Noobs: If you fail to plan... plan to fail!

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Far, FAR too many noobs decide to grow weed, plant seeds and then go build the grow op. As a bit of an afterthought, these same noobs will then skim over a grow guide and have some coarse idea of how cannabis grows, perhaps have a vague idea of what a plant in veg and flower might be.

No.

Nononononono.

Please don't do this. It's like blowing half-dozen bonghits and then going out looking for the party.

There's lots of knowledgeable ppl around this board, but if you do try to grow without first acquiring basic cannabis plant knowledge, planning the scale of your op and building the physical op facilities- BEFORE you even THINK about dampening a seed, you make the catch-up work for your mentor/s MUCH harder.

If you're going to grow, you may as well grow as much as you can smoke. Micro grows are certainly possible but a 1-2 plant closet or cabinet grow just won't make much weed, even if you're using the highest performance lighting and watering system available.

Noobs should plan on 1/4-1/2 oz per plant. Experienced growers will get 3/4-1oz per plant in a SoG operation. If you smoke 1/4oz a week, noob growers would need to harvest 1-2 plants a week or 2-4 plants every 2 weeks in a 2-week rotation style SoG op. It's up to you to then decide how many plants you'll need to grow to suit your smoking needs. When you know how many plants you need to grow, plan on giving each plant an 8-12" circle to live in. SoG style growing means pruning off all branches on the lower 1/3 of the plant, leaving only the mainstem with a big fat top cola and some nice golfball sized buds on the mainstem itself. The lower branches produce only small, wispy buds and restrict airflow around the plant, crowding other plants, so you may as well not grow that part of the plant at all. For the SOG style of plant, an 8-12" circle is plenty. Plan on around 40-50 watts of HPS light per square foot of flowering space.

Minimum requirements for a functional grow op (one that will yield enough to be worth doing, i.e. at least an oz or two every cpl weeks) include a clonebox, a mother plant vegging area and a flowering area. You can keep as little as one mother, but more mothers is an insurance policy. I keep 6-8 mothers to provide 30 cuttings every 2 weeks. Divide up your available space accordingly and work out how you're going to keep light from the clone and mother areas from interrupting the 12 hour dark period of the flowering plants.

The next consideration is the location of the op. You need to be able to ventilate the space- and that does NOT mean leaving a closet door open part of the day. We're talking about intake and exhaust fans with appropriate ducting to avoid recycling 'used' air back into the op. If you can't install proper ventilation, you will have high air temps and high humidity- which will give you low yields and other problems such as powdery mildew which can simply kill the plants outright.

The space needs to have enough airflow to both remove heat from the lighting, moisture in the air put there by the plants and provide adequate CO2 for the plants. This means a ventilation system that will exchange the entire volume of the room air in about 3-5 mins max. Work out your room volume by multiplying room length x width x height and then go shopping for exhaust fans based on that figure. A 1000 cubic foot room needs a 200 CFM (cubic foot/min) exhaust fan. If you can't ventilate the space, you can't grow in it.

The floor needs either to be a durable surface like concrete or tile or must be protected against water leaks and spills. An old waterbed liner under your grow will do OK if there's no holes in it.

Grow room fires are usually caused by stupidly overloading electric circuits or using cheap power outlet strips on high-current devices. KNOW how many watts you're drawing and how many you can safely draw from each circuit. LEARN how to calculate watts from your line voltage and the amount of current (in Amps) your gear will use. (watts = volts * amps). Smart growers only use 80% of a circuit's capacity (i.e. 8 amps on a 10 amp ckt)

If you're going to do hydro, you MUST have a nutrient meter (measures nute strength in ppm, CF or EC) and a pH meter. You get what you pay for. Cheap meters don't last long and are often inaccurate. I use the "Truncheon" nute meter and Eutech brand pH meters, both which last many years with no worries.

Don't fear hydro. If you can follow some basic procedures, hydro is more reliable than potting soil and will ALWAYS yield more. For my hydro media, I use rockwool in pots. It's cheap, lightweight, sterile and easy to dispose of. Soil weighs 10x more than rockwool. If you're growing a number of plants, the amount of soil you need quickly becomes cumbersome.

You MUST have a good thermometer/hygrometer in your growspaces. Digital thermo/hygros with peak memories are very cheap these days- and you will KNOW what goes on in the room.

You don't need recirculating plumbing to do hydro- you can use a wick system, which just has a bit of rope leading from the bottom of your plant's pot into a tank of nute solution. The water & nutes wick up the rope & wet the media as the plant removes the water. However, recirculating systems like flood/drain (aka ebb/flow) and drip system can carry more dissolved oxygen to the plant's roots. Aero and NFT systems are better yet. I use a flood system because there's no drippers or sprayers to clog with dried nute salts.

A grow op must be designed to maintain certain environmental conditions (24-27 deg C @ 30-50% humidity), but it also conceals your op. It must not permit any light leakage and it must not attract attention with scent or noises. Scent control is best done with big blower fans and carbon filters or UV ionisers. Ionisers are expensive to buy but run for years with no maintenance. In addition to killing scents, they also kill mould spores in grow room air. Don't put your op in a place where you can be seen entering and leaving if you can avoid it. If neighbours can see you coming and going, they will notice you eventually. Know them as well as they know you and go in/out when they're not around or automate your op so you need not go in every day.

Do your homework before posting queries:

  • KNOW how the cannabis plant grows with regard to cuttings and how light cycle affects veg & flower modes.
  • KNOW the temperature and humidity figures you need to provide to the plant. You should run a freshly built op with no plants in it for a week or so and see how it does with noise, temps, etc.
  • KNOW that your proposed location meets the basic physical requirements for power, ventilation and temp control, security and accessibility.
  • BUY the basic equipment- especially good metering gear- and have it ready to go before you sprout anything.
  • Have a GOOD idea of how many plants you need to grow and build your space to suit. It's easier to overbuild now and grow a smaller number of plants than will fill the space than to try to expand an op later.
Yes- setting up a COMPETENT grow op (not some silly goofaround thing) requires a little investment, but it'll pay you back many, many times over. Avoid the temptation to buy "packages" from hydro shops- you will spend several times as much as you would if you take the time to learn what is needed and buy things to suit from other vendors. 95% of what you need for a grow op can be had at hardware and aquarium shops.

Now go to it!
 

Bigbud

Well-Known Member
Good read AI...

Though one thing I would change would be noobs to inexperanced growers as no one like being a called a noob
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
Thanks, Shaman. I might ask for this one to be made sticky for a bit.

Good read AI...

Though one thing I would change would be noobs to inexperanced growers as no one like being a called a noob
BB, I mean no offence. There's a big difference between inexperience and inability to learn- and nowhere did I say 'noobs are stupid.'

There's absolutely no sin in being a noob grower. It's totally OK to be a noob! In fact, there's a lot worse to be encountered by those who really are noobs but who think they're w33d b4R0nz.

Everyone is a noob once. It's much better to know you're a noob and learn how to find and apply good information than to think you know what's going on or try to guess your way through using old wives' tales and rumours.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
I really intended this bit to be only a very rough guide- I didn't discuss some things in the level of detail that one really needs to consider before launching into a grow op.

One that I really should have mentioned is about practical security. Partners in a grow op almost always cause grief. Do It Yourself. If you're growing more than you have time to manage by yourself in terms of maintenance and harvesting, grow less. A one-wo/man-band has only one source to leak info and no-one to disagree with over growing methods.
 

TheConstantGardner

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How many people do you think come here and would read this before actually germinating a seed? I know I started mine with a 60 watt incandescent as my light source and in a coffee mug full of soil that had been home to a peace lily for 5 years . I've made every mistake possible in my journey, but through hours and hours of research here, I've built quite a nice (but relatively small) grow room which I plan to use to FIM and ScoG 10 ladies after my current grow is harvested. That's right, I screwed the pooch on so many aspects of my current grow, but I think I should get 1-2 ounces off the two girls that survived my abuse. It may not be true for everybody, but I learn more from my own mistakes. It also helps that every time I turn around I'm finding valuable info here that reveals my mistakes.
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
How many people do you think come here and would read this before actually germinating a seed?
Good point! :lol:

I learn more from my own mistakes. It also helps that every time I turn around I'm finding valuable info here that reveals my mistakes.
Thing is, if a noob really takes the time to fully use all the resources available around here (incl the FAQ) BEFORE setting out to grow, they'll have success the first time- and be high on their own supply just that much sooner.

I agree that the trial & error means teaches you some troubleshooting skills, allowing you to learn to solve probs on your own, but if you just bang everything within the bell-curve of the right parameters, it'll most likely grow you some weed. If you nail everything perfectly, it's the difference between growing grapes and making fine wine.
 

midgradeindasouth

Well-Known Member
Nice thread Al.
I agree things like this should be brought to newbs attention up front.
There is alot one should consider and figure out before they start growing.
As I said in a prior post. --If you do not know something teach it.--
 

cali-high

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yeah AL everyone gots to start somewhere.

and i dont like for SOG method!!!!

lol jkjk

im just playing but if your a cutter like me...i mean a topper then you can exspect 3-4 oz per plant because if you top a plant twice then you will have 8 big colas instead of 1 huge one. you will also get around 15grams per cola if you top.

the sog method is atleast a 64 plant op and some ppl here cant go that big. also some ppl here grow what they need.


i like your post al it show that you have alot of years in growing.

i seen your pics and im very impressed

great post!!


peace
cali-high


im a little high so sorry for the random of this post.

i love my big stone. taste so good!
 

Al B. Fuct

once had a dog named
im just playing but if your a cutter like me...i mean a topper then you can exspect 3-4 oz per plant because if you top a plant twice then you will have 8 big colas instead of 1 huge one. you will also get around 15grams per cola if you top.

the sog method is atleast a 64 plant op and some ppl here cant go that big. also some ppl here grow what they need.
Yep, too right- SoG per-plant yields are small, but so are the plants and you do grow lots more individuals in SoG.

Not the best arrangement if you have serious penalties for high plant counts where you live. However, if you mind your stealth, you shouldn't get bloody busted, anyway!!

Thanks for the compliments. :)
 

iwir3d

Well-Known Member
:leaf:iwir3d :leaf:

I completely agree that one should read before they decide to grow. I read for many weeks using google until I found this site. Some details were still vague but still. The best experience a noob, including myself, will learn is from first hand experience with either your own or someone else's plant they help with. I just happen to have people who smoke so much I have an unlimited seed supply. And work a job that brings in $180-250 a week with absolutely no bills to pay. So I can afford a pretty good setup once I can convince myself I can actually grow this plant.

:leaf:iwir3d :leaf:
 

beenthere donethat

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GREAT post, Al B...

The amount of info out there about growing this plant is staggering.

But it wasn't always so. When I planted my first seed *I* had all of the same questions and faced all of the same challenges and more. There was no Internet..no grow books...no high times...no nada. We grew 20 plants in "the woods"...damn near in the SHADE...and had no clue what we were doing. NONE. It NEVER budded....yet man...we thought we were pretty damn cool when we cut em and (gag) smoked em!

That was in 1971.

So I guess that's why *I* have a bit of a chip on my shoulder at times (vman has noted it). Times have changed...the info is there...yet....

do I have to say it?

Maybe the instructions need to be placed inside a video game? You know...something like an Ogre finds the magic seed in the treasure chest and has to kill 49 policeman who are surveilling the hydro store before he can get to the Ocean Forest soil and the hps light he needs to flower??

LOL.

Simply put..90% of the "questions" asked here are born of laziness and a lack of interest. Folks WANT to grow..but they have no idea HOW MUCH WORK IT TAKES to grow those buds in that 1/4 oz they smoke every week...etc.

All you have do is plant the seed, (grows best in mom's house) read high Times (I think I'll get some of this weed they sell in here instead of growing 'cus it takes too much time) a lot and dump on LOTS of snake oil potions and fertilizers on yer plants (using more is always better and will make them grow faster and be more potent)...and BAM...you'll be in the dank for the rest of yer life!

right?

For the "olders" to take the time to answer ANY questions here is amazing and something I don't think is appreciated enough. The amount of MISINFORMATION spread and believed here is staggering...

READ. READ. READ. I only wish we had the same resources to tap when I was starting out. Talk about TRIAL AND ERROR!

again...GREAT post. Now if the fuggers only read it. Oh well...
 

TheConstantGardner

Well-Known Member
Thing is, if a noob really takes the time to fully use all the resources available around here (incl the FAQ) BEFORE setting out to grow, they'll have success the first time- and be high on their own supply just that much sooner.

I agree that the trial & error means teaches you some troubleshooting skills, allowing you to learn to solve probs on your own, but if you just bang everything within the bell-curve of the right parameters, it'll most likely grow you some weed. If you nail everything perfectly, it's the difference between growing grapes and making fine wine.
I know that's right. I'm sure my yield would be twice as large had I come here first. I'm really looking forward to next grow being armed with what I've learned here.
 

abudsmoker

Well-Known Member
a lazy gardner has small fruits, the more love you put in the better the relationship gets

You know WOMEN give them plenty of time to get ready. Dont hurry it. the #1 thing i see here is 6 week harvest. i cut her down..... three weeks later you would have DANK.
 

cali-high

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i cut my big stone down week 6...

theyre only supposed to go 7-9 wks and 1/3 of the triscolmes were turning amber and i cut it and i got the ourfect high out of my plant just what i wanted.

and you dont always go to the max time they tell you to sometimes plants are ready early
 

beenthere donethat

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cali-high...how old were the Big Stone plants in yer gallery when the pic was taken?

nice.

I've never taken a plant that early that wasn't hermin'. As a med patient, I let mine go the full /suggested time and then flush for a week..maybe more. It all depends on what the trichs on each plant looks like.

good luck

bt dt

good luck

bt dt
 

cali-high

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they were 6 months old. they were free seeds from the company so i gave em a test run to see how they look when they get big to see if i wanted to grow em again.

and i gave em a B+ the buds were fluffy but that was only bcasue they were root bound a little.

thanks for the little review BTDT :)


i thought they looks awsome and had a great smell/smoke

i cut em down when they were 4.5 ft
 
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