Northern Lights X BB auto & Speed Devil auto

Cloudz2600

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So here’s my setup:
5x5 walk in closet
1 - 42w 6500k CFL(2800 lumens)
4 - 26w 2700k CFL(1750 lumens)
2 – 10.5” Light Clamps (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bayco-10.5-Brooder-Clamp-Light/14003468)
2 – Y-splitters and extenders
1 – Old fan I “borrowed” from my dormmate
Jack’s Dynamic Duo
Fox farm ocean forest
2 – 1.5 gallon pots.
I have a 30 gallon Sterlite tub that I *can* use, but seeing as space isn’t an issue I might not use it. The entire room isn’t dedicated to growing, I actually do use it as a closet and I don’t really have the tools to be able to hang lights every which way. That being said this is going to be a 2 plant grow. My first grow I used bag seed and they ended up getting to a decent size, but when I sexed them they turned out to be both male. :cry:
So on 4/20 I ordered Northern Lights x Big Bud auto and Speed Devil auto and got all the other specials (UFO, barney’s freebies) that came with the order.
Few questions before I start:
With autoflowers usually finishing veg in 3 weeks and FFOF having enough nutes for the first 3 weeks should I just use the bloom nutes at ½ strength after 3 weeks has passed? First time using nutes.
Will 1 6500k CFL be good enough? My other 6500k I was using blew and I didn’t want to buy another if I didn’t have to.

TL;DR - first post and second grow.
 

Cloudz2600

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Day 1: Last night I germinated the seeds in thermal cups I had and this morning I saw that the seeds had sunk to the bottom. Put both seeds in styrofoam cups I had cut in half.
 

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Day 2: Nothing yet, I saw the tap roots when I put the seeds in, so I guess it's just a matter of waiting.
I read somewhere that seedlings like more humidity so I cut out some clear plastic bags I had(couldn't find my zip-lock for the life of me) and covered the plastic cups
 

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Day 3: So I woke and got a nice surprise when I checked on the plants. Sadly the Speed Devil hasn't sprouted, but it's only been a few days.
In the event the speed devil doesn't pop I'll try growing the Blue Mammoth since that's supposed to be a new strain or w/e.
 

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Cloudz2600

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Minor update, I was just using 3 lights on top of the sterlite tub in my room. Today I finally got all my stuff unpacked and moved the setup into my closet. Yes, i know the qualms about foil. If the grow goes pretty well I'll replace it with Mylar. While I was unpacking my second 42w 6500k CFL broke apparently. So tomorrow I'm going to the store to pick up 2 of em. Also the speed rider still hasn't popped and I'm thinking what I saw may not of been the taproot. So as promised I started germinated the Blue Mammoth. This time I'll wait till I see a taproot at least 1/2". If the speed devil decides to pop I'll just run a 3 plant grow.

EDIT: Forgot to mention I just happen to be growing mint. Until the cannabis plants get a little larger I don't see any reason to remove the mint just yet.
 

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Day 4: Nothing new, NL seedling is a bit bigger, no development on the Speed Devil. I did however, go to my local shop and pick up 2 42w CFLs and got 1 free. So I got 2 6500k and 1 2700k. I want to have 1 26w and 1 42w in each reflector and then have the additional 42w 2700k in the smaller black reflector. It said do not put anything higher than a 60w Incandescent or a 13w CFL. Found that kinda odd since isn't wattage the only reason something would overheat/explode. Would it be ok to use the 42w in that reflector or should I just stick with the 26w I have? Also anyone have experience(good or bad) with Feit CFLs?

EDIT: Any tips on fan placement? In the post above you can see its hanging(it's secure) across from the tub. Is there a better place for it or is the tub just in the way and I should get rid of it? Tbh besides the "reflectitivity" of the foil and only other reason I like using the tub is because it keeps everything in an organized space.
 

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Cloudz2600

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Day 5: NL seedling is stretching a little bit. I'll probably transfer it out of the small cup in a few days if it continues at this pace. Kinda disappointed about the "Speed" Devil. I used the towel method on the Blue Mammoth, as opposed to the cup method I used on the NL and SD. I checked it today and the taproot is maybe a cm long(eyeballing it). One more day and I'll put it in a cup. My A/C is having some trouble so maintenance is looking at it. It's about 80 in my room and probably 80-85 in the closet. Having the fan turned on max really does help. I think the tub *may* be getting in the way of good air flow. If this A/C thing doesn't get sorted out pretty soon I'll just ditch it and have the fan blowing from below the plants. Thanks for answering all my questions guys ^_^...oh wait.
 

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Day 6: Meh couldn't sleep, got high instead. In my infinite wisdom I decided now would be a good time to plant the Blue Mammoth. The seedling looked decently long, it was at least a cm. Completely forgot to talk pictures of it. Couldn't find a non clear plastic container to use for the seed so I just covered this one with tape. I read on one of the stickies that you should keep the germinated seeds in shade until they develop cotyledons. so I moved my non-sprouted Speed Devil and the Blue Mammoth behind the cover to the tub. Never actually heard about the shade thing past germination, but I'm not exactly a pro at this lol. I guess I'll add an updated pic of the Northern Lights too.

Oh also, I was looking around some lighting threads and I thought up a way I can use 1 more light. As of right now I'm just using it for my mint, but when the plants start taking off I'll obviously be using it for that. So instead of the 134 actual watts if need be I could go up to 204w. Not sure if you add lumens or not, but if you do I'll have a on paper maximum of 13,270 lumens ^_^ I'm actually going to call Feit today to see if I can get a free bulb for the one that lasted maybe 45 days so I may be looking at even more. Hopefully I'll actually need that many.

Energy usage is a minor concern, but how many watts do timers and surge protectors usually use by themselves?
 

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Cloudz2600

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Day 7: Northern Lights is growing a pretty decent pace. Still nothing on the Speed Devil. I'm going to keep it in the cup for one more week just in case it decides to pop. Nothing yet on the Blue Mammoth either, but it's only been a day(that sounds familiar). Looking at adding some co2 via the yeast method, only thing I need to buy is the actual yeast. I'll probably wait until at least the Blue Mammoth pops before I do that though. Seems funny that the most trouble I have is getting the seeds to properly germinate, last grow I didn't even germ the seeds and they all came out. Oh the A/C was fixed yesterday so all the temp has dropped about 7-8 degrees putting it around 75-80 now. I don't have an actual thermometer in the closet so I'm just adding 5-6 degrees to the temp outside it. Having trouble uploading a picture so I'll do it later today.

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Cloudz2600

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1 hour from Day 8: Good news! The Blue Mammoth showed her pretty little head in only two days. :lol: I went out and got some yeast like I planned and set up the extra co2 in a ginger ale bottle I had just finished the day before. Hopefully the holes I made with a tack aren't too small or I didn't make too many. As to how much this will help idk, but it can't hurt. I took the domes off the Northern Lights and Blue Mammoth.

EDIT: Found 1 more 1.36L bottle so I made another canister.
 

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Cloudz2600

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Day 9: I'm on last dealer bought bowl until this grow finishes lol. I added 1 more co2 canister. Need to get a temp gauge, I keep the door closed most of the day and it feels like it 78-80 degrees in there. I typically only open the door 2-3 times a day since I added the extra co2. Looks like the Speed Devil never did make it. Not such a big deal, selected it because it put me a 31 euro which was enough for the 420 event. Northern Lights sprouted its 2nd set of true leaves and the Blue Mammoth just sprouted its first set of true leaves.

I'm having trouble getting my lights lower without having the surge protector hanging in the air. I gotta get some pots for the first/final transplant so I may go ahead and get 3 gallon pots since I have plenty of room for the plants to grow and it will put the seedlings closer to the lights. Planned on getting 1.5gal pots.

The cup not on the stand is the Speed Devil. I keep forgetting to label the Blue Mammoth, I know I had that sticker that had its name on it somewhere.

Depending how much the Mylar e-blankets are at wal-mart(same place im getting the pots) I may scoop up some of those too.

Is there a better way to get co2 to the plants with the bottles? Putting them inside the box or having them behind the fan maybe? Oh yea for lulz I LST'd my mint.

EDIT: Oh yea I went ahead and added another 42w 6500k so the seedlings are getting hit with 2 of those and one 26w 2700k.
 

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Cloudz2600

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Went out and got some 1 gallon pots, wal-mart was being a pain about not drilling holes in these badly crafted pots so I just went ahead and bought what looked like a decent size and went to the automotive dept. and asked them to do it. If these guys rly start taking off before they get into flowering ill go buy a proper 3-5 gallon pot and use these 2 pots as my germination & seedling pots. Also went out and purchased a emergency blanket. I kind of don't feel like putting it in now because the plants are just seedlings and the CFLs are like an inch away so I'm not wasting a lot of light.

Maybe it's the light or maybe its the co2 but the Northern Lights is rly starting to grow. Gonna try my best not to give the girls too much love. Just water, rearrange lights as plants grow, add more co2.
Also as far as I know you aren't supposed to FIM, super crop, top, etc because the plant wouldn't have time to recover in vegetative due to it being an autoflower, but what about LST?
 

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Cloudz2600

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Day 10: Nothin new really. Read a really interesting thread about the yeast method - https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/343918-myth-busters-real-truth-co2-13.html I'll be changing from the method I was using before (2 cups of sugar, 2 cups of water, 1/4 tsp of yeast) to this method based on my actual room size. Went out and bought some Fleischmann's active dry yeast and some sugar for the coming weeks. There's a noticeable smell of fermentation in the closet. When's a good time to transplant from the cups? I'll probably fix up the e-blankets when I transplant. I looked around for a little bit(my google foo is admittedly weak), but I didn't find anybody else doing a grow journal of Blue Mammoth yet. Found a lot of people that bought em, but growing not so much.

The smaller one is the Blue Mammoth.
 

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Day 11: Just realized after reading a bit that the 1 gallon pots are probably too small for a final transplant so I'm thinking about going to Home Depot or Lowe's for a larger size. The only problem is all the pots in seeing online go my inches not gallons. Is there a way to convert so I know what size to get or is there a inch size I should be looking for? I'm looking for 3 gallons or so, I don't even think I have enough soil for 2x 5 gallons.
 

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Update: Called Lowe's and talked to the nursery "specialist." Said a 3 gallon pot would be about be labeled as a 9 1/2 inch pot. The two i bought from wal-mart are 8 inches. Assuming he's right and my math isn't completely off I'd say I have at least a 2 gallon pot. Which I think is ok for a grow this size. It's only $4.67, but that's $4.67(x2) that I don't have to spend. Not sure if I'll post pics today. Almost 500 views ^_^ and just me talking to myself lol.
 

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Really didn't plan on making 3 posts today, I'll try and keep it to 2 tops. Went ahead with the new co2 yeast method. I think the last formula called for 1/2 a tsp of yeast while this one calls for 2.4(12 grams). Also more water and sugar of course. I need to buy a hose or something so I can tell when the yeast has finished fermenting, although the formula tells me to change some of it out every day. Not sure where I would buy one though or what they're really called.

Watered the plants today, I'll update this in a bit when I take pictures. There's something brown on the Northern Lights, not sure if its been there but I tried to rub it off with a bit of water on my finger and it didn't rub off. Growth seems pretty good through, one set of leaves every 1 1/2 days. Read a bit more (it's never enough) and I think I'll wait a little while to transplant. Some threads say wait till I see it getting root bound. Only concern is me waiting too long is the plant might of gone into flowering. Hopefully near the end of next week (week 2 or so) the roots will have grown enough by then to warrant and transplant. Though I guess some people just drop the seed into the final pot too.

I know that Fox Farm has enough nutes in it to last at least 3 weeks. When I transplant I'm adding more FF. When I transplant do it need to consider the soil in there brand new and not 2-3 weeks old? I don't want to burn my plants if I use my Jack's if the soil still has it's own fertilizer still going.

Oh yea, I was looking at the Blue Mammoth on the Tude and saw it's on of the UFOs. Funny thing is the price for one UFO 7 euro less than a pack of 3. The pack of three happens to be "out of stock" though. Oh also either Attitude(+a few other sites) or Barney's has the genetics wrong.
 

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Day 12: Out of weed maaan, someone wanna mail me some? lol Anyway, I figure I'll set up the e-blankets today in the sterlite tub. It's only been 15 hours since my last post, so there's no new plant growth that's noticeable or anything. Tried spritzing the brown stuff off the leaf and it still didn't come off. Not so much worried as curious to what it is.

Oh yea I set up the new yeast method yesterday. Just by looking at it I'm getting less bubbles. Not sure if that's the yeast, just the way this formula works out or if fermentation hasn't really begun yet.

Update: Set up the e-blanket in the tub. Was beyond frustrating getting it to cut. Left picture is without flash, right picture is with flash.
 

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Lady.J

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Hey, I'm surprised no one has really commented like that, but I'm subbed and you can be sure to hear my mouth :P. I'm glad that you continued on despite not have many responses. That Co2 article you linked is very very interesting. You have given me cause for experimentation! It's great that you replaced that foil. I saw on some documentary or another that foil is one of the worst reflectors because it reflects light at oblique angles. The emergency blanket solution should be much better. Even though your plants are little, good reflection will contribute greatly to their growth. Not to mention you need really good reflection since using CFLs.

That brown stuff on the leaf looks really odd...have no clue what that is (I am a noob!). Usually discoloration means some kind of deficiency I believe. I have heard that having too much phosphorus can cause deficiencies of other minerals. If you already have nutes in the soil, should hold off giving nutes until they are 2 weeks old at the least (some guides say to wait until the baby cotyledon leaves come off).

Think it's a good idea to hold off on transplant like you said. This is a really sensitive time for plants, at least wait until they are out of the seedling stage and into the vegetative stage.
 

Cloudz2600

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Yea scroglodyte said it might be a nute burn. Which makes sense since FFOF is kind of nute heavy for seedlings. I doubt its a deficiency this early in the plants life. I'm just going to wait till it's in flowering(week 3-4) and even then I'll only use a 1/2 strength which is 1/8 tsp. Glad to have another view point ^_^

What's considered the start of the vegetative state?
 
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