New fellar. Hey guys!

c4ulater

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Yup.. and there will come a time that I will do my best to convert you to hydro...hahahaha... but would like for you to get plenty of hands-on experience with soil first, especially in terms of deficiencies/tox, and how to fix.. pests, and how to handle - things of that sort.
By all means, sure ! I like the idea of the organic soil because it doesn't require feedings. Just seems more simple for someone like me who doesn't have experience. NOT saying people who do grow organic don't have knowledge/experience. I'm sure 90% of this style of growing is all grower.

I looked into (I mean ever so little) hydro. But seems like a whole new level or learning. Not to mention having to buy new things (Money is not a problem though) !
 

c4ulater

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I didn't think about the peak hour thing either until flowering began :/ I've been bumping the lights off and on time back 15 minutes every day (sometimes every other I'm forgetful!) to correct it. Now I'm up to 6.5 hours of my on time being low cost. Can't wait to see my bill difference!
Power bill didn't seem to increase for me at all. Lol . 15$ maybe? How much did yours go up?
 

Figong

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By all means, sure ! I like the idea of the organic soil because it doesn't require feedings. Just seems more simple for someone like me who doesn't have experience. NOT saying people who do grow organic don't have knowledge/experience. I'm sure 90% of this style of growing is all grower.

I looked into (I mean ever so little) hydro. But seems like a whole new level or learning. Not to mention having to buy new things (Money is not a problem though) !
It is a completely different beast, yes.. but we have some of the best cannabis growers, troubleshooters, and plant geneticists in the world on RIU as we know it so help is easily found, or accessable. We have more than a few well-known breeders here. You're amongst good company.
 

Figong

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Power bill didn't seem to increase for me at all. Lol . 15$ maybe? How much did yours go up?
3 1000W HPS ((3kWH total) * 12 on) = 36 kWH.. 36kWH / day * 30 days = adds up .. as a hypothetical example - and that wouldn't factor other lights for the 18 on veg time in a separate spot either (if/as your grow expands)
 

c4ulater

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It is a completely different beast, yes.. but we have some of the best cannabis growers, troubleshooters, and plant geneticists in the world on RIU as we know it so help is easily found, or accessable. We have more than a few well-known breeders here. You're amongst good company.
I sent you a friend request - it's nice to know good people that are sociably nice :) . I learn fast - but local growers here are stubborn and I guess they don't want me to step on their toes. I actually don't smoke. I just purely love the plant and what it has to offer for other people.. :peace:

But all in all seriousness. If you ever want to help me from scratch - I'm willing to learn. I'm a easy student!
 

c4ulater

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3 1000W HPS ((3kWH total) * 12 on) = 36 kWH.. 36kWH / day * 30 days = adds up .. as a hypothetical example - and that wouldn't factor other lights for the 18 on veg time in a separate spot either (if/as your grow expands)

I'm sure it will have to expand. I don't see my self only being able to work with a 4 x 4 x 6.5 . I constantly want to grow / crop. But - at least I have a start. I still have all my CFL lights I could use for backup.
 

Figong

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I sent you a friend request - it's nice to know good people that are sociably nice :) . I learn fast - but local growers here are stubborn and I guess they don't want me to step on their toes. I actually don't smoke. I just purely love the plant and what it has to offer for other people.. :peace:

But all in all seriousness. If you ever want to help me from scratch - I'm willing to learn. I'm a easy student!
Have you grown any plant at all in soil? Any phytology/horticulture experience or background? Do you understand basic light spectrum explanations, and how plant photoperiods work? These aren't to determine whether or not you're getting help, will help if you need anytime - just trying to figure out where I should put you to start reading first. :)
 

DrKingGreen

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Power bill didn't seem to increase for me at all. Lol . 15$ maybe? How much did yours go up?
I started as soon as I moved so not sure how much it went up... But I did the calculations and all of my grow equipment together (3 fans, 600whps, heat pad, 2 aquarium style fl's, 2 13w cfls, humidifier) is about $115. Moving the lights and turbo fan to off hours I'm estimating will save me $50-55 a month. $250 electricity bills are killing me, but my gaming, computer equipment, and girlfriends temperature problems play a large part of it as well.
 

c4ulater

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Have you grown any plant at all in soil? Any phytology/horticulture experience or background? Do you understand basic light spectrum explanations, and how plant photoperiods work? These aren't to determine whether or not you're getting help, will help if you need anytime - just trying to figure out where I should put you to start reading first. :)
I only have experience with outdoor work. Nothing to this extreme. I am experiencing problems now. But I'm ruling them out since I've been more active reading on here.

Basically my answer is ; no , I have very little experience with soil (indoor) I do understand the light spectrum and how it works. and plant photoper-a-what? Ha.
 

c4ulater

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I started as soon as I moved so not sure how much it went up... But I did the calculations and all of my grow equipment together (3 fans, 600whps, heat pad, 2 aquarium style fl's, 2 13w cfls, humidifier) is about $115. Moving the lights and turbo fan to off hours I'm estimating will save me $50-55 a month. $250 electricity bills are killing me, but my gaming, computer equipment, and girlfriends temperature problems play a large part of it as well.
Thats insane! Good thing us southerners don't really have to worry about heating things up + adding humidity lol! I'll take all the little help I can get with power saving I guess. I wish Solar Panels were cheap. I'd be all about it ;)
 

Figong

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I only have experience with outdoor work. Nothing to this extreme. I am experiencing problems now. But I'm ruling them out since I've been more active reading on here.

Basically my answer is ; no , I have very little experience with soil (indoor) I do understand the light spectrum and how it works. and plant photoper-a-what? Ha.
Crash course #1: Plant photoperiods.. the photoperiod determines what the plant will be doing (unless it's an autoflower, but we're not going to discuss those at this time... unless that's what you're running.. if you are - you should be on 20/4 from start) The 18/6 nudges the plant into a vegetative state, which is grow, get bigger, keep growing, more roots, solidify what it has... when you do the 12/12 switch, you nudge it into flower mode, and as such, you see it grow even more, as it starts spawning bud sites, eventually developing the bud and the coveted bud porn (trichome-coated sections) .. until it's time to chop/dry/cure.
 

c4ulater

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Crash course #1: Plant photoperiods.. the photoperiod determines what the plant will be doing (unless it's an autoflower, but we're not going to discuss those at this time... unless that's what you're running.. if you are - you should be on 20/4 from start) The 18/6 nudges the plant into a vegetative state, which is grow, get bigger, keep growing, more roots, solidify what it has... when you do the 12/12 switch, you nudge it into flower mode, and as such, you see it grow even more, as it starts spawning bud sites, eventually developing the bud and the coveted bud porn (trichome-coated sections) .. until it's time to chop/dry/cure.
WHELP I just wasted your time with THAT part. I knew that part haha. I just didn't know that was what it meant :( Doh. Yes I started 18/6 for like a month. Decided to go 12/12 last week. However I think I screwed myself with only using 1gal buckets. I need to get some 3gal. Problem is I don't want to keep using MG Organic. I was hoping to finish this off in the 1gal and using my FFOF on the 2nd. But if you think I can handle hydro - > please don't hold back.
 

c4ulater

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For light spectrum crash course, read over this: https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/9582-marijuana-light-spectrum.html - has images, explanation.. others asking questions and those questions fielded. If you have questions on that which don't get covered, by all means feel free to ask. :) When you feel that's good, let me know and I'll recommend a horticulture book for you to start on :D
I used daylight CFLs before I got my 600w lamp. I used the HPS then switched it to MH when I started 12/12
 

Figong

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WHELP I just wasted your time with THAT part. I knew that part haha. I just didn't know that was what it meant :( Doh. Yes I started 18/6 for like a month. Decided to go 12/12 last week. However I think I screwed myself with only using 1gal buckets. I need to get some 3gal. Problem is I don't want to keep using MG Organic. I was hoping to finish this off in the 1gal and using my FFOF on the 2nd. But if you think I can handle hydro - > please don't hold back.
hahaha, no problem.. as for 1 gallon buckets.. the flip from 18/6 to 12/12 may require transplant very soon.. unless you're running a ruderalis strain or something else extremely small - if not, you could start to see random symptoms in the plant that make no sense whatsoever, and they're a pain to troubleshoot. That said, I would keep the soil as it is until the end of the grow. The last thing you'd want to do is try soil -> hydro conversion mid-grow. It can be pulled off, but it takes plenty of patience and there's still a pretty high casualty rate given the methods that are available. (pretty high = over 50%)
 

Figong

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Also.. make sure you google the manufacturer of the MH bulb and look at the spectrum charts they may have up, make sure it's decent in the reds area. :D
 

c4ulater

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hahaha, no problem.. as for 1 gallon buckets.. the flip from 18/6 to 12/12 may require transplant very soon.. unless you're running a ruderalis strain or something else extremely small - if not, you could start to see random symptoms in the plant that make no sense whatsoever, and they're a pain to troubleshoot. That said, I would keep the soil as it is until the end of the grow. The last thing you'd want to do is try soil -> hydro conversion mid-grow. It can be pulled off, but it takes plenty of patience and there's still a pretty high casualty rate given the methods that are available. (pretty high = over 50%)
Sorry I worded that wrong. I'm just so excited to learn and talk to someone who is knowledgeable.

I was speaking for AFTER this grow. I could always use my FFOF for another test run since I will (after my fan arrives) have a proper environment!

I understand general things for hydroponics. I re-wrote how-to's and things-to-do. Mostly as far as just regular maintenance / up keep
 

c4ulater

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Also.. make sure you google the manufacturer of the MH bulb and look at the spectrum charts they may have up, make sure it's decent in the reds area. :D
While purchasing it- I was making sure it had a lot of red in it! haha. I read up a lot on lights. Just didnt want to dish out the money for a 600w system just in case if I was in over my head. I'm loving this more and more!
 

Figong

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While purchasing it- I was making sure it had a lot of red in it! haha. I read up a lot on lights. Just didnt want to dish out the money for a 600w system just in case if I was in over my head. I'm loving this more and more!
There's a few 600w systems that aren't that bad for starting out, you'd eventually want to expand/replace.. or make the initial one a veg light.. but very workable in terms of seeing increased yield to get the ball rolling.
 

c4ulater

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There's a few 600w systems that aren't that bad for starting out, you'd eventually want to expand/replace.. or make the initial one a veg light.. but very workable in terms of seeing increased yield to get the ball rolling.
Yeah. That's a real good idea. Would you say it's more important to have the tent for the flowering stage ? I like the tent idea. It's much easier for me than trying to set up a room to hang shit. Plus it makes venting all that much easier!
 
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