New Danger!

Dfunk

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Our wonderful government & scientific community has developed this wonderful device called HAARP. If you do not know about this look it up & I think you will be shocked to see how they are messing with the atmosphere. This is the ultimate display of ignorance. They say that it won't cause any damage, but this is not something anyone has done before so how could they be sure - I mean they are messing with the very nature of the planet - this can't be good. :cry:
 

kronicsmurf

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I just took a look into this Haarp and there is some who claim it could be used as a weapon. I never trust the government to tell the truth and i wouldn't doubt that they have a sinister motive.
 

Dfunk

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The thing that bothers me is that it is owned by the U.S. Army & U.S. Navy. Why do they own it if it is only a scientific research program?
 

Dfunk

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I wonder if the government could cause undetectable isolated natural disasters with it?
 

wackymack

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can u spell parinoia,and delusional thoughts?if the gov really did that than we would be at fault for global warming,when its everyone that inhabits the planet that contributes to the problem,not our systematicly abbusive country.
 

Dfunk

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Can you spell PARANOIA(corrected)? I do not appreciate having my intelligence insulted because well frankly I'm not stupid. If you research the HAARP you will read that the device has this ability & do you just believe whatever you read? I mean if our government actually did this do you really think you would be informed? I'm not saying they did, but I'm not saying they didn't either! The U.S. government has lied in the past - that's a fact. Global Warming is a goverment hoax created to generate fear & money - plenty of info on that out there. The Weather Channel is currently sueing Al Gore - check it out. We actually do contribute more pollution to the enviroment than any other country in the world already - Fact.
 

AchillesLast

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can u spell parinoia,and delusional thoughts?if the gov really did that than we would be at fault for global warming,when its everyone that inhabits the planet that contributes to the problem,not our systematicly abbusive country.
Are you honestly telling me that the government does not use paranoia and fear to motivate political decisions? I dunno what world you live in. Politians and the government lie to the general public on a daily basis. Look at the Iraqi war. Look at 9/11 for that matter.

Obviously you need some education. Watch these videos below and then lets talk.

YouTube - Some People Lie and Get Away With It

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE
 

pandabear

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dude this haarp shit looks awesome!!! Its GONNA BE THE BOMB DICKLE


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The military says the HAARP system could: [/FONT]

  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Give the military a tool to replace the electromagnetic pulse effect of atmospheric thermonuclear devices (still considered a viable option by the military through at least 1986) [/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Replace the huge Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) submarine communication system operating in Michigan and Wisconsin with a new and more compact technology [/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Be used to replace the over-the-horizon radar system that was once planned for the current location of HAARP, with a more flexible and accurate system [/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Provide a way to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, while keeping the military's own communications systems working [/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Provide a wide area earth-penetrating tomography which, if combined with the computing abilities of EMASS and Cray computers, would make it possible to verify many parts of nuclear nonproliferation and peace agreements [/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Be a tool for geophysical probing to find oil, gas and mineral deposits over a large area [/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Be used to detect incoming low-level planes and cruise missiles, making other technologies obsolete [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The above abilities seem like a good idea to all who believe in sound national defense, and to those concerned about cost-cutting. However, the possible uses which the HAARP records do not explain, and which can only be found in Air Force, Army, Navy and other federal agency records, are alarming. Moreover, effects from the reckless use of these power levels in our natural shield -- the ionosphere -- could be cataclysmic according to some scientists. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Two Alaskans put it bluntly. A founder of the NO HAARP movement, Clare Zickuhr, says "The military is going to give the ionosphere a big kick and see what happens."
The military failed to tell the public that they do not know what exactly will happen, but a Penn State science article brags about that uncertainty. Macho science? The HAARP project uses the largest energy levels yet played with by what Begich and Manning call "the big boys with their new toys." HAARP is an experiment in the sky, and experiments are done to find out something not already known. Independent scientists told Begich and Manning that a HAARP-type "skybuster" with its unforeseen effects could be an act of global vandalism.
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HAARP History
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The patents described below were the package of ideas which were originally controlled by ARCO Power Technologies Incorporated (APTI), a subsidiary of Atlantic Richfield Company, one of the biggest oil companies in the world. APTI was the contractor that built the HAARP facility. ARCO sold this subsidiary, the patents and the second phase construction contract to E-Systems in June 1994. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]E-Systems is one of the biggest intelligence contractors in the world -- doing work for the CIA, defense intelligence organizations and others. $1.8 billion of their annual sales are to these organizations, with $800 million for black projects -- projects so secret that even the United States Congress isn't told how the money is being spent.
E-Systems was bought out by Raytheon, which is one of the largest defense contractors in the world. In 1994 Raytheon was listed as number forty-two on the Fortune 500 list of companies. Raytheon has thousands of patents, some of which will be valuable in the HAARP project. The twelve patents below are the backbone of the HAARP project, and are now buried among the thousands of others held in the name of Raytheon. Bernard J. Eastlund's U.S. Patent # 4,686,605, "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere; and/or Magnetosphere," was sealed for a year under a government Secrecy Order.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Eastlund ionospheric heater was different; the radio frequency (RF) radiation was concentrated and focused to a point in the ionosphere. This difference throws an unprecedented amount of energy into the ionosphere. The Eastlund device would allow a concentration of one watt per cubic centimeter, compared to others only able to deliver about one millionth of one watt. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This huge difference could lift and change the ionosphere in the ways necessary to create futuristic effects described in the patent. According to the patent, the work of Nikola Tesla in the early 1900's formed the basis of the research. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What would this technology be worth to ARCO, the owner of the patents? They could make enormous profits by beaming electrical power from a powerhouse in the gas fields to the consumer without wires. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For a time, HAARP researchers could not prove that this was one of the intended uses for HAARP. In April, 1995, however, Begich found other patents, connected with a "key personnel" list for APTI. Some of these new APTI patents were indeed a wireless system for sending electrical power. Eastlund's patent said the technology can confuse or completely disrupt airplanes' and missiles' sophisticated guidance systems. Further, this ability to spray large areas of Earth with electromagnetic waves of varying frequencies, and to control changes in those waves, makes it possible to knock out communications on land or sea as well as in the air. [/FONT]
 

Dfunk

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That was a great post!!! That's most def a rep! Excellent job on locating those facts - actual facts & I hate to agree with all these crazy ideas out there, but I believe the scientists have already performed a few horrible experiments. If you look on Youtube there are pictures of the sky in China several minutes before the earthquake. Looks pretty dosen't it? Get my point? Think of all the recent worldwide natural disaters - all natural,maybe.
 

AchillesLast

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That was a great post!!! That's most def a rep! Excellent job on locating those facts - actual facts & I hate to agree with all these crazy ideas out there, but I believe the scientists have already performed a few horrible experiments. If you look on Youtube there are pictures of the sky in China several minutes before the earthquake. Looks pretty dosen't it? Get my point? Think of all the recent worldwide natural disaters - all natural,maybe.
Just to support what he said I found a youtube of the clouds YouTube - 10 mins before the 2008 Sichuan earthquake in China. I am actually somewhat interested in this HAARP business now. Time to go get informed...
 

Dfunk

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Yes - that's the way - get informed! Tell everyone you know. These type of things you don't hear much about on the news, but I think if the government is going to test something like that the people should most definately know.
 

pandabear

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yea but im pretty sure i think these things get release from the earth right before an earthquake happens like strange gases and stuff maybe from the inner earth?


i just cant see how something in the atmosphere could cause quakes maybe magnetically?


anyway if the USA did this with HAARP then you damn well be sure a war would have been ignited between the people republic of China and the United States of America.


also maybe what haarp is doing is no more harmful than when there is a flare up of sunspots on the sun that disrups power and comminucation i cant see how we could generate more power than that type of incident.
 

Dfunk

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I'm no scientist, but from what I have read HAARP could cause an earthquake with enough power. It basically pushes the ionosphere up & when it rebounds(comes back down) it sends like energy waves of some sort back down to the ground that penetrate the surface. When this energy gets to a certain point it kinda liquifies a layer of rock I think. This causes upper layers to quickly drop onto the liquified layers creating a artificial & untraditional earthquake. There is a video on youtube pertaining to this info. Look up that Eastlund fellow on youtube & scan through all the videos worth watching. This is where I heard him or maybe it was some scientist make this claim.
 

AchillesLast

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An interesting and very thorough article I found on HAARP. Viewzone// HAARP: Weapons of Total Distruction? I have also been watching on youtube as of this post for different connections between "natural" disasters and potential use of HAARP. This article claims that Eastlund guy as savior because HAARP could have many potential humane uses. For example, by controlling the ionosphere, you can control the weather. By controlling the weather we could make climates more temperate and allow rain to fall in a more steady pattern allow crops to have amazing yields all the time. However, the author also concludes saying that HAARP will be actuallized as more of a "death ray" then a humane device. I'm going to go watch some of Eastlund's videos on youtube.
 

Dfunk

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Very informative article - Thanx! I wonder if it is already being used by the military?
 

Dfunk

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The public needs to be more aware of these programs - what's with all the secrets around the governments these days? They've always been secret, but it seems like lately they been pumping more & more shit into the media to keep people distracted.
 
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