New setup advice needed

JSB99

JSB99

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BShillington said:
Beneficial bacteria/fungi. If you don't run a water chiller then you would want to run bennies to keep the harmful fungi like pythium away.

Google Heisenberg Tea for more on that. You can brew a batch with "Myco Madness" and maybe some ancient forest /w some molasses and an aerated bucket.

As for cloners, never built one myself. Just took cuttings, dipped them in gel and plugged them in a little root cube. Roots would pop out the bottom in a few days under light /w a humidome. Always considered building a cloner but never got to it and it didn't really matter in the end.
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Like a propagation tray with a hood and a heat mat (if needed)? Sounds much easier.
 
Beezcheeze

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And all my small pumps together we're louder than my huge massive pump. They quiet down once the tubing is all connected
 
JSB99

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Here's a basic bubbler question: Do you keep the water level at the bottom of the net pots at all times or do you drop the water level as the roots hang lower? That's the way I learned but from what I've been reading, it looks like maintaining the water at the bottom of the net pots are the proper way.
 
Beezcheeze

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The one I built^^ like that website just will spray most all over the bucket. So the water needs to just be above the pump.
 
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JSB99 said:
Do you use rockwool plugs?
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Now I do.

I used to have this tray of brown foam-like root cubes that worked great but I forgot the name and never found it again. I tried another brown cube tray and it turned out to be dirt and broke apart easily. So now I just stick with rockwool since at least it won't fall apart.

I never needed a heat mat since I always stuck the clones under a ~40 W CFL light 24/7 with a humidome - if anything I needed to air it out every now and then to bring the temps down and to keep it from getting infected.

With clones you'll want to move it to a bigger res, even if it's just a small red cup as soon as the roots pop out or they have a chance of contracting pythium due to warm water/low water oxygen content.

As for bubblers, yeah you'll want the water to be right below the pot or maybe even give it half an inch. The roots will head toward water themselves as long as you water the cubes they start in the first few days to keep it alive. Maybe spray it if it's drying out a little fast.
 
JSB99

JSB99

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BShillington said:
Now I do.

I used to have this tray of brown foam-like root cubes that worked great but I forgot the name and never found it again. I tried another brown cube tray and it turned out to be dirt and broke apart easily. So now I just stick with rockwool since at least it won't fall apart.

I never needed a heat mat since I always stuck the clones under a ~40 W CFL light 24/7 with a humidome - if anything I needed to air it out every now and then to bring the temps down and to keep it from getting infected.

With clones you'll want to move it to a bigger res, even if it's just a small red cup as soon as the roots pop out or they have a chance of contracting pythium due to warm water/low water oxygen content.

As for bubblers, yeah you'll want the water to be right below the pot or maybe even give it half an inch. The roots will head toward water themselves as long as you water the cubes they start in the first few days to keep it alive. Maybe spray it if it's drying out a little fast.
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Thanks
 
dbkick

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BShillington said:
Now I do.

I used to have this tray of brown foam-like root cubes that worked great but I forgot the name and never found it again. I tried another brown cube tray and it turned out to be dirt and broke apart easily. So now I just stick with rockwool since at least it won't fall apart.

I never needed a heat mat since I always stuck the clones under a ~40 W CFL light 24/7 with a humidome - if anything I needed to air it out every now and then to bring the temps down and to keep it from getting infected.

With clones you'll want to move it to a bigger res, even if it's just a small red cup as soon as the roots pop out or they have a chance of contracting pythium due to warm water/low water oxygen content.

As for bubblers, yeah you'll want the water to be right below the pot or maybe even give it half an inch. The roots will head toward water themselves as long as you water the cubes they start in the first few days to keep it alive. Maybe spray it if it's drying out a little fast.
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Rapid rooters. Root Riot. Both are good , much better than rockwool.
Sounds like you had a tray of peat pellets. Not soil but peat and they expand.
Best bet is root riot since theyre a bit cheaper than rapid rooters.
 
Beezcheeze

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dbkick said:
Rapid rooters. Root Riot. Both are good , much better than rockwool.
Sounds like you had a tray of peat pellets. Not soil but peat and they expand.
Best bet is root riot since theyre a bit cheaper than rapid rooters.
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ive used both riot and rapid. They seem to work about the same. But man they spit out tons of roots. There's this stuff I got to try forget what it's called. It's powder in a back and is live bacteria suppposed to shave a few days off clone root time
 
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Beez post: 11266413 said:
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ive used both riot and rapid. They seem to work about the same. But man they spit out tons of roots. There's this stuff I got to try forget what it's called. It's powder in a back and is live bacteria suppposed to shave a few days off clone root time
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I use xtreme gardening wettable mycos initially ev3n though the rooters have it and add a bit whenever I think they might need it. Ive recently started using ful-power thru every stage
I also use flying skull z7 and ive never seen my roots so healthy.
 
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dbkick said:
Rapid rooters. Root Riot. Both are good , much better than rockwool.
Sounds like you had a tray of peat pellets. Not soil but peat and they expand.
Best bet is root riot since theyre a bit cheaper than rapid rooters.
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Is root riot sponge-like or does it break apart easily? Those might be what I've been looking for a long time now.
 
JSB99

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Trying to figure out the size air pump I need to run for my 6 bucket setup. I'm going to use 8 gallon buckets with 8" round air stones. I'm looking to push the most air I can without destroying the stones and without an obscene amount of noise (but that's negotiable). I was looking at the air force pro pumps.

From what I can figure, the air force pro 60 http://hydrobuilder.com/linear-air-pump-60.html?dzid=strands_746510 seems robust enough.

Here are the specs:
  • Voltage: 120 V
  • Frequency: 60Hz
  • Rated Pressure: 2.1 PSI
  • Airflow: 68 LPM
  • Amperage: 1.7 A

If that's not enough (or I can push it more), would the pro 80 be better? Here are the specs:
  • Voltage: 120 V
  • Frequency: 60Hz
  • Rated Pressure: 2.1 PSI
  • Airflow: 86 LPM
  • Amperage: 1.9 A

If there is a different brand of pump I should be looking at or different air stones to consider, please charm in.
 
JSB99

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Also, it states that you use the ecoplus trumpet style manifolds with these. In reality, can I use any manifold?
 
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Yeah sorry, I've got one of those large pumps lying around but it was never worth it for me to use it. I just wound up sticking with tiny pumps, one or two for each bucket.

The problem with large pumps is not only the sound it makes but also the extra heat it pumps into your water.

Unless you're running aeroponics or those perforated tubes that require high PSI, they're almost never worth it imo.

Also, for the manifold style, in reality you can use anything you can tape together and not have it leak. It's just air after all.
 
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