Nirvana AK-48 600 Watt Ebb & Flow

Reservoir is at 1200 ppm / 2.4eC; 5.9pH. Looked a little low, so added one gallon of distilled water to top off the rez and bring down the ppms. Air temps have ranged between 70F and 78F. RH is at 60%. Ended up tying down two of the four plants, and I expect to tie down the other two this evening. Supercropped a few of the taller stems....



Tie down on plant #1:



A little cleaner tent:



I think I will take clones this weekend and then slam them into 12/12 a few days after....

DAMN!!! there looking good bro..just went read the whole thread..is there any diffrents in the plants (phoneos)?

Reservoir is at 1100ppm / 2.2 eC; 5.8pH. Added another galloon of tap water. Plants are 9" above the hydroton, and 12" below the light. The growth is getting really thick and difficult to manage. Although most LST guides recommend topping the main growth stem prior to 12/12, I'm going to leave mine whole. I've read you need to do the topping one week prior to 12/12, so I don't have the time.



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MEANGREEN69 said:

DAMN!!! there looking good bro..just went read the whole thread..is there any diffrents in the plants (phoneos)?

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Because they are so young, I don't think I can tell if there are different phenotypes yet. Although #1 is the strongest plant, in my few grows I've noticed that doesn't necessarily mean it will be the best finisher. I will be taking clones from all four plants, and will keep a mother plant of the best one.

Thanks for stopping by!

Make sure you label your clone phenos, I do plants A,B,C,D. Then label your clones the same way, so you can track phenos.... I love the clean tent, think I need to go clean my room.........

Subscribed! Got some ak48's going organic grow SOG right now, but been getting real interested in a setup just like yours due to space limitations.

wonderblunder said:

Make sure you label your clone phenos, I do plants A,B,C,D. Then label your clones the same way, so you can track phenos.... I love the clean tent, think I need to go clean my room.........

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The toothpicks and labels are ready to mark my clones. I think #1 will be the keeper, but you can't tell until harvest. The tent is clean because I just set it up last weekend. It will be looking like a normal grow tent shortly...

I dont like using wood markers, I have had mold issues, and if you write on the wood( you probably wouldn't with a toothpick), foliar sprays will make all the writing disapear. Thats a nice little surprise...........

As I am putting the plants in to 12/12, and changing to an HPS bulb, I decided I would try my hand at cloning. I've read that you can easily clone two weeks into the flower cycle, so I figure if they don't take, I can try again in two weeks. Used Shultz's Take Root Cloning powder in peat plugs. Trimmed two branches per plant, then re-cut at a 45 degree angle under water. Scraped some of the outside of the stem and covered in the powder. They are in my greenhouse on top of a heat mat with 2 T-8 40w flouros providing light. Gave them a light misting of water and covered them up:



EDIT: Turned lights out for the first 24 hours. My buddy says this will stop them from immediately twisting towards the light.

I've untied all the plants ahead of flowering, and they've retained their bends:



Got a mix of the "Transition" formula bubbling away in my mixer, and a brand new 600w Solar Max HPS light (95,000 lumens). I've got 3 feet of open space over my light, so I hope that the LST will allow me to keep an even canopy 1 foot beneath the light. Tent temps are 70F - 75F and 55% RH. Res is at 1100ppm 2.2 eC; 5.8pH at 67F. I will update with new light and feed schedule after the transition today.

Some of the nicest bushiest plants. Did you cut the tips of the leaves off when you cloned? couldn't tell from pics, but it didn't say in the decription. Peat Plugs work well.
Than an egg carton? Watchout for mold. DOn't make me out to be a mold nazi, but the humidity dome is a good place for it, wood markers in soil is also good way. I think your cloning technique otherwise is awesome. should be very good. What did you soak the Peat plugs in?
Watering them with Super Thrive or Thrive ALive B-1 is def good........

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Some of the nicest bushiest plants. Did you cut the tips of the leaves off when you cloned? couldn't tell from pics, but it didn't say in the decription. Peat Plugs work well.
Than an egg carton? Watchout for mold. DOn't make me out to be a mold nazi, but the humidity dome is a good place for it, wood markers in soil is also good way. I think your cloning technique otherwise is awesome. should be very good. What did you soak the Peat plugs in?
Watering them with Super Thrive or Thrive ALive B-1 is def good........

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Sorry, I failed to mention I had cut the fan leaves back. I'm heading to the hydro shop to get some proper plug holders today. I soaked the toothpicks in isopropyl the night before, but I will try to find some plastic markers to replace them. Soaked the peat plugs in 5.8 pH tap water that had been bubbled for 24 hours, a little of the cloning powder, and a drop of SuperThrive. The mist I use contains one drop of SuperThrive and 1ml of SM-90 per pint of water. The sulphonated canola oil in the SM-90 is supposed to help the clones resist mold and is also a wetting agent....

Thanks for the advice!

sounds like a plan. I always go way heavier on superthrive than the reccomended for rootig purposes. I put 1 tsp per gallon in my aeroponic cloner and works great, Probably use about 1/2 tsp per gallon, when watering rapid rooter,s etc. I put those peat pellets on a bed of perlite, or hydroton. Then keep the water level below the peat pots. I use low tupperware dishes so I dont have to fill my whole humidity dome and use a ton of plastic plant markers. Use black sharpie on the plastic. Some colors, will fade....

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sounds like a plan. I always go way heavier on superthrive than the reccomended for rootig purposes. I put 1 tsp per gallon in my aeroponic cloner and works great, Probably use about 1/2 tsp per gallon, when watering rapid rooter,s etc. I put those peat pellets on a bed of perlite, or hydroton. Then keep the water level below the peat pots. I use low tupperware dishes so I dont have to fill my whole humidity dome and use a ton of plastic plant markers. Use black sharpie on the plastic. Some colors, will fade....

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I used perlite for germinating, and it kept the greenhouse at a nice consistent humidity. Don't know why I didn't think to use it for cloning. So, change of plans, I'll get a low tupperware container to put the perlite and plugs in. I'll also add 1 ml of SuperThrive to my misting mix.

Do you keep them in lights out for the first 24 hours?

Thanks again for the advice. +Rep.

Mixed up a batch of GH "Transition" mix:

12 gallons tap (350 ppm / 0.7 eC; 7.8pH)

SM-90 35ml
SuperThrive 15ml
Gro 120ml
Micro 120ml
Bloom 120ml
Floraliscious Plus 15ml
FloraBlend 120ml

1150 ppm / 2.3 eC; 6.5pH
Added 60ml pH Down to 5.8 pH.
Res temp is 67F.

Replaced the 600w MH with a 600w Solar Max HPS light (95,000 lumens). Light is still 12" above the canopy. 12/12 light schedule will start tomorrow morning at 0900 when the lights will go out for the first time. 15 minute floods will occur at 2200, 0100, 0400 and 0700 during lights on. I will also flood it once at 1400, during lights out, just for the hell of it.

Supercropped all of the tallest stems to maintain an even canopy.




And added I also added a 16" oscillating fan to blow directly at the light.



Air temps are 74F at 41% RH.

Plants are looking good man! I'm thinking about doing a set up like yours in the near future. How much do you think your going to yield?

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Plants are looking good man! I'm thinking about doing a set up like yours in the near future. How much do you think your going to yield?

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I hit 15 oz on my last grow:

https://www.rollitup.org/harvesting-curing/254769-jock-horror-harvest.html

I'm hoping for an even pound, but I think 1gm / watt is my long term plan. Just need to tweek the set up a bit and find a big producing pheno.

Thanks for stopping by!

Sounds doable. Good luck with the grow, I'm going pull up a seat and watch them ladies flower...

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Res tested at 1200ppm / 2.4 eC; 6.1pH. Added 10ml pH down. Air temp is 76F at 45% RH. Plant canopy is pretty flat with lots of bud sites showing. Will continue to supercrop the fast growers, and tuck all the fan leaves that are blocking light.



I turned the lights on above the clones. There has been no drooping, and very little color change:





I followed all of WonderBlunder's tips except for the plastic plant markers. After I got everything switched out yesterday, I decided I deserved a nice big bong rip of my Jock Horror, and got too stoned to drive to the hydro shop. Sorry dude, that's what you get for trying to teach something to a stoner....

I would have done the same thing. Those clones look real good.... Like I said in the last post. THose are some of the niciest bushiest plants I have ever seen. Awesome documentation of your grow. THey are gonna be very pretty. This grow is about take off now that you made the flip.........I will be sitting in the back........

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I would have done the same thing. Those clones look real good.... Like I said in the last post. THose are some of the niciest bushiest plants I have ever seen. Awesome documentation of your grow. THey are gonna be very pretty. This grow is about take off now that you made the flip.........I will be sitting in the back........

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On my first grow, I kept daily reservoir status notes for every day of the grow. It's a lot of work, but it's worth it to be able to go back and review my grow from a year ago. So, although this isn't as finely documented as the first grow, it will help me in future grows when I start cutting clones from my AK-48 mother plant. (Hopefully)

I finally went over to check your grow: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/234597-wonders-medical-grow-purple-widow.html Your stuff is looking incredible. There is also excellent dialogue going on in there with the other members. Lots of good ideas flying around!

I'm working my way to a veg tent and flower tent, but I'm still trying to figure out where I'm going to get the power. I have availability in the breaker box, but I'm a lazy stoner and I don't want to have to run the wire.....

With all of your help, you get a front row seat. Maybe even a Lazy Boy......