Nuke Russia

Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
One big reason why Russia's GDP is so far behind is because of America's meddling in their economy and politics.

In fact, it's the biggest reason.

Maybe they're arming themselves because they're tired of it.

You clearly have trouble thinking outside the flickering box that beams nationalist propaganda into your head so I thought I'd help you out.
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OK well, yeah, if the US is the aggressor then you'd have a point.

Ukraine, Georgia and Lithuania might disagree about who is the aggressor.

Surely you don't hold Russia harmless in Syria, do you? I mean, Assad? Assad would be just a bad memory were it not for Russia propping him up. Also his use of chemical weapons is endorsed by Putin.

You do remember the cold war, don't you? Russian economy is due to how that ended. Surely you don't cry over the collapse of the Soviet Union, do you?
 
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ttystikk

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Stu1888 said:
Selling arms and using them is big business for the rich and elite, wait a minute they are both the same, cant be the elite and be poor lol

All politicians, or 99% are sociopathic and only care about themselves and where their bunker is, I am in the UK well Scotland, still part of the UK for now, lol and our politicians are as corrupted as any, as the late great George Carlin said if u don't vote u and u alone can moan about these war mongering clowns lol
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That would be the one point where I disagree with George Carlin, the Great Electron rest his soul.

Not being involved and not voting means that you're abdicating your responsibility to get involved and make the system better.

Screaming to get money out of politics and bought off politicians out of power is the way forward, self imposed voter suppression is not.
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
I understand why you hate Progressives so much; you're a Republican in drag and you want to keep control of the opposition.
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I like progressives just fine. You, on the other hand ramble on about Bernie who has made zero progress in his 17 years in DC. He's not a progressive and neither are you. The only way Democrats will wrest control of Congress and eventually the WH is if candidates strive to represent Democratic Party policies in ways that the people of their districts want.

Bernie's Universal Health Care Plan, for example is poison to any Democrat running in a conservative district. Scott Lamb, who wrested control of a dark red district -- he didn't fawn over Bernie's healthcare plan as you demand from all Democrats -- he knew that was a loser. Lamb ran on the policy of supporting the ACA. Scott Lamb is a progressive. Like me, he endorses policies that will further progress.

The ACA is hated by you and Bernie. Just saying that Berners are an obstacle, not a help in the battle to wrest control of the government from radical right wing GOP governance. You should stick to calling yourself and the Berner movement "the left" and leave it at that.

Also, why the fuck to you love Putin so much?
 
Stu1888

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ttystikk said:
That would be the one point where I disagree with George Carlin, the Great Electron rest his soul.

Not being involved and not voting means that you're abdicating your responsibility to get involved and make the system better.

Screaming to get money out of politics and bought off politicians out of power is the way forward, self imposed voter suppression is not.
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No I do agree, but they have fucked up the idea of democracy so badly that, I personally have gave up,
We have no power or say in anything in political or any other part of our life. They go to war, without asking the people that have to fight, they increase there wages, while reducing ours, pass laws and steal public industry and have fingers in every pie, don't trust them and think they, not all mind, are out to look after themselves
 
SB85

SB85

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There is no real way to get out of debt being as each note printed adds to the amount
 
trippnface

trippnface

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Fogdog said:
The dollar doesn't represent debt.
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When backed by nothing it does.

Why do you think we are 20 trilllion ***dollars*** in debt. That is money we printed that we never had... but now the average joe gets to pay it back, with actual profit.

Welcome to America
 
greg nr

greg nr

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Dollars aren't debt. You could get a billion of them together and drive to the treasury and get exactly nothing for them. They are legal tender, but not debt.

Treasury bills are debt. Federal Reserve auctions create debt. Printing cash doesn't. It may eventually devalue the currency in the eyes of traders and banks, but it doesn't create debt.
 
trippnface

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greg nr said:
Dollars aren't debt. You could get a billion of them together and drive to the treasury and get exactly nothing for them. They are legal tender, but not debt.

Treasury bills are debt. Federal Reserve auctions create debt. Printing cash doesn't. It may eventually devalue the currency in the eyes of traders and banks, but it doesn't create debt.
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Regular dollars backed by a Gold Standard are not debt. American dollars backed by literally nothing, are most certainly debt. You cannot create profit out of thin air, and that is what the FED has been doing since the early 1900's. Fiat Currency is inherently criminal.

Inflation, Hyperinflation, " Quantatative easing", All mean the same thing: The Federal Reserve has printed more dollars than the United States has money to back it. That most definitely means as long as we are in debt, every dollar printed is a dollar of debt.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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trippnface said:
Regular dollars backed by a Gold Standard are not debt. American dollars backed by literally nothing, are most certainly debt. You cannot create profit out of thin air, and that is what the FED has been doing since the early 1900's. Fiat Currency is inherently criminal.

Inflation, Hyperinflation, " Quantatative easing", All mean the same thing: The Federal Reserve has printed more dollars than the United States has money to back it. That most definitely means as long as we are in debt, every dollar printed is a dollar of debt.
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staggering level of ignorance. Not surprising coming from a Russian.
 
potroastV2

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Fogdog said:
staggering level of ignorance. Not surprising coming from a Russian.
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I'll say that too! With this guy, it does not matter what you say, he will assertively blather on. He says he's young, and I've been calling him on it. He certainly sounds like a russian troll. He posts nothing but misinformation that he got somewhere else, because we know he is incapable of inventing it.

One thing I learned when I was in my early 20's is that everyone that is older than I am is wiser than me. Because I realize that, I've always listened intently to my elders. I also think that trait is learned by everyone at their own speed, and some may never learn it. However, learning to listen to others is one of the steps to actual maturity.

Evidently, trippnface is still taking baby steps. :lol:


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