my attempt at budder. high res pics.

whos oil is runny or liquidy??? maybe when heated yeah. but at room temperature, its far from a liquid. more like the stickiest, thickest, syrupiest, stinkiest syrup youve ever touched, when its warm. otherwise its like a piece of glass. rock hard, it shatters.

I remember one time I had one of those hash presses thats threaded on both ends.. I put a lot of nice crystal/kief into it and squeezed the 2 pucks it in the vice in my dads shop, also heated it up just a hair... well I squeezed that kief stuff so fuckin hard that it literally made a single droplet it oil come out... I imagine thats as pure as it gets, and yet it was a liquidy substance?? granted, it was still fairly warm. and if it cooled off I imagine it would be fairly hard and not easy to recover to smoke. so yeah. I would imagine that good shit doesnt always have to be a solid.

with the amount of other shit we do to ourselves, sometimes I think we have better things to worry about than smoking 1% butane in the oil, or possible some plant waxes or chlorophyll.

so that means smoking a joint is absolutely out of the question for you guys?? hell, when I (and im sure many others) was younger I used to smoke resin scraped out of pipes and bongs... im still alive.


I find it funny, half the time that people that preach about how bad something is for you, they turn around and light up a cigarette of all things, then go east fast food.

That shit you squeezed out could have been plant waxes or something else. Hard to say.

I don't worry about smoking plant waxes or chlorophyll at all, but try to make the purest wax possible also.

Sure, I smoke joints. They make me cough a lot, and hack shit up later. That sucks. I don't want to smoke 1% butane -- that sounds disgusting! I used to scrape resin from my metal pipe and smoke that shit back in high school. What an idiot I was. I inhaled glue fumes once too, and am still alive. Does that make inhaling glue safe or smart? No. That kind of logic is rubbish. I don't smoke cigs and generally don't eat fast food.

Would I dab your oil? FUCK YES!

Would I try to make it a little better if you gifted me a blob? FUCK YES!

I'm sure your shit is as good as they sell at the dispensaries. That doesn't mean you can't improve.

If I were you, I'd try the method to dissolve it in ethanol and refilter purge to get glass. I told my buddy with some similar BHO the same thing. He's too scared of fucking up his investment to do it. His shit tastes harsh to me. He sells it for $30 a g though, so what the fuck do I know?

I sell mine for 50$ a g and people love it. the value of stuff in canada is way different than the value of the states though, especially cali.

it takes me an oz (200-240$) and 20$ worth or butane to get around 7 grams of oil... it comes out to like 40$ a gram to make.

im sure mine can be improved though. I would honestly rate my own oil nowdays as a 7 or 8/10 for being clean. I know some buddies that purge it in a dish of hot water, that water cools off a lot by the time their 3 or 4 cans have evaporated off, so it barely purges anymore. and they call it good to smoke. I would rate that as a 3 or 4 for being purged. pretty bad stuff. I never realized how much more it could be purged.

ive been told that before all of the oil evaporates off... pour in a 50/50 mix of 99% iso and then cook off all that mixture... as you cook off the ISO it also takes a ton of extra butane along with it... does that sound right?

speaking of stupid shit, you guys gotta hear this one; I know a guy who would make oil in his hotel room when hes working away from home... cook off 3 cans of butane in a tiny bathroom in the bathgub with the fan on. would walk in when its done with a hoodie on backwards, hood over his face, just in case it ever blew up. never was the smartest guy. im glad I cut all association with him!

I'm not an expert by any standard.

I've only blasted 5 or 6 times. 2.5-8oz runs of popcorn buds each time.

From the pics from OP, it does look a little under-purged IMO (just going off the shine I see, which I equate to trapped butane/nastiness).

-When I blast, I spray onto a jumbo-pad thats in a medium pyrex sitting in a large pyrex with a little water, on top of an electric griddle turned to the low "WARM" setting.

I let that sit for about 60mins, longer if needed. Letting the liquid dryout and removing it from the griddle once I see no runniness and decent bubbles.

Then I scrape up the "goop" and transplant it to the smaller sillicone pads and place them inside a vacuum chamber.

After that, I leave the chamber running and keep it on the griddle. Heat and pressure (but keeping it a little below 120degrees).

Every once and awhile i'll "burp" the chamber to let some fresh air in and pop the bubbles. But I like low-n-slow (BBQ and BHO) so I keep it on there for awhile.

Slightly faded so I may have missed a step. But that's pretty much the method and it'll turnover some fly shatter that won't crackle or spark.

I haven't produced honeycomb yet, but I'm still learning .

PJ Diaz said:

I dunno. It's true, I haven't smoked that much bho. To me it's just weird (no matter what solvent was used for the extraction) to see and smoke liquidy, runny, oil.

I mean, come on guys we all know that dried cannabinoids are NOT runny. They are hard like a rock. Sure, with budder you whip some air in, so you can have a more pliable texture to work with, but still why should it ever be runny, syrupy, or liquidy? I dunno, maybe I'm way off base and missing something here..

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Actually, the carboxylic acid forms are hard and stiff, but once oil is decarboxylated, it is loose and runny. It also darkens the color from light yellow to amber.

vacpurge said:

ive been told that before all of the oil evaporates off... pour in a 50/50 mix of 99% iso and then cook off all that mixture... as you cook off the ISO it also takes a ton of extra butane along with it... does that sound right?

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Purging the Iso will take the rest of the butane with it. We routinely do that with ethanol after winterizing.

hmm. interesting.

so what would you estimate the butane % numbers are before and after a vacuum purge? or an iso purge?

from .5% down to .1% or something?

would there be any significant weight reduction after an iso purge? or a vacuum purge?

Fadedawg said:

PJ Diaz said:

I dunno. It's true, I haven't smoked that much bho. To me it's just weird (no matter what solvent was used for the extraction) to see and smoke liquidy, runny, oil.

I mean, come on guys we all know that dried cannabinoids are NOT runny. They are hard like a rock. Sure, with budder you whip some air in, so you can have a more pliable texture to work with, but still why should it ever be runny, syrupy, or liquidy? I dunno, maybe I'm way off base and missing something here..

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Actually, the carboxylic acid forms are hard and stiff, but once oil is decarboxylated, it is loose and runny. It also darkens the color from light yellow to amber.

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My oil stays stiff after decarboxylation.

Interesting! What strains do you use and how are you determining your state of decarboxylation?

Oil stiffness varies by strain, but without exception, every oil that we've decarboxylated, was reduced in viscosity. No decarboxylated oil was ever hard enough to qualify for shatter at room temperature.

Some is stiffer than others, but given time, will slump, where carboxylic acid forms don't usually.

Fadedawg said:

Interesting! What strains do you use and how are you determining your state of decarboxylation?

Oil stiffness varies by strain, but without exception, every oil that we've decarboxylated, was reduced in viscosity. No decarboxylated oil was ever hard enough to qualify for shatter at room temperature.

Some is stiffer than others, but given time, will slump, where carboxylic acid forms don't usually.

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G13Haze, J1, Granddaddy Blueberry, and Platinum OG all shatter even after decarbox at room temp when fully purged. Method is heating in glass pan over boiling water @ 212 degrees F. Keep in mind I only do iso and ethanol extractions.

PJ Diaz said:

G13Haze, J1, Granddaddy Blueberry, and Platinum OG all shatter even after decarbox at room temp when fully purged. Method is heating in glass pan over boiling water @ 212 degrees F. Keep in mind I only do iso and ethanol extractions.

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Alas, no experience with those strains, but lets talk aboutstate of decarboxylation. How are youmeasuring it?

In general the problem begins with us not knowing the exactstate of decarboxylation when we start, so we need a good method to tell whenit hits the top of the 70% curve, and when it reaches dead quiescence, to be incontrol.

We do that by watching the CO2 bubbles emitted by theprocess. The oil will boil profuselywith small equally sized fizzy bubbles until it reaches about 70% decarboxylation,and then their production rate will noticeably suddenly fall off.

Beyond that point, the rate of THC converted to CBN by the process,is greater than the rate that the remaining THCA is converted to THC.

Attached graph thanks to Jump!

Fadedawg said:

PJ Diaz said:

G13Haze, J1, Granddaddy Blueberry, and Platinum OG all shatter even after decarbox at room temp when fully purged. Method is heating in glass pan over boiling water @ 212 degrees F. Keep in mind I only do iso and ethanol extractions.

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Alas, no experience with those strains, but lets talk aboutstate of decarboxylation. How are youmeasuring it?

In general the problem begins with us not knowing the exactstate of decarboxylation when we start, so we need a good method to tell whenit hits the top of the 70% curve, and when it reaches dead quiescence, to be incontrol.

We do that by watching the CO2 bubbles emitted by theprocess. The oil will boil profuselywith small equally sized fizzy bubbles until it reaches about 70% decarboxylation,and then their production rate will noticeably suddenly fall off.

Beyond that point, the rate of THC converted to CBN by the process,is greater than the rate that the remaining THCA is converted to THC.

Attached graph thanks to Jump!

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Truth is I don't measure it, so I can't really attest to my state. Perhaps if I decarbed longer I would get a runny oil like you've stated. Since I dab my concentrates I don't really worry about it since its decarbed instantly when it hits the hot nail.

PJ Diaz said:

Truth is I don't measure it, so I can't really attest to my state. Perhaps if I decarbed longer I would get a runny oil like you've stated. Since I dab my concentrates I don't really worry about it since its decarbed instantly when it hits the hot nail.

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I don't worry about oil for vaporization either, but I'm betting you a daub of our finest, that if your oil is still stiff, that it isn't fully decarboxylated.

You can tell easy enough, by heating it up to 250F and watching for fizzy bubbles.

for those of you curious, dont do this


How to NOT BLOW BHO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqGS50k6z0&feature=youtube_gdata

the result of combusting butane yields co2 and water i dont see what the big deal is, maybe you just have vaginas for lungs

igothydrotoneverywhere said:

the result of combusting butane yields co2 and water i dont see what the big deal is, maybe you just have vaginas for lungs

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You do realize that there's more than just butane in "butane", right?

PJ Diaz said:

You do realize that there's more than just butane in "butane", right?

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idk but the stuff i buy is supposed to be 99.999% pure

if i bought pure N butane would you be happy?

igothydrotoneverywhere said:

PJ Diaz said:

You do realize that there's more than just butane in "butane", right?

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idk but the stuff i buy is supposed to be 99.999% pure

if i bought pure N butane would you be happy?

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Which product is 99.999% pure?