New Business Methodology

chewberto said:

Let me first tell you what you need to do Ralph Macchio.
Stop implicating yourself on RIU! I hear It's ran by the Feds.
Hope this helps.

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Hmm thought I said NSA? Bro do you even lift?

The problem with being small time is that you're a SAFE target for lazy cops. They know you're not a threat, so they bust in on you all big n badass, knowing they get to be the intimidators.

Nothing worse than a coward with a badge, except maybe the one whose badge says 'sheriff'.

ttystikk said:

The problem with being small time is that you're a SAFE target for lazy cops. They know you're not a threat, so they bust in on you all big n badass, knowing they get to be the intimidators.

Nothing worse than a coward with a badge, except maybe the one whose badge says 'sheriff'.

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I agree that cops like low-hanging fruit. The advantage of being small time is that if one is careful, it is difficult to appear on LEOs radar. Even if the cops caught me with weed during a deal, I have no ID or phones on me so they wouldn't know who I am or where I live. Once I get to jail and call my lawyer to spring me, what are they left with but a misdemeanor charge?

Look up Barry Cooper never get busted you tube videos

Raphael Mechoulam said:

Thanks so much for your feedback. I didn't explain this correctly: I walk about a block to the next street, and the spot is a driveway to an abandoned business at the end of a residential neighborhood. Many cars stop at this spot, perhaps because it is the last place to park before the highway entrance. It is a nice neighborhood, but lots of foot and car traffic. I feel that there's nothing about me or clients that stand out. I don't bring my wallet or any phones when I go out to meet a client, so if it I get set up, all they'll have is me leaving up to an ounce in a friend's car, which is all I sell at one time in that spot. The reason for this is that weed was recently decriminalized in my city, so getting caught with an ounce or less is a $50 fine and a misdemeanor. I go over this with all clients, no reason to turn me in for such a small offense. All of my clients are upstanding, mostly affluent, tax paying citizens They aren't into shady dealings (beside with me) and I think unlikely to snitch. I do have a couple clients that buy a quarter pound, for those guys I bring down the weed and put it in my trunk before they arrive, and leave the trunk closed but not locked. These guys go to my trunk, put their stuff into a backpack or such and leave the money under a blanket before they actually shut the trunk. No neighbors know me, so I doubt anyone keeps track of what I drive.
My personal cell has nothing incriminating, just "hello" and then "here" texts. I don't know what LEO could do with that, and I don't have it on me when I deal. The business cell that contains the incriminating texts isn't linked to me, and is always at my place without a battery. I can't see how LEO could use that either, and remember, know one knows where I actually live. Someone would have to be seriously staking me out to surmise what I am up to, and the deals are infrequent, maybe every other day and at different times. In that case I could be fucked, but that would be a lot of resources aimed at a small time guy like me with 15 clients. It is a risk, but I think a small one. If I keep being smart, I'm betting that I'll continue to fly under the radar and be just fine...

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the smarter you think you are, the faster you will be caught xD

Dyna Ryda said:

Look up Barry Cooper never get busted you tube videos

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Watched ALL of them, love that fuckin' guy!

Raphael Mechoulam said:

Hey, RIU! I grow weed for the majority of my income in a city where it is not legal. Currently, I grow more than I can sell so I have a growing (pun intended) backlog of weed. The way that I have accumulated my current client base is that I started selling to the people I truly know and trust. Then I told them that every new person they send my way, upon the referee's second purchase I would give the referrer the average amount of weed over the two purchases that the referee bought (up to a half ounce). So, if person A refers person B to me, and B buys a half oz. and a full oz. over 2 purchases, person A would get a full half oz. bonus (the maximum per referee). The main thing being that everyone sent to me is someone somebody really trusts and knows well. I probably have around 15, and looking for more.
The way I currently do things is someone texts me what they need, we set a time, they text me again when they get to the spot near my house, then I meet them at their car for the deal. No one knows where I actually live, as I give a neighbor's address to meet in front of. I don't any of my neighbors personally by design, we simply exchange pleasantries now and again. It is a pretty busy neighborhood, security by obcsurity. Although everything runs smoothly, I now want a greater degree of security. Here is the new system I worked out -
I purchased another phone, and non-smart pre-paid cell which is not linked to my name in any way. It is always off with the battery out. Clients text my original, personal number just to say hi, nothing else. I put in the battery in the business cell and text them back asking which strain, how much, and when. After they text back that info, I promptly take out the battery of the business cell. When they arrive, they text my personal cell with the word, "here", and I walk down to meet them per usual. My personal cell company keeps text records for 6 months, so any incriminating texts should be gone from existence by that time. And since my business cell isn't linked to me and the battery in out 99%+ of the time, it seems like a relatively secure system for a small-time dude like me. Please feel free to try to poke holes in it, and tell me what you think. If you'd like to leave pointers or your own experiences, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!

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You need a security guy



Im for real I was one for my friend


Whenever he went on deals I would pack heat and stand next to him and look around for the police

And if there was trouble then I would take care of it

I did have to once cuz some guy tried to jump him

And I've had to put myself in dangerous situations

Drugs (even weed) makes people do stupid shit to get it


Im like legit serious


One of these days your gonna get either shot at, stolen from, fucked with or have the police roll up on patrol



Thats why most growers dont sell

Plus its hard if you have a large clientele then its alot to keep up with


Then you have to clean your money (which in theory isn't as hard as it sounds)

But really tho find a REALLY big dude and have him go with you on deals


I got a gram per deal plus 25% of the money earned


And on the weekends I would do this 20 times a night

But it was worth it



15 people isn't alot

my friend Darnell had 50 lol

Fuckin Ty LMAO

tytheguy111 said:

You need a security guy
Im for real I was one for my friend
Whenever he went on deals I would pack heat and stand next to him and look around for the police
And if there was trouble then I would take care of it

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Wow. I guess there's nothing much you could do if LEO did roll up, though. Unless you go Transporter on their ass and shot and killed them both. Then you'd have to get rid of the cop car... and the bodies. Fuck, you could be up all night...

I did have to once cuz some guy tried to jump him

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Did you have to shoot the dude?

And I've had to put myself in dangerous situations
Drugs (even weed) makes people do stupid shit to get it

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That's never been my experience. I've heard from coke dealer friends that kind of shit happens, there's often a lot more money involved and people are jacked up and feening. I remember my raging coke habit of the late 90s: I would party and fuck and spend half of each paycheck on that shit. We'd drive 40 miles to get a teenth sometimes, and we had to have it RIGHT NOW. IME it's different with stoners: not too much $ involved (most I've done is quarter pounds so far). $1400 is not an amount to hurt me over with the clientele I have. I would like to start dealing half pounds and pounds to someone. On those deals, I think I'll take your advice and get me a big, bad, heat-packing motherfucker...

Im like legit serious

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I hear you, bro...

of these days your gonna get either shot at, stolen from, fucked with or have the police roll up on patrol

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Well, I hope not. I'm pretty careful and if I may say so, I'm a pretty fuckin' smart dude But, I know that what you speak of could happen, it's a risky business. Ideally, I'd like to deal my 22 oz. per month to less than 5 cool people. That way I would have less risk, even though I'd take a slight hit on my retail pricing...

Thats why most growers dont sell

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I've never knowingly met any other growers IRL, I'm so lonely. It's cool to have you guys to talk to and run things by...

Plus its hard if you have a large clientele then its alot to keep up with
Then you have to clean your money (which in theory isn't as hard as it sounds)

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SO EASY. At least for a small time dude like me. I'm a musician that makes most of his money in cash, anyway, so my banks don't look twice at larger cash deposits (2-3k at at time). And I pay cash for everything I can...

But really tho find a REALLY big dude and have him go with you on deals
I got a gram per deal plus 25% of the money earned
And on the weekends I would do this 20 times a night
But it was worth it

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Yeah, I think I'll do this when my deals get big enough.

15 people isn't a lot
my friend Darnell had 50 lol

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Wow, that's a fucking full time job. I'm too lazy for that Thanks for the good advice...

Raphael Mechoulam said:

Wow. I guess there's nothing much you could do if LEO did roll up, though. Unless you go Transporter on their ass and shot and killed them both. Then you'd have to get rid of the cop car... and the bodies. Fuck, you could be up all night...



Did you have to shoot the dude?



That's never been my experience. I've heard from coke dealer friends that kind of shit happens, there's often a lot more money involved and people are jacked up and feening. I remember my raging coke habit of the late 90s: I would party and fuck and spend half of each paycheck on that shit. We'd drive 40 miles to get a teenth sometimes, and we had to have it RIGHT NOW. IME it's different with stoners: not too much $ involved (most I've done is quarter pounds so far). $1400 is not an amount to hurt me over with the clientele I have. I would like to start dealing half pounds and pounds to someone. On those deals, I think I'll take your advice and get me a big, bad, heat-packing motherfucker...



I hear you, bro...



Well, I hope not. I'm pretty careful and if I may say so, I'm a pretty fuckin' smart dude But, I know that what you speak of could happen, it's a risky business. Ideally, I'd like to deal my 22 oz. per month to less than 5 cool people. That way I would have less risk, even though I'd take a slight hit on my retail pricing...





I've never knowingly met any other growers IRL, I'm so lonely. It's cool to have you guys to talk to and run things by...



SO EASY. At least for a small time dude like me. I'm a musician that makes most of his money in cash, anyway, so my banks don't look twice at larger cash deposits (2-3k at at time). And I pay cash for everything I can...



Yeah, I think I'll do this when my deals get big enough.



Wow, that's a fucking full time job. I'm too lazy for that Thanks for the good advice...

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Your welcome

And no I can't have a homicide on my damn hands lol he all I did was push the guy into the street and stomped down on him


He didn't get any money tho lol

Pretty much he got kicked in the street for pulling a knife out like a bitch


Most of the time shit never happened lol

I smell bacon

The Outdoorsman said:

I smell bacon

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In looking for info on cash deposits, I ran across this post (SAR = Suspicious Activity Report) -

Easybreezy

Location: Syracuse IS Central New York.
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Former banker here. Been out of the business over a decade, but the following is what I recall. I think sometimes you're better off just doing the CTR and get it over with with. So many of these go into the government every day, it's just one among many. It's better than drawing attention to yourself by deliberately trying to avoid the reporting requirements.

For a Currency Transaction Report to be generated the threshold is $10,000 in actual hard currency. However, in the age of computers if you deposit or withdraw smaller amounts in the course of a business day and the aggregate is $10,000 then a CTR will still be required.

The Suspicious Activity Report (SAR) was used for any transaction involving actual hard currency over the amount of $3,000. The purpose of this regulation was to prevent a type of money laundering known as "smurfing", moving amounts under the $10,000. I don't if this is still the case, but the SAR is not filed externally anyway, it just remains on file at the bank branch. Sort of a CYA move by the bank.

A lot of people don't realize this but bank personnel MAY opt to document any transaction involving cash that seems suspicious by completing a CTR or SAR. While a customer is aware when a CTR is done because of ID requirements and the fact you need to know what the customer does for a living. I've had CTR's returned for clarification of that information. A SAR can be recorded without that information and as a matter of fact the customer may not even be aware that one was completed.

Also certain businesses that are predominantly cash businesses can request exemption from CTR. As I recall there was a cash limit, if it was exceeded you still had to fill out the CTR.

There was always a lot of confusion concerning CTR's from customers. If there is NO cash involved, and only checks, no CTR. It's called a Currency Transaction Report for a reason.

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That's good news for me: my bank personnel knows me well, as I have made larger (like $1500) cash deposits with them before I started growing for a living. It made sense to them as I had a mostly cash business. The deposits I've been making after growing have been between $1200 and $2800, for some reason that range just felt safe to me. After reading the $3000 limit above, I'm relieved. Gotta keep SOME money in the bank, right? For rent and bills, and to buy shit I don't need off Amazon...