No pest strips in living space

oxalylchloride

New Member
Ok so i live in bassicaly a 1 room cabin and grow in a tent in my living space. I have spider mites and have come to the conclusion that no pest strips would be the quickest way to kill them.

I was thinking that i would hang one in my tent and seal the tent up and turn off my ventillation and leave the house for 6 hours. Then i would come home remove the strip from my house and turn on the fan and exhaust all the tent air outside thru my door. Then let the house air out for a hour or whatever. Maybe repeat this for a few days.

Queations for people that use NPS (chemphobes fuck off):

Does this sound reasonable? Will 6 hours a day repeated for 4 or 5 days in a 4x4 tent be enough? Assuming i can keep temps under control, its ok to use the strips when lights are on correct?
 

shloppyjoe

Well-Known Member
Don't waste time with those damn mites! Clean with bleach everything in the tent and out/around. Get two pest strips. Put on at the top of the tent and one at the bottom. Leave the ventilation running so you don't have to leave unless it vents back into your home. If not I just leave my ventilation, fans and ac on and I put 1 strip for every 4 sq ft. They really work. I left them in from week 4 until harvest. I had my buds tested for everything including mold, pests and pesticides with no problems detected! I would also like to recommend NPK Industries mighty wash or ultimate wash and rinse the next day with power wash. To go further I would even wait 2-3 days after rinsing with power wash and do the same regimen a few times.

It's ok to use the strips whenever. Do not however spray the plants when the lights are on. I like to spray right before the lights go off. I keep all vents going including fan, ac, exhaust and dehumidifier. Mites are something you can control or rid of, powdery mildew is a death sentence.

If you cannot put the pest strips in the tent due to ventilation going back into your home then I would turn vents off for extra measure. If you cannot avoid that I would also hang extra strips in your house as they fuckers multiply like crazy and could literally be everywhere. I treat pests like the plague!

Good luck man.

Edit-If you want to be home to check on the plants and don't need to stay there then I might recommend getting a pesticide rated respirator. They sell em at home depot and amazon for around $40. This way you can go in without breathing the gas in. You should be fine though if your in and out within a couple hours.
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
Don't waste time with those damn mites! Clean with bleach everything in the tent and out/around. Get two pest strips. Put on at the top of the tent and one at the bottom. Leave the ventilation running so you don't have to leave unless it vents back into your home. If not I just leave my ventilation, fans and ac on and I put 1 strip for every 4 sq ft. They really work. I left them in from week 4 until harvest. I had my buds tested for everything including mold, pests and pesticides with no problems detected! I would also like to recommend NPK Industries mighty wash or ultimate wash and rinse the next day with power wash. To go further I would even wait 2-3 days after rinsing with power wash and do the same regimen a few times.

It's ok to use the strips whenever. Do not however spray the plants when the lights are on. I like to spray right before the lights go off. I keep all vents going including fan, ac, exhaust and dehumidifier. Mites are something you can control or rid of, powdery mildew is a death sentence.

If you cannot put the pest strips in the tent due to ventilation going back into your home then I would turn vents off for extra measure. If you cannot avoid that I would also hang extra strips in your house as they fuckers multiply like crazy and could literally be everywhere. I treat pests like the plague!

Good luck man.

Edit-If you want to be home to check on the plants and don't need to stay there then I might recommend getting a pesticide rated respirator. They sell em at home depot and amazon for around $40. This way you can go in without breathing the gas in. You should be fine though if your in and out within a couple hours.
Yeah and then smoke the shit you've been growing with those things hanging around poisoning the bud.
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
Try this instead and read below.

http://www.planetnatural.com/product/take-down-garden-spray/

Tip: Management strategies must take into account the fast development time of this pest, especially during warm weather when eggs are laid continuously. Just targeting the adults will do little good if eggs and larvae survive. Repeat treatments are almost always necessary. The use of leaf shines and washes helps control and prevent further infestations.

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You can use this spray up until the day of harvest!
 

DannyBlaze2

Active Member
I've used "Hot Shot" no-pest strips when I need them I'll take out of a plastic bag and put in front of the fan. They haven't kill me yet and they work really good...
 

chuck estevez

Well-Known Member
I've used "Hot Shot" no-pest strips when I need them I'll take out of a plastic bag and put in front of the fan. They haven't kill me yet and they work really good...
I was one who would say they didn't work, until they worked for me, I used them last year, this year, NO MITES, i didn't have to use anything because my rooms are bug free.:bigjoint:

so, one run I used them, the past 11 months, I haven't used anything, sounds like a fair trade off.
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
Please explain how they poison the bud.
"Controlling Insects
Hot Shot No-Pest Strips work against both flies and mosquitoes. For flying insect control specifically, hang or stand the strip in the middle of your treatment area, away from windows. You can even use the strip inside your trash dumpster if you're having a fly problem there. Stand up one strip inside your dumpster and keep the lid on the dumpster closed.

Do not use the strip around edibles." (THIS INFO IS FROM THE MANUFACTURER!)

Here's a wealth of info in this link.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=122627

On the second link are numerous links. By experts. You think these strips ask the bugs to commit suicide? Or do they attract and kill with vapors? Read a little.
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
I love a lot of folks here. Advice on wiring houses when people don't know if they have breakers or fuses, insecticide advice, legal advice. I spent almost 40 years as an RN. 17 of that in ER hearing every stupid reason you can think of how as to how they ended up there. If they even got there. Another 5 in a state prison doing dialysis on prisoners.Hearing all of THAT stupidity.
 

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
"Controlling Insects
Hot Shot No-Pest Strips work against both flies and mosquitoes. For flying insect control specifically, hang or stand the strip in the middle of your treatment area, away from windows. You can even use the strip inside your trash dumpster if you're having a fly problem there. Stand up one strip inside your dumpster and keep the lid on the dumpster closed.

Do not use the strip around edibles." (THIS INFO IS FROM THE MANUFACTURER!)

Here's a wealth of info in this link.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=122627

On the second link are numerous links. By experts. You think these strips ask the bugs to commit suicide? Or do they attract and kill with vapors? Read a little.
I've actually read a lot about dichlorvos and know how much a Hot Shot Pest strip puts out in terms of g/m3 in a 10M3 room. I also know the theoretical toxicity levels for humans, levels at which humans may encounter side effects, and the half life of dichlorvos. Perhaps you should read a little and come back to discuss your concerns when you are up to speed?
 

hotrodharley

Well-Known Member
I've actually read a lot about dichlorvos and know how much a Hot Shot Pest strip puts out in terms of g/m3 in a 10M3 room. I also know the theoretical toxicity levels for humans, levels at which humans may encounter side effects, and the half life of dichlorvos. Perhaps you should read a little and come back to discuss your concerns when you are up to speed?
RN here. YOU come back. Read a whole lot more than about half-lifes and more. Newbies don't listen to people like this expert Bugeye. Be safe rather than sorry.

See my signature as my reply to your next one.
 

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
RN here. YOU come back. Read a whole lot more than about half-lifes and more. Newbies don't listen to people like this expert Bugeye. Be safe rather than sorry.

See my signature as my reply to your next one.
Nice dodge. There are fact sets available to you. Please review them and come back with how buds are going to be poisoned. Hint, they won't be. Dichlorvos breaks down very quickly. Many growers using dichlorvos test their buds and they are clean.
 

chuck estevez

Well-Known Member
RN here. YOU come back. Read a whole lot more than about half-lifes and more. Newbies don't listen to people like this expert Bugeye. Be safe rather than sorry.

See my signature as my reply to your next one.
this is from YOUR link bro,

Does dichlorvos cause cancer in laboratory animals?

In one study, female mice that were fed high doses of dichlorvos over a long time had a higher frequency of stomach cancers than untreated mice. High doses of dichlorvos fed over two years caused an increase in the number of male rats that had pancreatic tumors and leukemia, (a type of cancer that affects the blood).

Does dichlorvos cause cancer in humans?

The risk for developing non-Hodgkin's lymphoma or multiple myeloma (cancers that affect the blood) was not significantly affected in male farmers who had used dichlorvos. A higher number of leukemia cases were reported in one study among male farmers who used dichlorvos for more than ten days per year, compared to those who had not used dichlorvos. A higher number of childhood brain cancer cases were reported among families that used dichlorvos, than families that did not. Both of these studies looked at a very small number of people who were also exposed to other chemicals, making it difficult to determine if dichlorvos was the cause of the cancers. However, the results indicate the need for larger studies on humans who may have been exposed to dichlorvos in their past, especially during childhood.

Does dichlorvos cause breast cancer?

No studies of breast cancer rates in women exposed to dichlorvos were found. One study reported that laboratory rats that were fed dichlorvos for two years had a higher number of benign mammary (breast) tumors than other rats. Malignant mammary tumors were not increased significantly in the dichlorvos-fed rats. This result needs to be confirmed in another rat study.

How can dichlorvos affect breast cancer risk?

Mice that were treated with leukemia-causing cells were found to develop leukemia faster if they were also fed dichlorvos. This result indicates that dichlorvos may increase the effect of another cancer-causing agent, or act as a "tumor promoter." However, researchers have not tested experimental animals with breast cancer-causing cells or chemicals to see if dichlorvos can or cannot "promote" breast tumors.

The immune system helps the body to fight against infection and cancer. There is a concern that chemicals that damage the immune system may also affect cancer risk. Dichlorvos was found to weaken or suppress the immune system in experimental animals. However, the animals with the immune suppression were not tested for the ability to fight breast cancer.

Is dichlorvos present in breast milk?

Dichlorvos does not persist or accumulate in the breast tissue or breast fat. There has been only one report of the presence of dichlorvos in breast milk, in a single sample of breast milk from Taiwan.

Conclusions

No studies were available on breast cancer incidences in women exposed to dichlorvos to assess whether dichlorvos increases breast cancer risk in humans. The evidence for the breast cancer risk from dichlorvos is limited to the one study in experimental rats in which it caused an increase in the frequency of benign mammary tumors only. Hence, we conclude that at the present time the evidence is not adequate to determine whether dichlorvos is a human breast carcinogen.

While the evidence specific to breast cancer risk is not adequate, we advise caution when dealing with this insecticide for the following reasons: there is sufficient evidence for its carcinogenic potential at other, non-mammary sites in experimental animals, and limited evidence that it may affect cancer risk by causing immune suppression, or by acting as a tumor promoter.

The potential for high exposures for the general population is extremely low since use of dichlorvos has become restricted and it does not remain in the environment for long periods of time. However, dichlorvos was once a very popular insecticide and hence we recommend that populations exposed in the past be followed for breast cancer incidence.
 

Bugeye

Well-Known Member
this is from YOUR link bro,

Does dichlorvos cause cancer in laboratory animals?

In one study, female mice that were fed high doses of dichlorvos over a long time had a higher frequency of stomach cancers than untreated mice. High doses of dichlorvos fed over two years caused an increase in the number of male rats that had pancreatic tumors and leukemia, (a type of cancer that affects the blood).

Does dichlorvos cause cancer in humans?

The risk for developing non-Hodgkin's lymphoma or multiple myeloma (cancers that affect the blood) was not significantly affected in male farmers who had used dichlorvos. A higher number of leukemia cases were reported in one study among male farmers who used dichlorvos for more than ten days per year, compared to those who had not used dichlorvos. A higher number of childhood brain cancer cases were reported among families that used dichlorvos, than families that did not. Both of these studies looked at a very small number of people who were also exposed to other chemicals, making it difficult to determine if dichlorvos was the cause of the cancers. However, the results indicate the need for larger studies on humans who may have been exposed to dichlorvos in their past, especially during childhood.

Does dichlorvos cause breast cancer?

No studies of breast cancer rates in women exposed to dichlorvos were found. One study reported that laboratory rats that were fed dichlorvos for two years had a higher number of benign mammary (breast) tumors than other rats. Malignant mammary tumors were not increased significantly in the dichlorvos-fed rats. This result needs to be confirmed in another rat study.

How can dichlorvos affect breast cancer risk?

Mice that were treated with leukemia-causing cells were found to develop leukemia faster if they were also fed dichlorvos. This result indicates that dichlorvos may increase the effect of another cancer-causing agent, or act as a "tumor promoter." However, researchers have not tested experimental animals with breast cancer-causing cells or chemicals to see if dichlorvos can or cannot "promote" breast tumors.

The immune system helps the body to fight against infection and cancer. There is a concern that chemicals that damage the immune system may also affect cancer risk. Dichlorvos was found to weaken or suppress the immune system in experimental animals. However, the animals with the immune suppression were not tested for the ability to fight breast cancer.

Is dichlorvos present in breast milk?

Dichlorvos does not persist or accumulate in the breast tissue or breast fat. There has been only one report of the presence of dichlorvos in breast milk, in a single sample of breast milk from Taiwan.

Conclusions

No studies were available on breast cancer incidences in women exposed to dichlorvos to assess whether dichlorvos increases breast cancer risk in humans. The evidence for the breast cancer risk from dichlorvos is limited to the one study in experimental rats in which it caused an increase in the frequency of benign mammary tumors only. Hence, we conclude that at the present time the evidence is not adequate to determine whether dichlorvos is a human breast carcinogen.

While the evidence specific to breast cancer risk is not adequate, we advise caution when dealing with this insecticide for the following reasons: there is sufficient evidence for its carcinogenic potential at other, non-mammary sites in experimental animals, and limited evidence that it may affect cancer risk by causing immune suppression, or by acting as a tumor promoter.

The potential for high exposures for the general population is extremely low since use of dichlorvos has become restricted and it does not remain in the environment for long periods of time. However, dichlorvos was once a very popular insecticide and hence we recommend that populations exposed in the past be followed for breast cancer incidence.
Those farmers were SPRAYING dichlorvos. HSPS are slow release. So not even comparable. HSPS put out at 1.2 g/M3 over the life of the product and OSHA recommends you not exceed 1.0 mg/M3 for more than 8 hours a day. Acute toxicity in humans is estimated at 100 mg/M3. A new HSPS puts out a peak level of 0.15mg/M3 gong to 0.05 mg/M3 in a few days. So follow the directions if you use it and demand that your RN actually use science to treat you.

Edited for conversion rate error in first post.
 
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Wavels

Well-Known Member
I have never used no-pest strips in any "living space"...but I have used them in many grow rooms over the years.
My perception of no-pest strips is that they are to be used only as the weapon of last resort. If DE or Pyrethrin or Safers does not work...time for the big gun...
No-pest strips have consistently eradicated infestations of white flies and spider mites in my grow rooms/closets.
Never noticed any difference in the taste or quality of the buds...but I read the directions on the label and use the strips sparingly and with respect for the bug killing vapor!
 

SirSteely

Well-Known Member
I have never used no-pest strips in any "living space"...but I have used them in many grow rooms over the years.
My perception of no-pest strips is that they are to be used only as the weapon of last resort. If DE or Pyrethrin or Safers does not work...time for the big gun...
No-pest strips have consistently eradicated infestations of white flies and spider mites in my grow rooms/closets.
Never noticed any difference in the taste or quality of the buds...but I read the directions on the label and use the strips sparingly and with respect for the bug killing vapor!
Why are you getting consistent infestations? Would be my question.
If HSPS can contaminate food, why can't it contaminate flowers?
 

greasemonkeymann

Well-Known Member
this is from YOUR link bro,

Does dichlorvos cause cancer in laboratory animals?

In one study, female mice that were fed high doses of dichlorvos over a long time had a higher frequency of stomach cancers than untreated mice. High doses of dichlorvos fed over two years caused an increase in the number of male rats that had pancreatic tumors and leukemia, (a type of cancer that affects the blood).

Does dichlorvos cause cancer in humans?

The risk for developing non-Hodgkin's lymphoma or multiple myeloma (cancers that affect the blood) was not significantly affected in male farmers who had used dichlorvos. A higher number of leukemia cases were reported in one study among male farmers who used dichlorvos for more than ten days per year, compared to those who had not used dichlorvos. A higher number of childhood brain cancer cases were reported among families that used dichlorvos, than families that did not. Both of these studies looked at a very small number of people who were also exposed to other chemicals, making it difficult to determine if dichlorvos was the cause of the cancers. However, the results indicate the need for larger studies on humans who may have been exposed to dichlorvos in their past, especially during childhood.

Does dichlorvos cause breast cancer?

No studies of breast cancer rates in women exposed to dichlorvos were found. One study reported that laboratory rats that were fed dichlorvos for two years had a higher number of benign mammary (breast) tumors than other rats. Malignant mammary tumors were not increased significantly in the dichlorvos-fed rats. This result needs to be confirmed in another rat study.

How can dichlorvos affect breast cancer risk?

Mice that were treated with leukemia-causing cells were found to develop leukemia faster if they were also fed dichlorvos. This result indicates that dichlorvos may increase the effect of another cancer-causing agent, or act as a "tumor promoter." However, researchers have not tested experimental animals with breast cancer-causing cells or chemicals to see if dichlorvos can or cannot "promote" breast tumors.

The immune system helps the body to fight against infection and cancer. There is a concern that chemicals that damage the immune system may also affect cancer risk. Dichlorvos was found to weaken or suppress the immune system in experimental animals. However, the animals with the immune suppression were not tested for the ability to fight breast cancer.

Is dichlorvos present in breast milk?

Dichlorvos does not persist or accumulate in the breast tissue or breast fat. There has been only one report of the presence of dichlorvos in breast milk, in a single sample of breast milk from Taiwan.

Conclusions

No studies were available on breast cancer incidences in women exposed to dichlorvos to assess whether dichlorvos increases breast cancer risk in humans. The evidence for the breast cancer risk from dichlorvos is limited to the one study in experimental rats in which it caused an increase in the frequency of benign mammary tumors only. Hence, we conclude that at the present time the evidence is not adequate to determine whether dichlorvos is a human breast carcinogen.

While the evidence specific to breast cancer risk is not adequate, we advise caution when dealing with this insecticide for the following reasons: there is sufficient evidence for its carcinogenic potential at other, non-mammary sites in experimental animals, and limited evidence that it may affect cancer risk by causing immune suppression, or by acting as a tumor promoter.

The potential for high exposures for the general population is extremely low since use of dichlorvos has become restricted and it does not remain in the environment for long periods of time. However, dichlorvos was once a very popular insecticide and hence we recommend that populations exposed in the past be followed for breast cancer incidence.
they impregnate plastic with dichlorvos(edit, stoner brain forgot to add the end of that sentence...)Uhem... they impregnate plastic with dichlorvos to make flea collars. as well as feeding it to livestock to minimize flies on their shit.
The more I learn about it, and the more I think if you used it only for maybe the first 60 days of flowering (for my long sativas) or maybe 45 days for quicker plants...
I mean... people are using miticides... and those freak me out... well some of them do.
but I've learned an asston about dichlorvos in the last 48 hrs....
 
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Bugeye

Well-Known Member
Why are you getting consistent infestations? Would be my question.
If HSPS can contaminate food, why can't it contaminate flowers?
It will contaminate flowers, but by the time your buds are dried it will have broken down. It does not build up on the plant or in humans. Because I might be drying in rh lower than 50% I stop use a week before harvest. The higher the rh exposure and temperature the faster it breaks down. You do not see dichlrovos residue in foods exposed to slow release dichlorovos if the foods are left our to dry/cure. You only see residue in freshly prepared foods.

So if you want to use HSPS up until day of harvest and then plan to oven dry your weed and smoke it, be aware...this is not a proper use...and your bud will taste like shit anyway.
 
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