Pureblood89
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Clear = High THC, No CBN
Cloudy = Higher THC, Moderate CBN
Amber = Higher CBN, Low THC
Is what I got from that article.
Cloudy = Higher THC, Moderate CBN
Amber = Higher CBN, Low THC
Is what I got from that article.
New High Times Suggests Harvesting Earlier...RIU Rejoice!
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Hudsonvalley82
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CBN is like methadone for THC, it binds to the THC receptors and blocks the THC from activating the nervous response it should at those receptors. Every bit of CBN is anti-THC. Granted each strain is different, but harvesting when you begin to see milky trichs is a pretty good indicator of highest potency and lowest CBN. I wouldn't go as far a having half cloudy, especially since I do 48 of dark once I spot some cloudy trichs. Two days after you see half cloudy, you are already seeing amber here and there, fully ready to negate all the THC in those milky trichs.
Alex Kelly
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I agree completely. Due to this thread. IMO, when harvesting a sativa cannabis plant, look for the very first cloudy trichromes on the plant and throw it into darkness. I could definately understand harvesting indicas later on for more of a couchlock high due to higher CBD (not CBN). N thx Captain. Knowlege and help is what I seek.
Alex Kelly
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Alex Kelly
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Me too. And great info Hudson!!!
Hudsonvalley82
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Pureblood89
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Not really, Methadone is an almost perfect agonist, it blocks all opiate receptors in the brain. Cannabinol is a very weak agonist, it binds to cb1 and cb2 receptors in the brain, but it's affinity is much weaker than that of THC, which means the bonds are weaker and don't happen as they do with THC. Cannabinol in any amount cannot fully cancel the affect of THC.
Hudsonvalley82
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Very true, but it sure can dampen the blow of THC. And one would be advised to do what you can to limit the CBN in the marijuana being produced. Is that not true?
The methadone reference was a touch more idealistic to portray (albeit loosely) the activity of CBN in the brain. The affinity is weaker, yet present.
To save typing, and to probably reiterate something already displayed in this forum somewhere:
Tetrahydrocannabinol - THC
Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all cannabis in concentrations that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.
In very potent strains, carefully prepared marijuana can be 30 percent delta-9 THC by dry weight (seeds and stems removed from flowering buds). Buds are the popular name given to masses of female flowers that form distinct clusters.
Delta 8-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-8 THC is reported in low concentration, less than one percent of the delta-9 THC present. Its activity is slightly less than that of delta-9 THC. It may be an artefact of the extraction/analysis process. Almost everyone who uses the term THC, refers to delta-9 THC and delta-8 THC combined, as THC.
Cannabidiol - CBD
Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.
In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.
CBD appears to potentiate the depressant effects of THC and antagonize is excitatory effects. CBD also delays the onset of the high but can make it last considerably longer (as much as twice as long). The kind of grass that takes a while to come on but keeps coming on.
Opinions are conflicting as to whether it increases or decreases the intensity of the high, intensity and high being difficult to define. Terms such as knock-out or sleepy, dreamlike, or melancholic are often used to describe the high from grass with sizeable proportions of CBD and THC.
When only small amounts of THC are present with high proportions of CBD, the high is more of a buzz, and the mind feels dull and the body de-energized.
Cannabinol - CBN
Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.
Source: http://www.420magazine.com/forums/cannabis-facts-information/76763-marijuana-cannabinoids-thc-cbd-cbn.html
A little break down of the big 3 cannabinoids. Long story short - CBN = Bad.
The methadone reference was a touch more idealistic to portray (albeit loosely) the activity of CBN in the brain. The affinity is weaker, yet present.
To save typing, and to probably reiterate something already displayed in this forum somewhere:
Tetrahydrocannabinol - THC
Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all cannabis in concentrations that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.
In very potent strains, carefully prepared marijuana can be 30 percent delta-9 THC by dry weight (seeds and stems removed from flowering buds). Buds are the popular name given to masses of female flowers that form distinct clusters.
Delta 8-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-8 THC is reported in low concentration, less than one percent of the delta-9 THC present. Its activity is slightly less than that of delta-9 THC. It may be an artefact of the extraction/analysis process. Almost everyone who uses the term THC, refers to delta-9 THC and delta-8 THC combined, as THC.
Cannabidiol - CBD
Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all strains. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.
In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.
CBD appears to potentiate the depressant effects of THC and antagonize is excitatory effects. CBD also delays the onset of the high but can make it last considerably longer (as much as twice as long). The kind of grass that takes a while to come on but keeps coming on.
Opinions are conflicting as to whether it increases or decreases the intensity of the high, intensity and high being difficult to define. Terms such as knock-out or sleepy, dreamlike, or melancholic are often used to describe the high from grass with sizeable proportions of CBD and THC.
When only small amounts of THC are present with high proportions of CBD, the high is more of a buzz, and the mind feels dull and the body de-energized.
Cannabinol - CBN
Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.
Source: http://www.420magazine.com/forums/cannabis-facts-information/76763-marijuana-cannabinoids-thc-cbd-cbn.html
A little break down of the big 3 cannabinoids. Long story short - CBN = Bad.
It's up to the grower and their personal preference, and the strain of weed as well. If my stigmas are all still white and the calyxes haven't swelled yet, I don't care what color the trichomes are, it ain't done.
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Pureblood89
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I'm gonna try 50/50 clear to milky, It's makes sense when you think about. Clear trichomes mean that the CBD is breaking down into THC faster than the older THC is degrading into CBN, milky means it's just reached it's zenith and is starting the degradation process, the older THC is degrading faster than new THC can be created. So basically half are slightly before their prime, and half are just past their prime, wouldn't you be at peak THC right in the middle?
CaptainCAVEMAN
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THANK YOU hudson! That answers my original question!
Plagerize much?
Hudsonvalley82
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CBD isn't really the mother of THC, Carboxylic acid is. Carboxylic acid breaks down into THC and CBD as well as the rest of the cannabinoid crew. That cloudiness is only an indicator of cannabinoid presence, not THC. Try it at 25% cloudy. After a good cure that should do you. You really want the most even carboxylic acid to THC ratio, not the CBD to THC ratio. That is found when you get around 1/4 cloudy for the plant, which would indicate that the younger trichs have now gotten into the ball park of where you want them to be. The remainder of the oxidation is in the cure, in which that residual carboxylic acid oxidizes (which actually isn't the correct term) into THC, some CBD and other cannabinoids. That lands you with the highest amount of THC and the lowest amount of CBN when things are cured and done.
Im not trying to make a big deal out of this, but I am learning quite a bit, so this back and forth is pretty awesome.
Im not trying to make a big deal out of this, but I am learning quite a bit, so this back and forth is pretty awesome.
TheOrganic
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Im sorry but that was the most fucking stupid post Ive seen yet fuck me I hope the world does end in 2012.
Not about why even flower sorry wrong reply....the guy saying about harvesting in what 5weeks OMG someone shoot me please!
Mother's Finest
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It doesn't matter what anyone says about when to harvest, even the breeder of the strain. Pot is finished when the people smoking it most enjoy it. Advice can be helpful with a strain you have no experience with but even then, tricks like the microwave quick-dry technique can tell you better than any person how the plant's high is progressing.
TheOrganic
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You said it man. Pick small buds when you think your ready and quick dry too tell what you like. I never used MICRowave but putting a small bud on your coffee table for a day and a half works too or in a wooden drawer.
By the way how do you use your micro. too dry curious?
TheOrganic
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Fucking word bro all this is hear say find out yourself!!!!!
Mother's Finest
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Not really these days. We already know how our strain looks at each stage of ripeness, so the only thing testing buds does for our plants is to give them a little stress. When we've started new strains in the past, we'd start one plant three weeks earlier than the others and microwave a tiny sample of it every 5-6 days or so as harvest approaches. Once we found the ideal ripeness, the other plants got cut down after a few days less flowering than the first.
newworldicon
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There's truth in that last statement!
TheOrganic
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Sounds like that scientist got high off is study bunch of crap its a fucking weed. Find your keeper and go!
I bet smart growers have the same exp. as this guy and did the same thing.