Need co2 help

aeviaanah

Well-Known Member
im afraid this is not correct. While I have no doubt that you pH creeps, its not from the CO2. Infact, quite the opposite is true in that CO2 enrichment will decrease the pH of water as the CO2 turns to carbonic acid. Aquarium owners know this process well and utilize it. If you google 'ocean acidification', which is the same process of adding CO2 to our oceans, thereby lowering the pH, you can get a much more complete explanation.

Not sure why your pH creeps up but its not from CO2, quite the opposite.
thanks for the correction!
 

laughingduck

Well-Known Member
im afraid this is not correct. While I have no doubt that you pH creeps, its not from the CO2. Infact, quite the opposite is true in that CO2 enrichment will decrease the pH of water as the CO2 turns to carbonic acid. Aquarium owners know this process well and utilize it. If you google 'ocean acidification', which is the same process of adding CO2 to our oceans, thereby lowering the pH, you can get a much more complete explanation.

Not sure why your pH creeps up but its not from CO2, quite the opposite.
it creeps down, sorry. I was haveing to add ph up constantly in small amounts.
 

tatamama

New Member
Thank you for that. The stupid, uninformed, bs that so many people write on here makes me sick. I mean if I was a mentally retarded fool I might listen to people on here when I shouldn't. Just like the idiot I quoted that stated his "RH" at 6% then after co2 9%. To funny. Thanks for telling it the way it is since people on here like to help but when they state it wrong they hurt instead.. My ph does not do anything due to co2 but I seal my room and my air stone draw is from a separate area that has a passive o2 entry point.. Good luck to all that listen to the bs....


it creeps down, sorry. I was haveing to add ph up constantly in small amounts.
 

aeviaanah

Well-Known Member
Thank you for that. The stupid, uninformed, bs that so many people write on here makes me sick. I mean if I was a mentally retarded fool I might listen to people on here when I shouldn't. Just like the idiot I quoted that stated his "RH" at 6% then after co2 9%. To funny. Thanks for telling it the way it is since people on here like to help but when they state it wrong they hurt instead.. My ph does not do anything due to co2 but I seal my room and my air stone draw is from a separate area that has a passive o2 entry point.. Good luck to all that listen to the bs....
Huh? Can you clarify what you are trying to say?

Instead of making a fool of someone, why dont you explain why you disagree with someones response?

Possible my humidity meter is reading incorrectly? ...or i shouldve said humidity in place of relative humidity.
 

tatamama

New Member
Well I am a bit testy but it is mostly because of all the bs when asking about co2. I have figured a cheap cheap good propane way to do it without all the bells and $$$ whistles all by my lonesome. But anyway why I think you are out of whack is no place will you find RH or humidity so low but maybe in your oven on 500 degrees. Nothing will live in that, well nothing that is a plant. Plants in any environment at 9 or less, ha, humidity will not survive and no grow I have ever heard of is that low. Like I said only in an over or the inside of a package of dessicant.... Not possible to have it that low unless you are on maybe planet Murcury. don't think you would be worried about it there though... LOL.... Lowest ever seen a grow was around 20 and that was very low and very hot and very short lived.. 35 to 40 or 50 would be the best.. Ok then.. When you get a functioning RH moniter let us know what it really is but the other thing is you can't know what you were talking about if you write that shit.. Sorry but true.. Anyone else like to advise me or him if I am wrong but I am not....

Huh? Can you clarify what you are trying to
Instead of making a fool of someone, why dont you explain why you disagree wilth someones response?

Possible my humidity meter is reading incorrectly? ...or i shouldve said humidity in place of relative humidity.
 

aeviaanah

Well-Known Member
Well I am a bit testy but it is mostly because of all the bs when asking about co2. I have figured a cheap cheap good propane way to do it without all the bells and $$$ whistles all by my lonesome. But anyway why I think you are out of whack is no place will you find RH or humidity so low but maybe in your oven on 500 degrees. Nothing will live in that, well nothing that is a plant. Plants in any environment at 9 or less, ha, humidity will not survive and no grow I have ever heard of is that low. Like I said only in an over or the inside of a package of dessicant.... Not possible to have it that low unless you are on maybe planet Murcury. don't think you would be worried about it there though... LOL.... Lowest ever seen a grow was around 20 and that was very low and very hot and very short lived.. 35 to 40 or 50 would be the best.. Ok then.. When you get a functioning RH moniter let us know what it really is but the other thing is you can't know what you were talking about if you write that shit.. Sorry but true.. Anyone else like to advise me or him if I am wrong but I am not....
LOL...like i said my hydrometer is not calibrated properly. Possibly you should observe how you talk to people and deal with certain situations. If i would have known this and read a response that is obviously incorrect, i would inform them in a different manner such as, "5-10 RH doesnt seem right...check your hygrometer." Its that simple buddy. Come back when you have something informative to say.
 

tatamama

New Member
Did I hurt another heads feelings? To funny. Let me just say if you think, or in your case can't think, that writing crap is ok well I am here to tell you that I spit in your general direction. No one, no One, thinks humidity get that low. You obviously don't know what you say and or don't care and make up crap. 6%, 9% humidity! you must be dumber than a bag of hammers. Meter or no meter you could not get out of a wet paper bag. Of course that bag would be around 70% humidity. To funny again.



LOL...like i said my hydrometer is not calibrated properly. Possibly you should observe how you talk to people and deal with certain situations. If i would have known this and read a response that is obviously incorrect, i would inform them in a different manner such as, "5-10 RH doesnt seem right...check your hygrometer." Its that simple buddy. Come back when you have something informative to say.
 

ecofrog

Member
Did I hurt another heads feelings? To funny. Let me just say if you think, or in your case can't think, that writing crap is ok well I am here to tell you that I spit in your general direction. No one, no One, thinks humidity get that low. You obviously don't know what you say and or don't care and make up crap. 6%, 9% humidity! you must be dumber than a bag of hammers. Meter or no meter you could not get out of a wet paper bag. Of course that bag would be around 70% humidity. To funny again.
Jeeze buddy. Instead of calling the guy an idiot, maybe you ought to explain to him why he is mistaken. Perhaps he is not the most accurate of plant growers but you, my friend are 'dumber than a bag of hammers' in the ways of kindness and compassion. If i had to choose, I know which one I would rather be dumber in.
 

aeviaanah

Well-Known Member
has anyone tried the co2 testers that look like a glass vial? i guess you pull the sample air in then crack the solution inside the syringe. it will tell you the ppm of co2 in the air. testing co2 is so expensive....a few hundred for a monitor and like 16 bux for a single test. i wonder if i should just buy one of the syringe testers and use the data gathered as a basis for how to run my co2.
 

tatamama

New Member
Maybe first learn about humidity. Second I used one and they will give you a general idea. As for compassion from the other guy, dude when someone takes bad advice on here and ruins a whole grow because of it that I would have compassion for. Someone that does not have a clue about even general humidity to such an extent as this guy well I don't. Why? Well because he needs a clue before he wastes peoples time answering him when he obviously makes up bs.. You think anyone goes outside or into a room and thinks it is at 6% humidity???? I know public school sucks but come on!!! I don't think any place on planet earth has such a low level of air born h2o.. So he says that and is saying he is using co2, well my friend that is a very advanced area of growing and he does not live there yet... You might have compassion of a child and not tell that child in a way he can understand to not run into the street when if you had whipped his ass hard he might have listened but instead you gave him a cookie the first time and told him no and well the second time your compassion killed him... Look up tough love.. He needs to learn before he can read so to speak and then he needs to not ask questions until he has one that makes sense period.. People can kill themselves in the business of growing by a number of different ways so he needs to be told to get a clue before he burns his house down, kills the kids/pets/himself with co or co2 or some other stupid way to f up things... What don't you get??? Who really believes 6% humidity and if anyone does why??? Just answer that one for your dose of compassion....
has anyone tried the co2 testers that look like a glass vial? i guess you pull the sample air in then crack the solution inside the syringe. it will tell you the ppm of co2 in the air. testing co2 is so expensive....a few hundred for a monitor and like 16 bux for a single test. i wonder if i should just buy one of the syringe testers and use the data gathered as a basis for how to run my co2.
 

legallyflying

Well-Known Member
Funny thread for sure. Let me just say this, and then all the people that don't have the cash to do it properly can chime in and tell me how they are just turning their bottles on or putting dry ice in their tents, or mixing vinegar and baking soda or any of the other half ass shit to raise CO2 levels... IF YOU WANT THE BENFITS OF CO2 THEN YOU HAVE TO BUY A FUCKING PPM CONTROLLER AND JUST DO IT RIGHT.

Part of becoming a better grower is knowing what you put in and what came out of your crop. Farting co2 or even measuring the levels here and then will do fuck all to establish proper levels. How air tight your room is, how warm it is, how long you have been standing in your room, how BIG your plants are, how long they have been under the lights, ALL this shit will effect CO2 levels. People like myself that have computerized PPM meters know this as they constantly show us what the concentration is and I can hear it clicking on and off and different intervals. Not, it came on five minutes ago, its on again; my fuzzy logic controller turns on and off every couple of seconds. Both how long it is on and the interval changes about a minute I am in the room.

save you money on the meter and just buy the controller. I got me CAP xgc-1 for $400 on CL.
 

xivex

Active Member
Hey just hooked up my Sentinel CHHC-4 Total Environmental Controller in my journal (see sig link)..

I love it so far. The controller clicks on as LF said, you know its on, you look at the readout and it flashes temp/rH/CO2 ppm over and over again every couple of seconds. Good stuff! Instant knowledge of the state of your room's environment! :) Makes it a cinch to determine potential problems in the room environment.

I've seen the Sentinel CHHC-4 listed from $550 - $780 (Wow). If you shop around you can pick one up for mid $500's...

X
 

tatamama

New Member
I agree with you. I am doing a ghetto study with a coleman two burner stove that I have to go in turn on and go in and turn on every hour or so but it is a test grow. I bought a meter, just for co2 so wasted my money because I will most likely own a controller to do it auto in the future but this one is showing me many things. One, it is showing me how sealed my building is, two, it is showing me how long this 20000 btu cooker takes to fill the room to 1500, three, it is a test to show if this strain can do the single cola yield good thing that fiend does with his small small put to flower plants. You see I looked at his little tiny like four inch tall with co2 plants and they are great at the end. Without co2 my strain just has to be huge to make the great big colas. I want to see with co2 if that can be changed to little plants lollipoped like his because as it stands now I have 50 stations that done his way would make about 60 oz's with all the stations being used. Without co2 I can barely fit 37" tall plants in there and I have to trim them forever and ever. I see his and hell states he gets the 12" or so roots then straight to flower without much veg and those results have to be from the co2 because I have a great strain but they don't do well unless they are around 12 to 14" at 12/12 start.. ANYWAY. The coleman also has a big propane tank and I wanted to actually see how long one would last and well looks like with the co2 showing 1500 and having to refill the room for 2.5 mins every 90 mins that the tank will last about 50 days and that will make it worth it. I have one question though. I have an ac/dehumid unit and when it is vented outside it hardly budges my Hygrometer at all but when I vent it inside the room the humid level comes down from 61% to 50% in less than 6 mins. What is up with that? Also is 60% humidity bad for anything except the buds when the form for mold and the like or does it hurt the actual plant health/growth/bud development. Does not seem to be an issue so far until buds are thick and then well we know the answer to what 60+ will do then.. Might as well throw them out if your humidity is over 60% for the last month of bloom because you WILL get mold and or rot period... Thanks if you know an answer to those two questions.....

Ps. I am mean! But I was not out of line with what I actually told the 6% humidity boy.. I mean f, he could be that stupid, and put in a 1k hps next to a curtain for all I know... P.
Ps2. I type at 65 words per minute. LOL.


Funny thread for sure. Let me just say this, and then all the people that don't have the cash to do it properly can chime in and tell me how they are just turning their bottles on or putting dry ice in their tents, or mixing vinegar and baking soda or any of the other half ass shit to raise CO2 levels... IF YOU WANT THE BENFITS OF CO2 THEN YOU HAVE TO BUY A FUCKING PPM CONTROLLER AND JUST DO IT RIGHT.

Part of becoming a better grower is knowing what you put in and what came out of your crop. Farting co2 or even measuring the levels here and then will do fuck all to establish proper levels. How air tight your room is, how warm it is, how long you have been standing in your room, how BIG your plants are, how long they have been under the lights, ALL this shit will effect CO2 levels. People like myself that have computerized PPM meters know this as they constantly show us what the concentration is and I can hear it clicking on and off and different intervals. Not, it came on five minutes ago, its on again; my fuzzy logic controller turns on and off every couple of seconds. Both how long it is on and the interval changes about a minute I am in the room.

save you money on the meter and just buy the controller. I got me CAP xgc-1 for $400 on CL.
 

aeviaanah

Well-Known Member
Funny thread for sure. Let me just say this, and then all the people that don't have the cash to do it properly can chime in and tell me how they are just turning their bottles on or putting dry ice in their tents, or mixing vinegar and baking soda or any of the other half ass shit to raise CO2 levels... IF YOU WANT THE BENFITS OF CO2 THEN YOU HAVE TO BUY A FUCKING PPM CONTROLLER AND JUST DO IT RIGHT.

Part of becoming a better grower is knowing what you put in and what came out of your crop. Farting co2 or even measuring the levels here and then will do fuck all to establish proper levels. How air tight your room is, how warm it is, how long you have been standing in your room, how BIG your plants are, how long they have been under the lights, ALL this shit will effect CO2 levels. People like myself that have computerized PPM meters know this as they constantly show us what the concentration is and I can hear it clicking on and off and different intervals. Not, it came on five minutes ago, its on again; my fuzzy logic controller turns on and off every couple of seconds. Both how long it is on and the interval changes about a minute I am in the room.

save you money on the meter and just buy the controller. I got me CAP xgc-1 for $400 on CL.
good point...im waiting on a call back from a guy on craigslist for both the monitor and meter
 

Evil.Seven

Member
If you don't feel the need to completely micromanage and know the exact numbers the CAP PPM-4 seems to be a good option. It can be found if you really look around for about $200. I recently started using one and it seems to work fine. On at 1450 PPM off at 1500 PPM.
 

bird mcbride

Well-Known Member
My largest concerns with running co2 is that if enough co2 builds up in your grow-op it can be harmful or even lethal to human health. If people break into a commercial op with a system malfunction they could black out and be dead with no chance of escape. Co2 can only be used when the lights are on and has to be cleared from the air before the lights go out. Your plants need o2 when the lights go off. I use charcoal to generate co2 for my personal op and I only line up enough briquets to last the shift. I line them up (4-6 pieces, depending on dampness) like fallen dominoes and ignite one end. My budding room is 8' x 8' x 8'h. I do not seal my room and my blowers and fan schedules are not altered. I have my exhaust up high because co2 is heavier than normal air.
 

tatamama

New Member
Hmmm. That sounds futile. With venting co2 will not rise and your method is nuts. Also co2 is barely heavier. Takes only the slightest fan to keep it aflot. Unsealed co2 enritchment is pointless....



My largest concerns with running co2 is that if enough co2 builds up in your grow-op it can be harmful or even lethal to human health. If people break into a commercial op with a system malfunction they could black out and be dead with no chance of escape. Co2 can only be used when the lights are on and has to be cleared from the air before the lights go out. Your plants need o2 when the lights go off. I use charcoal to generate co2 for my personal op and I only line up enough briquets to last the shift. I line them up (4-6 pieces, depending on dampness) like fallen dominoes and ignite one end. My budding room is 8' x 8' x 8'h. I do not seal my room and my blowers and fan schedules are not altered. I have my exhaust up high because co2 is heavier than normal air.
 

aeviaanah

Well-Known Member
My Sentinel CHHC-1 controller makes a weird noise, its like a computer squeal...not sure if it is normal. Has anyone experienced this?
 
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