New Nutrient line? +Rep

MidnightJoker

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I am currently using the FoxFarm trio of nutes (Grow Big, Big Bloom, Tiger Bloom) and I have had some great success with that, but I ran into a problem with my current grow. I had a nutrient lock-out which resulted in a Cal/Mag deficiency in one of my plants.

That got me to thinking that maybe I should try out another line of nutes, specifically Botanicare. What keeps me from going with it tho, is the low levels of NPK. Do you think I should stay with my FoxFarm trio and add some Cha-Ching, Open Sesame, and Beastie Bloomz?

I have read to stay away from granule nutrients due to their slow release, but I was wondering if anyone has tried this line of the FoxFarm nutes and what were your thoughts on it.

Any help is appreciated.
MJ
 

IVIars

Active Member
Floranova grow and bloom. One bottle that has everything, Botanicare is good too. I liked the GO line, except my Lemon Skunk Diesel had a N deficiency with it.
 

homebrewer

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I am currently using the FoxFarm trio of nutes (Grow Big, Big Bloom, Tiger Bloom) and I have had some great success with that, but I ran into a problem with my current grow. I had a nutrient lock-out which resulted in a Cal/Mag deficiency in one of my plants.
Nutrient lockout is caused by over-feeding or a medium with poor drainage. Personally I don't like to blame products for creating issues that I caused myself.
 

Motherhugger

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I am currently using the FoxFarm trio of nutes (Grow Big, Big Bloom, Tiger Bloom) and I have had some great success with that, but I ran into a problem with my current grow. I had a nutrient lock-out which resulted in a Cal/Mag deficiency in one of my plants.

That got me to thinking that maybe I should try out another line of nutes, specifically Botanicare. What keeps me from going with it tho, is the low levels of NPK. Do you think I should stay with my FoxFarm trio and add some Cha-Ching, Open Sesame, and Beastie Bloomz?

I have read to stay away from granule nutrients due to their slow release, but I was wondering if anyone has tried this line of the FoxFarm nutes and what were your thoughts on it.

Any help is appreciated.
MJ
Wow. You sound a little all over the place.

Personally, I would suggest somethign like AN's Jungle Juice. It's a three-part system that is just like GH's system - but it's far cheaper.

Now, truth be told, I haven't quite gotten aroudn to using the Jungle Juice yet, because I'm working through my other AN nute bundle:

Sensi Grow, Bloom A&B
Bud Candy
Big Bud
Voodoo Juice
B-52
Overdrive

And I gotta go with what homebrewwer said. If you're screwing up your grow on your own, not sure any nutes are going to help. YOu need to know what you're doing too.
 

MidnightJoker

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Nutrient lockout is caused by over-feeding or a medium with poor drainage. Personally I don't like to blame products for creating issues that I caused myself.
I am not so sure that it was a nutrient lockout. I believe it was the lack of a cal/mag throughout the flowering process that caused the problem with one of my White Widows. After doing a lot of reading, White Widow is a very hungry strain and Fox Farm's basic line of trio of do not provide enough P or cal/mag for flowering. Granted, I should have realized that before I grew the strain, but now I know what nutrients the extra 7 seeds I have will need.

The basic trio of FoxFarm nutrients will not work for my next grow of Nirvana AK-48 & Barney's Farm LSD. What I would need to do is to invest some more money into either the rest of the Fox Farm nutrients (Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz ChaChing) which are granular, or start with a new line of nutrients.

I worry about using granular, which I have read in a few books are considered slow release and not as good as a liquid nutrient. So if you or anyone has used the full line of Fox Farm nutrients, or are currently using another full nutrient line that you can recommend, let me know. I was thinking of Botanicare, but I am unsure.

That is the premise of my thread. I am not laying blame on any product, as you can clearly read, or myself. Are your 3k + posts giving you a headache, or is that your period, Nancy? Don't hate, brother.
 

HobbyGrower72

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I use AN's hobbyist line like motherhugger but I've heard nothing but good things about Fox Farm and their nutrients.

I get what homebrewer is saying; basically the nutes might not have been the problem since it appears the lockout only affected one plant. It sounds like you've got a solid regiment so why change? Personally, I wouldn't be so quick to change nutrients having put all that money into them. I'd try to fix it, learn from it, and better luck next time.

The slow release stakes and tablets are definitely something to avoid. Keep it simple. You'll be happy you did.
 

MidnightJoker

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Thanks for the input, I really appreciate it. +rep...I have decided after talking to a few people and reading that I am going to stick with the FoxFarm line of nutrients. I have the trio of nutes and I will be buying the trio of additives along with Botanicare Ca/Mg for my next grow in a month.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
buy advanced and you are supporting a murderer and cocaine importer. wouldnt be any of my selections. most food is the same stuff so not sure why blame the food. i wouldnt change something that we made a mistake on using
 

Harrekin

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buy advanced and you are supporting a murderer and cocaine importer. wouldnt be any of my selections. most food is the same stuff so not sure why blame the food. i wouldnt change something that we made a mistake on using
Source/link/reference please?
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
Wow. You sound a little all over the place.

Personally, I would suggest somethign like AN's Jungle Juice. It's a three-part system that is just like GH's system - but it's far cheaper.

Now, truth be told, I haven't quite gotten aroudn to using the Jungle Juice yet, because I'm working through my other AN nute bundle:

Sensi Grow, Bloom A&B
Bud Candy
Big Bud
Voodoo Juice
B-52
Overdrive

And I gotta go with what homebrewwer said. If you're screwing up your grow on your own, not sure any nutes are going to help. YOu need to know what you're doing too.
You should really read this thread: https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/485086-advanced-nutrients-lie-their-labels.html
It is referenced with evidence from a Governmental Agency.

The only thing "Advanced" about Advanced Nutrients is Fat Mikes waist-line.
 

Cannabisworks

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want the info on gino getting them in shit again...here ya go. there is also video evidence by cops of him out front of the building where the 6 guys where slain taking video and pictures. the is kinda old news up here.
in red is where the name is connected to this

Abbotsford's latest homicide victim, Tyler Dziwak, was identified in court documents this week as a drug trafficker who was an associate of convicted killer Dennis Karbovanec back in 2005.



By Vancouver SunFebruary 3, 2010




Abbotsford's latest homicide victim, Tyler Dziwak, was identified in court documents this week as a drug trafficker who was an associate of convicted killer Dennis Karbovanec back in 2005.
And another victim of a targeted hit, Alfred Walcott, was also named in the document as being a drug trade associate of Karbovanec, Dziwak and Jamie Bacon.
The document was filed by federal Crown prosecutor Paul Riley in support of his appeal of a Provincial Court ruling in June 2008 tossing out 15 gun and drug charges against Jon Bacon, Rayleene Burton and Godwin Cheng.
Lawyers for the trio told the B.C. Court of Appeal Tuesday that Abbotsford Judge Donald Gardner was right when he dismissed the case over breaches by the police of their clients' Charter rights.
But Riley argued in his 31-page brief that Gardner made several errors and that the evidence against the three should be admissible.
The brief reads like a who's who in the Abbotsford drug dealing scene five years ago.
Dziwak, who would have been just 19 in 2005, was mentioned as running "a drug trafficking organization run out of two Abbotsford premises" with Karbovanec.
"Mr. Bacon's brother Jamie Bacon had been seen attending both premises, once in the company of Alcott," the court brief says.
Karbovanec is now serving a life sentence after pleading guilty to three of the Surrey Six murders on Oct. 19, 2007. Jamie Bacon is also charged with murder in the case and remains in pre-trial custody.
Dziwak was stabbed to death Jan. 21, on Ross Road in Abbotsford. His funeral will be held Friday at 1 p.m. at Cascade Community Church.
Walcott was shot to death in Coquitlam in March 2008. The Integrated Homicide Investigation Team said the hit was linked to the drug trade.
Both homicides remain unsolved.
In the brief, Riley laid out the intelligence Abbotsford Police included in their application to get a search warrant in August 2005 for their investigation into Jon Bacon, Burton and Cheng.
Gardner ruled in June 2008 that some of the information was designed to portray Bacon in "the most unfavourable light" and shouldn't have been included.
Riley said that the trafficking investigation began after tips were received in March 2005 that Bacon and Burton were selling drugs out of the Winfield Drive townhouse they shared.
"One complainant listed the licence plates of 14 different vehicles observed at the residence," Riley said. "Much of the detail given by the complainant was corroborated by surveillance, computer database checks, police files and other source information."

Another confidential source told police that Jon Bacon "works for Gino and the Advanced Nutrient guys."

"Although this tip contained no specific allegation of involvement in drug trafficking, it did draw a link between Bacon and Eugene Yordanov," the brief says.


Vehicles associated with Yordanov or his company were seen outside the Winfield condo, Riley noted.
And he said Yordanov was associated with Dustin Haugen, a helicopter pot smuggler who used a landing pad leased by Jon Bacon.
"In 2001, Yordanov and three other men were charged in connection with a drug investigation which involved exportation of large quantities of marijuana across the Canada-U. S. border, although the charges were ultimately stayed."
Police did surveillance on the townhouse from July 27 to August 4, 2005 and "observed frequent comings and goings, brief meetings and involving Mr. Bacon, Ms. Burton and numerous other people, many with prior criminal histories," Riley wrote.

When police arrested Bacon and Cheng in a vehicle Aug. 4, 2005, they found marijuana, ecstasy, cocaine, $2,600 cash, a score sheet, cellphones and a BlackBerry. Burton was arrested in her vehicle a short time later with $88,000 inside. In the townhouse, they found four guns, two silencers, a bulletproof vest, a police uniform and a police scanner.
The trio was held for nine hours before being allowed to contact their lawyers, something Gardner also ruled violated their constitutional rights as did their warrantless arrests.
The case rests with the Appeal Court.

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Jarrod Bacon

Photograph by: Ward Perrin, Vancouver Sun




METRO VANCOUVER - Accused trafficker Jarrod Bacon pledges on his child's head to a police agent that he would follow through with a cocaine deal worth up to $3 million, B.C. Supreme Court heard Wednesday.
But Bacon can be heard on a wiretap from Aug. 13, 2009, saying his best friend will carry out the deal since Bacon was on bail at the time.
"I'm on bail so I can't do it," Bacon told the agent, who can be identified only as GL. "But my friend is a broker. This is what he does for a living . . . . He knows every guy in the game and they all go to him to get their shit."
He said his friend would take all 100 kilos of cocaine that GL planned to bring back from Mexico, picking them up daily in 10 kilo loads.
"Basically boom, boom boom, he can do a 10 every day. He can do this all the time," Bacon said, adding that when his friend learned of the volume of cocaine available "my friend is like hugging me."
Bacon, 28, and co-accused Wayne Scott, 55, were charged in November 2009 with one count of conspiracy to traffic cocaine after an undercover investigation by the Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit. Both have pleaded not guilty.
A series of intercepted calls and meetings between GL, his old friend Scott, and Bacon, who dates Scott's daughter Carly, are at the centre of the Crown's case against the pair.
The Aug. 13, 2009 meeting took place behind Scott's Abbotsford home, Justice Austin Cullen heard.
At the meeting, Bacon described himself as the muscle behind drug operations, rather than the dealer.
"I am going to make sure that nothing f--ks up because . . . I am like I am the f--king enforcer right. I am not the brains. I am just the f--king enforcer. But I have friends like they are geniuses right and this is what they do . . . I don't sell drugs actually. I don't. I am just the goon, right?"
GL repeatedly asked Bacon for a deposit for the cocaine, which he said he was heading to Mexico to pick up within days.
But Bacon said no one is going to hand over a large chunk of cash to someone they don't know, just in case the cocaine doesn't make it into the country.
"What happens if all of a sudden you run off or you f--kin get pinched there," Bacon asked. "They are not going to pay for nothing."
At one point he seemed suspicious of the agent.
"The more you tell me, the more I get worried that maybe this is a set-up," he said.
At the time of the sting, the agent had been friends with Scott for about 20 years, something that Bacon found re-assuring.
"The fact that Wayne's the middleman makes me think that it isn't a set-up," Bacon said a little later in the conversation. " He doesn't want to go to jail and neither do I. The fact that he's the middleman makes me think this is on the up and up."
When GL, who earlier told both Scott and Bacon that he had a Mexican contact linked to cartels, he was concerned he wouldn't be paid, it was Bacon doing the reassuring.
"You would have to be the stupidiest f--king guy in the world to f--k around with a guy who knows the cartels. They'll come down and wipe out my whole family. I would never do that," he said. "I swear on my kid's head that he will get the money."
The court also heard Scott describe a meeting at the Bacon household on Aug. 26, 2009, attended by Bacon's parents Susan and David.
"They know all about this. They were sitting right at the f--king table," Scott said, as he and Bacon wrote details of the deal on a green board.
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Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Jar...#ixzz1cCUVgvfe
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
ive seen test in person where what he says is in his stuff /....isnt or not in the amounts claimed...one was his enzyme...claimed 80 enzyme at the time. tested to have 3 thier days are over products are being pulled off the shelves almost daily now. no legit hydro shop will have anything to do with supporting this type of crew. they been banned from trade shows in some areas as well. they just keep digging a deper hole and i think this one may have broken through the bottom and are about to fall
 

Jack Harer

Well-Known Member
I am currently using the FoxFarm trio of nutes (Grow Big, Big Bloom, Tiger Bloom) and I have had some great success with that, but I ran into a problem with my current grow. I had a nutrient lock-out which resulted in a Cal/Mag deficiency in one of my plants.

That got me to thinking that maybe I should try out another line of nutes, specifically Botanicare. What keeps me from going with it tho, is the low levels of NPK. Do you think I should stay with my FoxFarm trio and add some Cha-Ching, Open Sesame, and Beastie Bloomz?

I have read to stay away from granule nutrients due to their slow release, but I was wondering if anyone has tried this line of the FoxFarm nutes and what were your thoughts on it.

Any help is appreciated.
MJ

Don't be real hung up on high NPK values. The higher the value generally the "hotter" it is and thus more prone to burn. You just use less of it. My primary fert is 2.4-1.4-.6, and does fantastic!!!
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
hi or low npk dosent always say the truth. why ois some in decimals but other around 5 and 6. all same strength, ratio is each company does a diff way of doing those numbers so they realy dont mean to much to say how how or not it is.
 

Jack Harer

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On MOST products, the numbers are pretty accurate. It's just a guide for the ratio of the macro-nutrient levels. The higher numbers only mean higher concentrations. With chemical salt fertilizers, this is not necessarily a good thing, especially in soil. It may be more beneficial in a hydroponic environment. Generally, chemical salt ferts have a much greater tendency to burn roots at higher levels, which I would guess is the reason one monitors PPMs in hydro so closely.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
its ph or lack of food burning. not the food. or food would burn the second we fed them. to much food causes ph to drop- and to acidic on the roots.
and i should have been more clear on the numbers arent that important..i mean that if he follows the bottles recomended dose in ml then it isnt to hot no matter the numbers on n/p/k/. thats why they are there. and we never need to use full amounts the bottles say. that amount isnt needed but also usualy wont harm. just runs out the bottom as its to much for the plant to uptake
 

Harrekin

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its ph or lack of food burning. not the food. or food would burn the second we fed them. to much food causes ph to drop- and to acidic on the roots.
and i should have been more clear on the numbers arent that important..i mean that if he follows the bottles recomended dose in ml then it isnt to hot no matter the numbers on n/p/k/. thats why they are there. and we never need to use full amounts the bottles say. that amount isnt needed but also usualy wont harm. just runs out the bottom as its to much for the plant to uptake
Again with the nutrient burn doesnt exist thing? Jesus Christ man, stfu, you're just plain wrong.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
prove me wrong then. i keep askin but yet to see any proof. how come i get burn when i did use food. all water...how was it food then. you obviuous dont get what goes on under the medium and what actualy is the cause.
what is it about the food that causes it to burn then. cant say the plant ate to much because we cant force food into a plant if it dosent need it.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
why havent my seedlings couple weeks old being fed full feed of about 800 tds from day 1 not burnt them yet. im now middle week 3 and look perfect. not a mark or deff. pics are in journal for the non believers. water right and then dont have the issue of nute build up to mess up the medium to make them deff. instead of continuously saying im wrong with no info to dissprove or prove food can burn a plant why not just try it. i never used to believe either till i studies what suberin did for a plant and actualy had a better undertsanding of how plants feed...took me almost 20 year to wake up. hope it isnt that long for you. my food use had been cut in half an smoke has improved huge
 
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