NITROGENS-WHICH IS BEST AND WHY

greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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VTMi'kmaq said:
Never thought id be asking grow buddies what kinda shelf life my piss has but sheeeit man, whatever works for my broke ass!
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well there ya go my man
See?
this site is good for info after all, minus the people that sit on their hands trying to find errors in others..
Which, not to be arrogant, but... barking at the wrong tree... i purposefully will NOT post things that i don't know to be factual.
SO maybe i should put that in my sig, so people will go look elsewhere..
Shelf life of urine is about 20 hrs before it degrades to ammonia.
Use it fresh though, and for the hell of it, maybe pop a few multivitamins too to get it neon yellow...
 
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VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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It's important to me to have a go to method to reverse issue's because my pension just aint cutting it anymore, rents where i live are 1200 a month for a nice one bedroom thats not in the ghetto, ghetto apts require section 8 subsidies, and a willingness to put up with thievery around here and i refuse to be stolen from again!
 
VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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greasemonkeymann said:
well there ya go my man
See?
this site is good for info after all, minus the people that sit on their hands trying to find errors in others..
Which, not to be arrogant, but... barking at the wrong tree... i purposefully will NOT post things that i don't know to be factual.
SO maybe i should put that in my sig, so people will go look elsewhere..
Shelf life of urine is about 20 hrs before it degrades to ammonia.
Use it fresh though, and for the hell of it, maybe pop a few multivitamins too to get it neon yellow...
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I used older stuff on a plant yesterday, it wasnt heavily pungent because i had the jug in the breezeway which is about 50 degrees. I may have to go back to that one plant and hit it again with a better solution of watered down fresh urine.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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VTMi'kmaq said:
I used older stuff on a plant yesterday, it wasnt heavily pungent because i had the jug in the breezeway which is about 50 degrees. I may have to go back to that one plant and hit it again with a better solution of watered down fresh urine.
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just remember its potent, and readily taken in, so you can OD on it, the guys i know do it weekly, and their soil is nothing but a peat/aeration mix, with compost and alpaca manure, kelp meal, and that's it.
No minerals, and hardly any food, but his plants are beautiful, and the nugs are delicious.
Oh and depending on the strain, you may want to hold off on anything like that for the last 3-4 weeks, depending on the strain and it's growing habits.
if i remember right, it's roughly a 15-0-0 nutrient, when diluted 15/1
course depends on your diet..
but an indica that doesn't stretch or build a lot of vegetation when it flowers may only need that a couple times.
on the contrary a stretchy sativa that triples in size after triggering may need it a lil more.
 
C

CC Dobbs

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greasemonkeymann said:
Go research that please and come back.
It's the urea content of urine that makes it useful.
After about 24 hrs it turns to ammonia, which isn't as useful.
I hang out with a bunch of hippy homesteaders man.. it's their WORLD.
http://www.bigblogofgardening.com/human-urine-as-fertilizer-in-your-home-garden/

http://www.gardeningknowhow.com/garden-how-to/soil-fertilizers/feeding-plants-with-urine.htm

http://www.howtodothings.com/home-garden/how-to-use-urine-as-a-fertilizer

Once again,it's the UREA content of urine that makes it useful.
And NO people don't piss pure urea.
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You're too smart for me.
 
MistaRasta

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Neem and Alfalfa are my two favorites in veg. They're both biodynamic accumulators and they're both very potent. Neem fixes nitrogen around the root zone, and Alfalfa delivers tricantinol, a powerful growth hormone.

I also like crab meal as its ratios are all around nice
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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MistaRasta said:
Neem and Alfalfa are my two favorites in veg. They're both biodynamic accumulators and they're both very potent. Neem fixes nitrogen around the root zone, and Alfalfa delivers tricantinol, a powerful growth hormone.

I also like crab meal as its ratios are all around nice
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I totally agree with you on those being great nutrients.
But
You sure about neem being a biodynamic accumulator?
I thought those were mostly "weeds"
comfrey, dandelion, stinging nettles, and such.
I haven't heard that about neem.
Doesn't mean it isn't true, just I haven't heard that before.
never heard that it fixes nitrogen either.
you sure you aren't mixing that up with something else?
 
VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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oh no, just trying to ascertain what mista rasta meant when he suggested the amendments he uses, just making sure i understand EXACTLY what it is being used is all.
 
VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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hotrodharley said:
"Soil nitrogen exists in three general forms: organic nitrogen compounds, ammonium (NH4+) ions and nitrate (NO3-) ions."

http://www.cropnutrition.com/efu-nitrogen#soil-nitrogen

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Bacteria such as Rhizobia that infect (nodulate) the roots of, and receive much food energy

from, legume plants can fix much more nitrogen per year (some well over 100 lb nitrogen/acre). When the quantity of nitrogen fixed by Rhizobia exceeds that needed by the microbes themselves, it is released for use by the host legume plant. This is why well-nodulated legumes do not often respond to additions of nitrogen fertilizer. They are already receiving enough from the bacteria."

Check the graphic in this article showing the different sources of nitrogen for application to plants.
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Ok i got my head screwed on straight today.......and i'd like to comment as follows. I had a great grower giving me his life's experiance, atm he is struggling with health issues so i won't even bother him with my new "realizations". He would hint to me that AM nitrates are readily available in tons of pant nutes out there. Prob being that nitrate nitrogen is better when used in moderation than AM nitrogen.
 
VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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Ok so AM forms of nitrogen can be used as foliars(which is candy info for me) and Nitrate nitrogens CANNOT beused as foliars because of the nitrates build up being so nasty, you can lose organic certification for over fertilizing with nitrogen! When using AM nitrogen as foliar applications you can see results within 3-4 hours after application! This must be tested in my gardens!
 
VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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I gotta say i learned alot from mr.smith in that video. the phosphorus explanation was really fluid and easy as pie to grasp. Kinda explains things in a real sensible way imvho.
 
MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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greasemonkeymann said:
I totally agree with you on those being great nutrients.
But
You sure about neem being a biodynamic accumulator?
I thought those were mostly "weeds"
comfrey, dandelion, stinging nettles, and such.
I haven't heard that about neem.
Doesn't mean it isn't true, just I haven't heard that before.
never heard that it fixes nitrogen either.
you sure you aren't mixing that up with something else?
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A biodynamic accumulator is any plant that stores elements in the bio mass above the soil. Doesn't necessarily have to be a weed of any sort.

Aloe is another great example of a biodynamic accumulator. With all the secondary metabolites, lignins, phytogens, macros and micros its great for plants.

Neem also fixes nitrogen, do a tad bit more research on it and you'll find that to be true
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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MistaRasta said:
A biodynamic accumulator is any plant that stores elements in the bio mass above the soil. Doesn't necessarily have to be a weed of any sort.

Aloe is another great example of a biodynamic accumulator. With all the secondary metabolites, lignins, phytogens, macros and micros its great for plants.

Neem also fixes nitrogen, do a tad bit more research on it and you'll find that to be true
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I did some research and can't find any info man, Are you referring to neem meals ability to slow the nitrogen's "gas-off"? Sorta like biochar it would seem?
I'm confused, here, when I think "fixes nitrogen" I thought you meant like how legumes do..
i'm totally not tryin to be argumentative (a dick).
Just merely trying to learn
 
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