'Not Guilty' Shirt Gets Student Banned From Graduation

medicineman said:

TBT says:
I got lucky... the more and more I see the luckier I believe I am to have graduated in 2001 instead of any later.

Gesus-H Christ. You school me on politics and life and you are just a baby.

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Is that a bad thing? They do say you can teach an old dog new tricks.

Wisdom usually comes with age. There are exceptions and Med Man and TBT are two of those. That leaves the short end of the stick with med man, but I'm sure no one is surprised by that.

medicineman said:

TBT says:
I got lucky... the more and more I see the luckier I believe I am to have graduated in 2001 instead of any later.

Gesus-H Christ. You school me on politics and life and you are just a baby. Grow up a little and get back to me. Maybe after you face some of the hardships of life you may soften your views, then again, sensing a canyon of un-intelligence bouncing around in your frame of mind, maybe not. You are only 26-28 years old. Just what the fuck do you know anyway.

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It's not my fault you're a hypocrite, Enslaver.

Typical. Kid fought the law. Law won.
What a surprize.

gabb said:

Typical. Kid fought the law. Law won.
What a surprize.

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Well you know, maybe its just my GL, but I had a situation where I fought the law and I won. Of course it wasn't that much, just a small (very small <$10K) out of court settlement. But I still won (or at least got Torrance County, NM to admit to wrong doing.)

The kids guilt was never in question....

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me." (That's what we used to say in our day)
Ok... This boy and this girl threw words carelessly at each other (charges were completely verbal, no violence involved). Feelings were hurt on both ends, its true, but only because all these kids did care about each other.
The involvement of the school and police, however, caused irreputable harm (quite different) relating to permanent records, once in a lifetime, well deserved opportunities lost, missed college exams (due to court appearences and legal appointments), loss of income due to absense from employment, and loss of friends on both sides because mutual friends were forced to either support one of their friends (whichever one they felt had been damaged the most) or stop being friends with either of them because they either couldn't make up their mind or didn't have the time or energy for the drama that had been created.
Kids make friends in school, sometimes they argue, just as siblings, parents, and co-workers do on occasion.
The school and the police "took sides". I would like to think that in the peer mediation counseling handbook "taking sides" wouldn't be listed as resolution step #1.
I believe that kids on both sides of this case have been victimized, but not so much by each other as by the lack of proper response by the school and police. Chances are good that the kids would have become friends again.
"Make new friends but keep the old. One is silver, the other is gold."

I don't understand why this is even a police issue.They argued.No blows were exchanged.How about the parents tell them to leave each other alone, and law enforcement goes and chases after some real criminals?How about the judge focuses on a real case instead of a frivolous issue like this? Correct me if I missed something, but I just don't see where this was a big deal at all.

TheBrutalTruth said:

One of the planks of Tyranny (Socialism/Communism/Fascism) is State Control of the Education System.

I never said anything about closing privately ran schools, just the publicly ran ones. And letting people choose whether or not they wish to attend.

I'm in favor of school vouchers, let the best ones win.

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if it's part of our system it's part of capitalism to, or are we now socialists?

if it's part of all those then it's not worth mentioning, huh?

TreesOfLife said:

Is that a bad thing? They do say you can teach an old dog new tricks.

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no, they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

There is something missing in the story Stoney......... look at the time line.

Boy/Girl have fight over limo (verbal).
Judge dismisses harassment charges if he stays away from girl for 30 days
Boy(s) bring in T shirts
Boy suspended from commencement

What's missing is the piece of juicy stuff between the verbal fight and the real harassment charge. Something else happened after that argument that led to harassment charges.

That or the author screwed up the time line.

Read all this old thread. Who knows why the cops were called in the first place, it looks like this school likes to overreact though.

But the judge basically threw it out when he asked the kid to agree to stay away from her for 30 days. Basically a 'wtf am I doing even listening to this crap of a case'. The kid was charged with harassment and suspended.

Then the kid pushed the issue again with the shirts, and the school said you can't walk. So what? Kid is an honors student, he will get another chance in college to walk, and it is boring as hell anyway.

So now it is back in court wasting OUR tax dollars because he wants to prove a point? Screw that his parents need to sit his ass down and say drop it you were an idiot, and all this is caused because you cannot deal with being dumped.... Wait! It wasn't even his girlfriend they called her his prom date. So this fool is going through all this for being a prick and losing his prom date.

Yeah, like I said, I musta missed something.With the info provided, though...it doesn't seem like a big deal.

CrackerJax said:

There is something missing in the story Stoney......... look at the time line.

Boy/Girl have fight over limo (verbal).
Judge dismisses harassment charges if he stays away from girl for 30 days
Boy(s) bring in T shirts
Boy suspended from commencement

What's missing is the piece of juicy stuff between the verbal fight and the real harassment charge. Something else happened after that argument that led to harassment charges.

That or the author screwed up the time line.

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It's the argument that got him suspended in the first place. Argument being open to a wide interpretation. It was enough for the police to be called by someone. The Tshirts are a side issue

Yeah they can stop your walking for whatever they want almost. I was almost held out of it and I was the class president.

I'm guessing...guessing...that the argument happened on school grounds. Someone called the cops (siren)....

Perhaps "emotional meltdown" might have been more accurate than "argument".

We just don't know, but it was enough for the authorities to be called in.

Speaking from personal experience...schools tend to overreact.

CrackerJax said:

I'm guessing...guessing...that the argument happened on school grounds. Someone called the cops (siren)....

Perhaps "emotional meltdown" might have been more accurate than "argument".

We just don't know, but it was enough for the authorities to be called in.

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Absolutely...... I concur. However, after the judge dismisses it and told them to stay away..... they show up with T shirts the next day....not smart.

I don't think they really harassed that girl now that I've worked the time lines out. They pissed off the school when they came back and thumbed their noses at them....not at the girl...but at the school. The school was saving face.

TheBrutalTruth said:

I got lucky... the more and more I see the luckier I believe I am to have graduated in 2001 instead of any later.

As far as schools not teaching anything, I believe it. I've learned more on my own than anywhere else. Teachers' are just overpaid babysitters, and that's the problem with the public school system, and truancy laws. If people don't want to be there, they should be allowed to leave. This industrialized model of education is backwards and ignores the difference in individuals and their learning abilities and thus is self-defeating.

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As a blanket statement, I would disagree.

Some schools are glorified baby-sitting programs, but there are public schools that are quite excellent at producing free-thinking individuals. There are many - perhaps not the majority, but there are many.

And I know of many private schools that are simply excellent as well. I went to a Jesuit high school and before I decided to go there, I figured it would be a catholic brainwashing, but it wasn't. The main theme while I was there seemed to revolve around non-conformism and free thought. We were taught philosophy, literature, classics, etc.... It truly inspired me. In fact, my parents were pissed because I entered college knowing I wanted philosophy to be one of my majors. I was empowered, inspired, and educated.

And as a side note (and I say this knowing you're not a complete Bush fanatic), the worst hit education took in the last 50 years and probably the main impetus behind the shitty nature of public education is Bush's 'No Child Left Behind Policy'. Who would ever tailor education to the WORST students!?

I really wish someone wouldnt have threatened TBT. As much as we had some good back and forth, he always had some good points to make.


If the person that threatened him reads this, you are an asshole... And I am not worried about you trying to find me.