New vert grow, could use some input please

gr865 said:

Ok back to the post, here is the wiring setup as it stands now, I like it.
Pics of the inside of the tent later today, closed up now, only the seedlings under 4 bulb T5.

GR

Oh and buy the way, I had to take my laptop into the shop last week and so I removed all photos of grows and some pics of my lady (did not want them to see), then I deleted both of those files. Lost the USB drive I put them on. So 6yrs of pics gone! Fucking drag! Real Fucking drag!
GR

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That s bad. 6 yrs is lot of time and work as well

Ok, so it's late but not a happy camper, and it's all on me.

Little girls are three weeks old, I have neglected them and it is showing. Tall, lean, no growth at all for their age but it's all my bad. Have not been feeding much at all and it shows.
So today I up'ed the nutes, still in the seedling range.
I have the tent in place and ready for a go. Have not done anything with the Blumats yet and will wait till I have the ladies in the smart pots.
I have had so much shit going on, health issues, work, ex's son who is like a son to me has bad drug and alcohol probs. All things more important than a grow.
But, I am more focused now so on with the grow.
The tent looks cool, has a couple of issues but nothing major. My G/F said why did you not just turn that closet into the grow room and you would not have needed to buy a tent, damn woman, right again. Would have saved a shit load of money. OH well, no one ever said I was the smartest apple to fall from the tree, what ever that means,

Ok the tequila has taken it's toll, good night.
Peace,
GR

Ps, but the Exodus Cheese is a very good compliment!

gr865 said:

Ok, so it's late but not a happy camper, and it's all on me.

Little girls are three weeks old, I have neglected them and it is showing. Tall, lean, no growth at all for their age but it's all my bad. Have not been feeding much at all and it shows.
So today I up'ed the nutes, still in the seedling range.
I have the tent in place and ready for a go. Have not done anything with the Blumats yet and will wait till I have the ladies in the smart pots.
I have had so much shit going on, health issues, work, ex's son who is like a son to me has bad drug and alcohol probs. All things more important than a grow.
But, I am more focused now so on with the grow.
The tent looks cool, has a couple of issues but nothing major. My G/F said why did you not just turn that closet into the grow room and you would not have needed to buy a tent, damn woman, right again. Would have saved a shit load of money. OH well, no one ever said I was the smartest apple to fall from the tree, what ever that means,

Ok the tequila has taken it's toll, good night.
Peace,
GR

Ps, but the Exodus Cheese is a very good compliment!

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Hey gr865! Nice to see you starting your next journal. World of Hempy is going to miss your updates, i'm sure.

Have you worked with the blumats before? I actually just finished my first grow with them and it was so nice getting away from hand watering.

Couple things I did, not sure how effective it all was but here ya go:
I used a product called "drip clean" that is supposed to keep the lines from getting clogged, and since i used distribution drippers i wanted to be safe. I also bought the little stands to hold the drippers up away from my promix, but had to keep moving them up because your roots will actually grow into your distribution drippers overnight if you don't put them a couple inches (at least) above your medium.
If you are going to use anything organic (or semi-organic like floralicious plus) then water it in.
The hardest part for me after getting a good drip rate (i think i read somewhere 8 seconds between drip from when pot is saturated for coco, maybe it was on the huge thread on IG), was keeping the reservoir from going stale. I had an airstone in it, let it pretty much get to empty before adding more water, sealed, black, and it still would stink more and more. I actually added bleach (which is recommended not to do because it "eats" the tubing) and it helps, but you have to keep adding it which is kind of scary.

SamsonsRiddle said:

Hey gr865! Nice to see you starting your next journal. World of Hempy is going to miss your updates, i'm sure.

Have you worked with the blumats before? I actually just finished my first grow with them and it was so nice getting away from hand watering.

Couple things I did, not sure how effective it all was but here ya go:
I used a product called "drip clean" that is supposed to keep the lines from getting clogged, and since i used distribution drippers i wanted to be safe. I also bought the little stands to hold the drippers up away from my promix, but had to keep moving them up because your roots will actually grow into your distribution drippers overnight if you don't put them a couple inches (at least) above your medium.
If you are going to use anything organic (or semi-organic like floralicious plus) then water it in.
The hardest part for me after getting a good drip rate (i think i read somewhere 8 seconds between drip from when pot is saturated for coco, maybe it was on the huge thread on IG), was keeping the reservoir from going stale. I had an airstone in it, let it pretty much get to empty before adding more water, sealed, black, and it still would stink more and more. I actually added bleach (which is recommended not to do because it "eats" the tubing) and it helps, but you have to keep adding it which is kind of scary.

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Use yucca as a surfactant keeps lines clear and feeds bennies.. a pinch per 5 gallons... raw..

SamsonsRiddle said:

Hey gr865! Nice to see you starting your next journal. World of Hempy is going to miss your updates, i'm sure.

Have you worked with the blumats before? I actually just finished my first grow with them and it was so nice getting away from hand watering.

Couple things I did, not sure how effective it all was but here ya go:
I used a product called "drip clean" that is supposed to keep the lines from getting clogged, and since i used distribution drippers i wanted to be safe. I also bought the little stands to hold the drippers up away from my promix, but had to keep moving them up because your roots will actually grow into your distribution drippers overnight if you don't put them a couple inches (at least) above your medium.
If you are going to use anything organic (or semi-organic like floralicious plus) then water it in.
The hardest part for me after getting a good drip rate (i think i read somewhere 8 seconds between drip from when pot is saturated for coco, maybe it was on the huge thread on IG), was keeping the reservoir from going stale. I had an airstone in it, let it pretty much get to empty before adding more water, sealed, black, and it still would stink more and more. I actually added bleach (which is recommended not to do because it "eats" the tubing) and it helps, but you have to keep adding it which is kind of scary.

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Thanks for coming by SR, I still drop in to see what's up with you Hempy guys. I have just not been able to meet my needs med wise with my Hempy grows. Hell most to those grows would have been fine except for me, LOL So I though I would try another method as this whole thing is such a fun hobby and it provides the meds I need and I know where they come from and not off the damn street.

This is my first blumat experience, so any advice is a good thing. Yes I have heard of Drip Clean and will be using it. And I have some dripper stakes to keep the lines away from the coco.
No I will not be using anything organic, it is just too damn hot in my part of the world to keep a rez cool enough to prevent it from going bad. I will be using GH Flora Micro and Bloom, cal/mag and some Epsom. I will also be aerating the 10 gallon rez, although I plan to only use 5 to 7 gallons, will not change the rez unless i see something going bad.
I will also be adding SM 90 for fungal gnat control and Cannazym for root health.
And last but not least I will be keeping my ppm at a fairly low level, 500 to 650 for the entire grow.
Hope you stop by often and throw in any advice you my have.

Peace Bro,
GR

Ok today I will be transplanting from the solo's to the 2 gallon smart pots.
Everything is in place, plants will be 3 weeks old from seeds this coming Wed. Neglected them a bit starting off but the are now beginning to take off.
So my setup is complete, number of changes made from original concept.
5 - two gallon smart pots with Canna coco.
Blumat water system with a 10 gallon rez. Have yet to begin setting it up, going to hand water for a couple of weeks to establish the plants in the smart pots.
GH FloraMicro and FloraBloom, 4ml/6ml with 1.5ml Cal/Mag and 1 gram Epsom. Will be adjusted so I can achieve 500 to 650 ppm. Some starter nutes now but that ends the second week after transplant. Water/nutes at a lighter rate till establishment.
4x4x6'7" Gorilla Grow Tent Lite
400W Eye Hortilux Super HPS hung vertical.
40"x18" screens, plants will be tied to the screen, not a vertical SCrog.
Upgraded from a noisy 4" Wind Tunnel Vortex fan to a 6" Max Pro Series, 420 cfm with 6" intake and 6" exhaust, should be plenty of air for my 104 sq ft tent. Also Ideal fan speed controller.

6,000 BTU A/C added to the 56 sq ft room that will be used to draw intake air.

Two strains to chose 5 plants, Big Buddha Blue Cheese (3) and Barney's Farm Critical Kush (2).
I have 4 plants of each strain, tough decision is which ones to pick for the grow. Anyone near Houston need 1 Blue Cheese and 2 Critical Kush feminized. May keep them for a bit in one gallon pots until I see the 2 gallon smart pot group is doing well.
Which would you chose for 5 plants???
Blue Cheese on the right and Critical Kush on the left.

More pics after transplant.

I would like to thank all of you who have helped guide me along the path of this new grow technique. You have given me many options to select from and I appreciate all the suggestions and comments.

Hope y'all stick around for this project and provide more of you valuable information. Planning on going into 12/12 around the middle of August.

Peace out,
GR

Ok, so I am trying my best not to over water. I transplanted from the solo cups to the 2 gallon smart pots on Saturday and gave them a good feeding, a saturation to about 30 to 40% runoff.
How often can I expect to water, in general, as I know each situation is different.
I have been using the feel method, when they feel lite I water them, I know there is a balance but what is it? Any thoughts?
GR

Nice lite green in color, the light outside makes them look pale.

I was ask in a couple of messages to give the info on my screens, I basically got the idea for mine from Ichabod Crane from IC, also Marlo.

First I will give a list of lengths of 1/2" PVC pipe per unit, you can see them in the drawing.

# Length

A. 1 - 12 1/2"
B. 2 - 34 1/2"
C, 2 - 2 1/2"
D. 1 - 5 1/2"
E. 2 - 9 1/2"
F. 2 - 2 1/4"
G. 1 - 7 1/2"

Fittings

6 - T's including the one for the handle
5 - 90 Degree Elbows



Top
1 - A - 12 1/2"



Sides
2 - B - 34 1/2

Bottom piece w/pieces attaching to the base
2 - C - 2 1/2" Just glue the elbow do not glue into the tee!
1 - D - 5 1/2
2 - E - 9 1/2"


Base
2 - F - 2 1/4"
1 - G - 7 1/2"

The screen is 40" x 18" ,
Overall the unit is 52" x 18"

Everything is glued except for the two item C's where they go into the tee. I did this so I can move the top of the screen into and away from the light. I wrapped wire around the two 34 1/2" pieces and twisted it to bind the two Item C's in place.

Not shown is at the end of item G is a elbow, there will be a 6" piece added to the elbow and a tee attached, this will be so I will have a handle to lift the whole screen out of the tent to work on the plant.

I think that is it, if I missed something just ask.

GR

Oh yeah, want to show some pics of the way the stands can lean, if needed.

Ok, planted the ladies in the final home on Saturday. beans soaked for 24 hrs+ then planted in coco solo's on 6/24.
Transplanted into their final home, 2 gallon smart pots on 7/9, about a week behind as I did not pay much attention to them the first week and did not begin feeding until 7/4, but they are all doing well now.


Setup:
4x4x6'7" Gorilla Grow Lite Tent
400W Eye Hortilux Super HPS
6" Max Fan, three speed with fan speed reducer, max air exchange is 420 cfm, so that should do well with my 106 CF tent.
Straight Canna Coco 2 gallon Smart Pots
FloraMicro & Bloom, h3ads formula for coco, Minor change going w/4ml Micro, 6ml Bloom plus epsom. 500 to 650 ppm @ 5.8 pH.
Have not set them up yet I will be using Blumats, 5 carrots setup to be removed from the loop to work on them as needed.
Growing vertical 5 plants, 3 Big Buddha Blue Cheese, 2 Barneys Farm Critical Kush.
That's all I got for now. Here are a few pics.


Critical Kush 2 showed a little Mag deficancy on the first two main leaves, but all is good now.


I think the tent is getting a bit to warm, when I pulled them out of the tent to move outside for the day, the leaves had a slight heat hook to them, but after being outside for a bit they reached for the sky.

Question and especially comments are always welcome!


GR

ok, so I have a heat issue.
But not really sure, I have the 400W vertical, intake air is pulled from a 50 aq ft room with a 6000 btu A/C. It is exhausted into the garage.
The room itself is around 60 degrees, and the air measured at the exhaust port is around 77 degrees. The temperature in the room via remote gauge is any where between 85 and 90.
There is a 6" Max Fan pulling air through a 6" Phresh filter.
I am unable to figure out why the intake air is very cool, the exhaust air is cool but the temp in the room is so high. I am going to test a couple of things when I get back from the city later today.
Any Thoughts?

GR

oH yeah, when I take the plants out of the tent in the morning to put them outside in the sunshine the leaves are curled down show some heat stress but within 30 minutes in the sun they are all reaching for the sky, tips pointed up and loving it.

gr865 said:

ok, so I have a heat issue.
But not really sure, I have the 400W vertical, intake air is pulled from a 50 aq ft room with a 6000 btu A/C. It is exhausted into the garage.
The room itself is around 60 degrees, and the air measured at the exhaust port is around 77 degrees. The temperature in the room via remote gauge is any where between 85 and 90.
There is a 6" Max Fan pulling air through a 6" Phresh filter.
I am unable to figure out why the intake air is very cool, the exhaust air is cool but the temp in the room is so high. I am going to test a couple of things when I get back from the city later today.
Any Thoughts?

GR

oH yeah, when I take the plants out of the tent in the morning to put them outside in the sunshine the leaves are curled down show some heat stress but within 30 minutes in the sun they are all reaching for the sky, tips pointed up and loving it.

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Make sure your thermometer is shaded from your light.

DesertGrow89 said:

Yeah I found distilled white vinegar from costco seems to work pretty well and its dirt cheap lol.

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last time i used that as a ph down a week before res change i had a giant brown jellybean at the bottom of my res. Gh solution is like 20 bucks that lasts a good 7-8 months with the amount of plants you have

ttystikk said:

Make sure your thermometer is shaded from your light.

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So it's not really a heat issue, it's heating from the direct light? Aren't the plants getting that same direct light? Sorry but can you give me a bit of explanation.
Thanks TTY!

gr865 said:

So it's not really a heat issue, it's heating from the direct light? Aren't the plants getting that same direct light? Sorry but can you give me a bit of explanation.
Thanks TTY!

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The thermostat is warming up in the light, that's radiant heat. You want air temperature, which is in the shade.

gr865 said:

ok, so I have a heat issue.
But not really sure, I have the 400W vertical, intake air is pulled from a 50 aq ft room with a 6000 btu A/C. It is exhausted into the garage.
The room itself is around 60 degrees, and the air measured at the exhaust port is around 77 degrees. The temperature in the room via remote gauge is any where between 85 and 90.
There is a 6" Max Fan pulling air through a 6" Phresh filter.
I am unable to figure out why the intake air is very cool, the exhaust air is cool but the temp in the room is so high. I am going to test a couple of things when I get back from the city later today.
Any Thoughts?

GR

oH yeah, when I take the plants out of the tent in the morning to put them outside in the sunshine the leaves are curled down show some heat stress but within 30 minutes in the sun they are all reaching for the sky, tips pointed up and loving it.

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I got a 14k btu unit in a 15 x 12 ft , night runs w 1200 w , @ 78F. The ac was the only way to fix my set up temp , other wise I wouldn't be able to make through the summer, not without damage the plants. My position makes me a hostage u know , my land lord lives downstairs,lol, yeah I can make up big crazy machines up here. so .... ac. Taking a ride on TTY's words "radiant heat " I never put my termometer under shades , so I may have lower temps than I prior thought , the ac is set up on 73f. huh ...... thanks again TTY.
peace.

Thanks TTy, that was my conclusion also.

Happy Bday to my new ladies, they are three weeks old today! 7/14
Just some Bday pics taken this morning!


This pic was taken on 7/10, nice growth for 4 days.


Low ppm, I have only watered twice since they went into the two gallon smart pots, Early Saturday and late Tuesday. Think I could have waited till Wed. but got antsy. I will probably not water again until late Sat. or sometime Sunday.

Still have that heat issue, I put the remote temp sensor behind the pots, out of direct radiant heat, put a smaller fan to recirculate the air in the tent, put the fan blowing onto the light and toward the filter on low and turned down the 6" Max Fan to as low as I could get it. Temp got to 88 degrees last night.
Making some adjustments tonight, will put the fan below the light on it's mid setting and change the position of the recirculating air fan about two feet in the air with the intake ducting right next to it. Will let you know how it goes. I have just got to get control over the heat, don't want know lite and airy buds.

GR

FRajole, the room the 6,000 btu A/C is a 7 x 8 x 8, and that air is being pulled into a 104 cu ft tent.

Temps have leveled off, lights on 85 to 86 degrees. The plants have been moved outside during the day, from around 8 AM till after 6 PM. Then they are under the lights the rest of the night. I am hoping that when I move the plants into the room full time that with the lights off and all environmental controls still in operation I will be able to pull temp in the low seventies, I am sure I will. Then when the outside temps begin to fall it should be somewhere in the low 80's with lights on and high 60's with lights off.
This is my intake vent, tied to my eventual rez stand with a fan pushing air down to the corner of the the tent.

I have also turned my fan under the light up to med and that seams to helping my heat issues.


I had the one Blue Cheese and 2 Critical Kush plants that were extra to this grow. Planted them in soil, high in compost, with lots of perlite and growstones and they were doing fine. Keeping them in hopes of finding a home for them, have contacted two folks I know that grow in my area and they had all they can handle for the season. They have been doing fine, have not watered in about six days and the moisture is fine, this morning I went out and the BC and one CK were just clipped off that the soil line. Not sure why, I still have the on CK that I am hoping to find a home for, would grow in the back yard but I have a Hwy Patrol officer living behind me. Nice guy but I am sure he would do his job.

Well here are a couple of pics of the ladies in coco 22 days since sprout. Another 4 to 6 weeks veg then flip.



GR

gr865 said:

Temps have leveled off, lights on 85 to 86 degrees. The plants have been moved outside during the day, from around 8 AM till after 6 PM. Then they are under the lights the rest of the night. I am hoping that when I move the plants into the room full time that with the lights off and all environmental controls still in operation I will be able to pull temp in the low seventies, I am sure I will. Then when the outside temps begin to fall it should be somewhere in the low 80's with lights on and high 60's with lights off.
This is my intake vent, tied to my eventual rez stand with a fan pushing air down to the corner of the the tent.
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I have also turned my fan under the light up to med and that seams to helping my heat issues.
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I had the one Blue Cheese and 2 Critical Kush plants that were extra to this grow. Planted them in soil, high in compost, with lots of perlite and growstones and they were doing fine. Keeping them in hopes of finding a home for them, have contacted two folks I know that grow in my area and they had all they can handle for the season. They have been doing fine, have not watered in about six days and the moisture is fine, this morning I went out and the BC and one CK were just clipped off that the soil line. Not sure why, I still have the on CK that I am hoping to find a home for, would grow in the back yard but I have a Hwy Patrol officer living behind me. Nice guy but I am sure he would do his job.

Well here are a couple of pics of the ladies in coco 22 days since sprout. Another 4 to 6 weeks veg then flip.

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GR

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It sucks to have someone trespass in your yard and clip your plants.

You might consider running lights for just an hour at midnight on the plants you carry outside all day. The idea is that they won't get a dark period long enough to flower under and you'll save money on power. I'll bet you won't notice much change in growth rates, either.

ttystikk said:

It sucks to have someone trespass in your yard and clip your plants.

You might consider running lights for just an hour at midnight on the plants you carry outside all day. The idea is that they won't get a dark period long enough to flower under and you'll save money on power. I'll bet you won't notice much change in growth rates, either.

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Thanks TTy,
I have them outside for about 10 hours a day, 8:30 AM till around 6:30 PM, so I have had them under the lights for about 15 hours.
I have thought about turning the lights off for a period during the night, maybe turn them on at 7:00 and off at midnight, then back on at 6: AM till 8:00 AM, then outside when feasible. There will be days that they will need to in the tent all day. That would give me 18/6 give or take a half hour or so.
I like the idea of saving some power cost.
I will be raising the light about 3 inches tonight to get them girls a moving toward the light, I just love how when outside their leaves just reach up to the sun.

GR

Them plants looked chewed, stems girdled about an inch from the soil line!, was not sterile soil so could be any thing in there.