flower.

I've found that growers get better results from spraying a solution of soluble silica on the plants foliar style than trying to get them to take it up through the roots. Not only does this make it available to the plant, but the naturally high pH acts as a preventative for powdery mildew and similar acting pathogens.

Whatever you use, let us know how it works out for you!
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Well put mate :)
But i did look into going powder possibilty a long time ago and decided that wasn't something i wanted to try at this stage. Maybe someday. But ye its true the availability just isn't there where i come from. I will get only pre mixed powders for all sorts of other purposes, i looked more than once considering that possibility myself. I think the problem is the fact that powder fertilisers containing ammonium nitrate makes a great bomb :fire: so its not public awailable.

Like i said before i DO agree with everything you said. But even if the powder ferts were readily available i'd prolly still wanna pay the few bucks more for a good formula.

I do foliar feed quite alot, using silica as one of the foliar applications ;)

And lastly, the admin that erased my reply to the troll above?? Wtf? HE can talk shit but i can't reply???
 
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