I'm one of the guys that sent tybudz a pm and a couple things didn't add up. In one thread, tybudz eludes to using led for space issues and a wife that won't let you cut holes in the wall. Sounds believable. I ask him about these LEDs and he replies that he bought 20 of these LEDs for a commercial operation but a bunch of kids ruined the grow because they wouldn't listen. He then tells me he has 8 units left but doesn't know the manufacturer. A couple days later he sends me the link to HTG. Now everybody knows HTG and the fact you couldn't recall the name screams volumes. It's my guess that you are unloading these outdated units from HTG. Come on.. you put down a very reputable LED supplier in ProSource. They are pioneers in LED technology and have proof to back it.
Newer led technology !!! Facts not fiction
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wyteberrywidow
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Trust me i know.Nothing he said added up.The whole thing started up when he said he gets a half pound everytime with a 90 watt led.
Dinosaur Bone
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This Tesla coil - plasma discharge flashlight sounds neato.... but most folks are turned off by the $5,000 price point.
Serapis
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Where in this post is a claim that a 90W UFO produced a half pound? I missed it....
Serapis
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I do know that a 205 W LED system produced one gram per watt when a 400W MH lamp produced only 0.69 grams per watt. LED was 203 grams dried and hid was 268 grams dried. Sure the hid produced more, it used 195W more than the LED did. Had it been 400W LED and 400W HID, the LED would have blown the HID away.
Why do we get to see comparison grows of a 90W vs a 400W hid lamp? Of course the 400W is going to produce more bud, it's kicking 310W more than the UFO, it sure better produce more. How about 5 UFO's against a 400w HID lamp? The LED would kick it's ass.
Also your claim that LED buds are lighter or less dense couldn't be further from the truth. Many LED growers have reported denser buds with a higher potency, including High Times Magazine.
Quoted from High Times Magazine:
May 24th, 2009
In three separate trials, a high-powered LED (prototypes of HID Hut’s UFO) was run in side-by-side experiments – once against a 400-watt MH bulb, once against a 400-watt HPS bulb, and once against a 600-watt HPS bulb. These trials used exactly the same conditions on both sides of the fence. The plants were cuttings taken from a single mother; the medium and grow systems were the same; and the nutrients and atmospheric conditions were kept identical. The only variable was the lamp provided. And, as usual, the results varied.
In Trial A, the clones were placed in a three-by-six-foot box that was divided evenly in half. An ebb-and-flow table on each side shared the same grow medium and reservoir. In the end, the LED lamp yielded 12% more than its counterpart, the 400-watt MH.
In Trial B, similar systems again pitted the UFO against a 400-watt HPS, only this time the LED side took an extra week to finish. Some concern arose over stretching, as the clone grew to touch the UFO. This resulted in a decision to increase the blue diodes in a second prototype, and it may lead to an increase in wavelength for the red diodes, according to the manufacturer. In the end, the LED side yielded 5% less than the HPS side did.
However, it was reported in Trial B that there were markedly different potencies, with the LED plant producing much more resin. Speculation exists that the shortage of wavelengths aided in this process, as abnormal stresses have been known to increase the production of resin glands. Final calculations taking into consideration the extra week of flowering time on the LED side found that in terms of grams yielded per kilowatt hour (KwH) consumed, the HPS yield was one-fourth that of the LED side.
In Trial C, the grower found similarities to both previous trials. While the LED yielded less than its counterpart, this test pushed the limits of the LED by pitting it against a stronger 600-watt HPS bulb. Resin production on this Cali-O strain was up after just four weeks of flowering, but in the end, the yield was around 20% less. However, the grower did note that the amount of money saved in electric costs compared against the costs of the 600-watt HPS was almost enough to offset the profits lost on yield. An interesting side note in this trial was that the plant on the LED side needed considerably less watering than the plant on the HPS side. It is possible that this is due to lower surface temperatures in the soil medium, or because the plant wasn’t driven as hard and thus drank less.
Anyway you slice it, this one’s a real mind-bender. Given the possibilities for vast improvements down the line, the LED revolution could very well be underway already. Will the LED Zeppelin (or the UFO) take off and change the world? For the present, things are certainly looking up.
This info was provided to Whyteberry in the past and his only response was "where is the proof?" Apparently he doesn't deem High Times as a reliable source of information.
newworldicon
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Who cares people!!!!!????? Tybudz left this alone a while ago and you lot are still flogging dead horses. move on!!
Serapis
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LOL.... The debate over LED lights is hardly a dead horse.
newworldicon
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I believe in LED as much as you might Serapis and I want them to work as well, but flogging of a dead horse refers to this thread, I have been thinking that a sub forum will be good to discuss LED but not on this one here. This thread is polluted mate and you will not do LED any justice in here.
wyteberrywidow
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Even in this quote it says it beats the mh but when it comes to hps hps out yields it like i said.The only thing they say it beats it at is kwh usage.Damn you sound like a little kid pulling up shit to no defense..Im not worried about the electrical bill thats not the debate and if it is your debate then you are arguing for no reason..So please if you have proof FIRST HAND not someone elses grow. show some not high times because it clearly stated the only thing thats better about led is the cheaper bill at the end of the month.Plenty of grows with hps get 1 gram per watt or over so please show more as in matter of fact show yours.You did not finish a grow yet so shut the fuck up.
wyteberrywidow
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And it will never be until the proof is there until then it will always be a debate.Again keep your mouth in your thread because if you dont want a debate dont cause 1..
Then trying to call me names is just going to make me respond even more
LT1RX7 Drifter
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wow 12 pages in less then two days all about led tech thats out of date and doesn't work
wyteberrywidow
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Tell that to the die hard led users who cannot back up the claim with first hand proof.They use other people grows to say led is the best.WHATEVER
I am posting here because I do use LEDS. I DO NOT support this random idiot whos posting his website and shit, BUT I do want to aid in the knowledge of LED's. I bought mine from the same site as these here:
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/completed-journals/115430-growledhydro-com-180w-super-lemon-haze-grow-lots-pics.html
That link is a link to a 180w LED in a 2x2 tent with ONE plant. you can lookup the information for yourself, but I bought that same 180w and I have 4 plants under it now. I will add a 90w later on, but for now they seem to be fine with the 180w (im in a 2x2 area) The light footprint of the 180w is something like 2.5ftx2.5ft OR 3x3, I don't remember, but the site that sells the LED's says so for those wondering. I am in NO WAY affiliated with any LED company so I will not be advertising anything. You can follow my grow if you'd like or go check out that one I linked above, they will say where the got the lights in them.
Here is my grow journal if you want to follow along:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/367901-blue-mystic-bubblicious-slh-triple.html
I just implemented my 180w 2 days ago and before that they were only under a 90w UFO. They were doing just OK under the 90w (4 plants) but they fit wonderfully under this 180w at the size they are, so they are loving it.
If my thoughts are all over, its because I was trying to type this as quick as possible, I gotta run to the library. Hope I'm helping.. lol
P.S.***** I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS GUYS LIGHTS AND IN NO WAY AM I AGREEING WITH WHAT HE SAYS. JUST SHOWING SOME LED GROWS
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http://www.420magazine.com/forums/completed-journals/115430-growledhydro-com-180w-super-lemon-haze-grow-lots-pics.html
That link is a link to a 180w LED in a 2x2 tent with ONE plant. you can lookup the information for yourself, but I bought that same 180w and I have 4 plants under it now. I will add a 90w later on, but for now they seem to be fine with the 180w (im in a 2x2 area) The light footprint of the 180w is something like 2.5ftx2.5ft OR 3x3, I don't remember, but the site that sells the LED's says so for those wondering. I am in NO WAY affiliated with any LED company so I will not be advertising anything. You can follow my grow if you'd like or go check out that one I linked above, they will say where the got the lights in them.
Here is my grow journal if you want to follow along:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/367901-blue-mystic-bubblicious-slh-triple.html
I just implemented my 180w 2 days ago and before that they were only under a 90w UFO. They were doing just OK under the 90w (4 plants) but they fit wonderfully under this 180w at the size they are, so they are loving it.
If my thoughts are all over, its because I was trying to type this as quick as possible, I gotta run to the library. Hope I'm helping.. lol
P.S.***** I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS GUYS LIGHTS AND IN NO WAY AM I AGREEING WITH WHAT HE SAYS. JUST SHOWING SOME LED GROWS
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green.budz
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led's lighting my produce +
led's lighting my weed -
stop using a shitty replacement for HID lighting . if you want to grow weed under a different kind of light , clench a mag light between your ass cheaks and stand over your plant .(spin for better penetration )
leds have a long long way to go watt/spectrum/frequency/cost before theyll be viable . If you wanna drop money on a technology thats in its infancy (per application) feel free .Just stop trying to sucker others into buying a big lightbright that produces sub par results time and time again .
led's lighting my weed -
stop using a shitty replacement for HID lighting . if you want to grow weed under a different kind of light , clench a mag light between your ass cheaks and stand over your plant .(spin for better penetration )
leds have a long long way to go watt/spectrum/frequency/cost before theyll be viable . If you wanna drop money on a technology thats in its infancy (per application) feel free .Just stop trying to sucker others into buying a big lightbright that produces sub par results time and time again .
I don't know where you're getting your information, but I can link you to a few different grows with the LED's from the same site as mine who have produced GREAT results. I'm not here to try and say a 90w led will produce as much as 400w HID because thats absurd. The problem with the LED advertisements is they try to compare 90w LED to 400w HID in which case they are retarded. Maybe 2/3 or 3/4 LED wattage to HID wattage is more like it. You can disagree, I don't care, but don't be so one sided. LED's can work well with the proper money spent on them. ;D
green.budz
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if you had a 400w led it would be the size of a houses roof .... and it would be a "prototype" like all of them listed in the test . (did you know magazines make $ when they push shit ) sigh ...
Serapis
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????? Is this your formal argument?
what the hell are you talking about? i have a 180w LED panel and its 19" x 13" x 2.5".
The same website is selling a 600w LED and its measurements are 34" x 13" x 2.5"
and for people who have the most minuscule mental capacity like the person i'm quoting, this is inches.
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