My summer greenhouse grow - feedback welcome!!!!

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aviva1964

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I grew my first plant last year, and decided to go all in this summer. I ordered Aurora Indica, G13 Haze, Strawberry Cough, and OG Kush Feminized seeds. The germination process did not go well - ground squirrel had gotten into my greenhouse and were eating the sprouts. I grew frustrated and brought everything that had been sprouted into the main house. In doing so, I mixed up all the seedlings. Oops! Now that they are about two months old and look different I did my best guess on sorting them.

The greenhouse is a 16x20 south facing wood frame building at 7600 feet. Nighttime temperatures are in the 40's outdoors and day temperatures are in the 80s-90s. I have two full rain barrels in the greenhouse to provide some humidity and act as a heat sink. Normally on a hot day the windows are all open and the fan is blowing. I button it up at night.

My soil recipe includes composted poultry manure (composted with either pine shavings or straw), composted horse manure, coco coir, earthworm castings, some ironite, and diacetmous earth. The earthworms, poultry, and horses are on site with us, my goal is to a create nutrient rich, self sustaining soil supply for vegetables and herbs.

I THINK I wound up with one g13 haze, three strawberry cough, three aurora indica, and three OG kush. All these plants are about 8 weeks.
The sativa dominant IDs I feel confident with. Not really sure how to tell the difference between AI and OG Kush, if anyone has a guess let me know.

The sativa dominant ones are 15-18" tall, the indica dominant are 32-35" tall. They are preflowering except for the very first one which just started flowering.

How big are these babies going to get? Is the amount of stretching normal? I'd welcome any sort of input on if the plants look like they are supposed to or not ... Pictures I see often the plants are much more dense. TYVM!

In order, maybe, g13h, strawberry cough, aurora indica, and OG Kush.
 

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greasemonkeymann

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at 7600 ft they are gonna be some stony plants.
Growing at elevation is a great way to see what those strains can do.
Next time i'd plant a lil earlier, for the season those are a lil small.
As far as telling the difference, you didn't label?
I'd start them outdoors from seed around april or may at the latest.
then you have trees.
that compost sounds good, i'd add fish bone meal, crab meal, and kelp meal to it.
You'd have a nicely rounded out pile with probably no nutrients needed if you did that.
 
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aviva1964

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Well, here are some updates. The first plant flowering is the G13 Haze (I think) - it's about 3 feet tall right now and has been going for a month. The next one that just barely started flowering is (I think) the strawberry cough, also about three feet tall. The big plants are closing in on 6 feet. I planted OG Kush and Orange Bud, I think that must be what the big plants are. The last photo you can see the size difference.

Everything I read says Sativas are narrow leaves, tall, with lots of leaflets. Indicas are supposed to be low growing, bushy, fat leaves, low number of leaflets. But my narrow leaf plants, corresponding to the two sativa's I planted (G13H and Strawberry Cough), are short and have no more than 5 leaflets. The big tall plants, corresponding to the OG Kush (and Orange Bud) I planted have big thick leaves with 9-11 leaflets.

So sativa looks like indica and indica looks like sativa?
 

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DonTesla

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aviva1964 said:
Well, here are some updates. The first plant flowering is the G13 Haze (I think) - it's about 3 feet tall right now and has been going for a month. The next one that just barely started flowering is (I think) the strawberry cough, also about three feet tall. The big plants are closing in on 6 feet. I planted OG Kush and Orange Bud, I think that must be what the big plants are. The last photo you can see the size difference.

Everything I read says Sativas are narrow leaves, tall, with lots of leaflets. Indicas are supposed to be low growing, bushy, fat leaves, low number of leaflets. But my narrow leaf plants, corresponding to the two sativa's I planted (G13H and Strawberry Cough), are short and have no more than 5 leaflets. The big tall plants, corresponding to the OG Kush (and Orange Bud) I planted have big thick leaves with 9-11 leaflets.

So sativa looks like indica and indica looks like sativa?
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Woah.
What a beautiful wooden set up and latitude to grow at.
Major props from the Dons.

I second the GMan and recommend the amending of the meals,
you have a big living recipe and are close to a
priceless, laughing and watering regime..

As for the sativas,
they love a good pot size or bed even better to stretch and do their thing..
...Is your mix more than 25% poops?
...And under 25% aeration?

If so, i would be tempted to take a portion of your soil and cut it a bit,
leveraging your poop even more,
and test a couple new specimens against your current recipe..

Some strains may thrive in one and others in the other..
i would up the pot sizes for extra relief though..
A 20gal/Sativa min is a lot better than 2.

If they share a bed, 4 small bush trees could explode out of a 50 gallon bed or one tree with bark.
-A healthy bed explodes root/veg growth rates,
-cuts soil and watering requirements,
-And allows transplants to tap into established living networks several feet wide.

Indicas can thrive in anything.
Sea of green anything.

But sativas are more finicky wild and sensitive.
They persevere lots but want us to think more wild.
They like extra room, and veg time too.
 
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aviva1964

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DonTesla said:
As for the sativas,
they love a good pot size or bed even better to stretch and do their thing..
...Is your mix more than 25% poops?
...And under 25% aeration?

Thanks!
I don't even know how to answer the aeration question - they are just in pots in the greenhouse.
Would you recommend putting them in larger pots at this late stage in the game?

I think next year I may try a straw-bale grow. We had great success with zucchini and summer squash this year in strawberries.
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greasemonkeymann said:
at 7600 ft they are gonna be some stony plants.
Growing at elevation is a great way to see what those strains can do.
Next time i'd plant a lil earlier, for the season those are a lil small.
As far as telling the difference, you didn't label?
I'd start them outdoors from seed around april or may at the latest.
then you have trees.
that compost sounds good, i'd add fish bone meal, crab meal, and kelp meal to it.
You'd have a nicely rounded out pile with probably no nutrients needed if you did that.
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lol I did label, but twice ground squirrels came into the greenhouse, nibbled some seedlings and knocked over others , so the second time they did it i collected up everything that looked like a living seeding and got them in pots in the main house - so i don't really know which plant is which, I just know what strains I had planted.
 
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I wouldn't want to transplant if they've started flowering, especially sativas..
But yeah, if you have more soil I would aerate a bit more if you can, like with perlite, pumice, rice, etc, and work on getting your meals in.
And next time you do sativas, feel free to try a bed or big pot, if you're willing.
It should be a fun go..
 
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DonTesla

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aviva1964 said:
Check out the leaves on these guys - 13 leaflets! I think this is the Kush, but heck I thought the high number leaflets were sativas! These two plants are just shy of 5 feet now and are just on the verge of flowering ....
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I finally get to see a 13 leaflet leaf!!
 
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DonTesla

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aviva1964 said:
There are multiple 13 leaflet leaves on at least two plants! Help me out, is this a Kush plant?
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I would say that its safe to say that there beauty is a indica Dom specimen no doubt..
Here's a pic of a wild Sativa Dom we just grew for 6 months..lol, you might notice a big diff!!
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13 leaflets is more a sign of maturity and great happiness.. Vs Sativa or indica, from what I've heard anyway..
Way to go!
 
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Here's where we are today with the sativa dominant strains.... Still trying to puzzle out what actually survived after rodents massacred my sprouts. These plants represent one or more of strawberry cough, aurora indica, orange bud, g13 haze, and Og kush. I'm thinking maybe the first plant is orange bud and the second the strawberry cough?

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image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg And then here is the indica dominant. One of the 13 leafer turned out to be a male, so it's gone. The other is the tall one on the right. I think these might be the g13 hazes and the medium height ones might be aurora indica. I have no idea how to ID a Kush, though it could be one of these to. Thoughts?
 

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DonTesla

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aviva1964 said:
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Once you flower.. the terpenes will develop and help you identify those big beauties..
By the time you're blazing them you should know everything you want to about them.. Lol
 
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aviva1964

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This one is interesting - The first to flower. Short plant - less than 3 feet. None of the other plants look like it. Super skinny fan leaves with 3-5 leaflets Smells fruity, can't quite pin it down though. Looks very similar you your wild sativa.

The buds are still really small but they are everywhere. The white hairs are starting to turn kind of maroon colored. I first observed flowering signs on August 22. Any speculation how long it has to go? How do flowering times differ in natural lighting from indoors?
 

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aviva1964 said:
This one is interesting - The first to flower. Short plant - less than 3 feet. None of the other plants look like it. Super skinny fan leaves with 3-5 leaflets Smells fruity, can't quite pin it down though. Looks very similar you your wild sativa.

The buds are still really small but they are everywhere. The white hairs are starting to turn kind of maroon colored. I first observed flowering signs on August 22. Any speculation how long it has to go? How do flowering times differ in natural lighting from indoors?
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You still have a long ways to go. I'm superise the buds are still only that small growing in an outdoor greenhouse. Anyhow, here's an cola shot of my gal outdoor and she still needs a good 4 weeks go. Good luck.
 

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aviva1964

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The sativa dominant on the back wall is flowering now - 34-42 inches. image.jpegimage.jpeg
The short fruity one carries on ...image.jpeg
Another hybrid blooming - about 50"
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And these monsters on the right are just thinking about getting started -72"
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The greenhouse is still hitting 80s during the day, 50s at night.
 

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