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When in doubt, flush it out! Go ahead and put straight water in there. Is there a pinch at the bottom? Or is it just flopped over like that? She looks like she is going limp, like something might have damaged her root system. Compare how slimy her cube is compared to a champ, BUT DON'T USE THE SAME HAND TO CHECK. You may have pythium, and that is the last thing you want to spread. If your cube is slimy and smells sort of like someone puked on it, you have a real emergency on your hand, and have to quarantine Kate, and treat everything with earthworm casting tea. It's easy to make.

Bring your fan way back, or turn it off, when they are this young the best way to keep them from stretching is keeping the light close, keeping them heavy with mist, and gently nudging them with your finger to create micro-tears in the stock, which will cause them to heal and thicken up. Fan's are only necessary at this time to keep heat and humidity in check.

Keep her propped up, and you can try giving her a foliar feed. If she can't eat out the roots, maybe she can eat out her leaves.

Rule for foliar feeding: whether they are in week 1 of the seedling phase, or week 7 of flowering, foliar feeding is always suppose to be under 250ppm, and your preferred pH should work just fine (anywhere between 5.5 and 6.3) but since you want a good all purpose spray, giving you equal portions of NPK, I would suggest 5.8-6.0pH. It is important not to over do it on foliar feeding with seedlings and clones without established root systems. Undeveloped roots will become lazy and stop growing, as it is much easier for the plant to feed through it's leaves. That is how that Miracle Gro spray works on your front yard (DON'T USE IT ON YOUR GANJA!) Foliar feeding should be once a week, but with the sick one, it is on a as needed basis, but please wait a few days between sprays, or she won't grow roots.

If all your Jack Hammers have failed you can call or email the seedbank, more than often they are willing to send you a new pack of seeds, usually with a few extra free one's for the trouble. Just assure them that you didn't fuck it up, it was just those particular beans weren't good. Tell them about how only one or two cracked. I forgot how many did, but it seems like there isn't a lot of Jack Hammer. I've never ordered seeds myself personally, and I don't often have troubles with seeds that I pick out (because I'm picky!) but from what I have heard these companies are usually very willing to make things right and get you interested in other strains they have available. They want you to be a customer for life. It's a market based purely on loyalty, because everyone has dank shit now a days.

Damn. I've been feeding them foliar like 2-3 times a day. I figured it was helpin their stems develop because of the weight of the water, and the fans doing likewise.
I guess I'll make a micro-brew and use that to spray the cubes, making sure not to get the leaves at all.
I could turn on the tops, but some of these have event sprouted yet, so I should probably wait, but i want big roots...
here are some pics of the trimeter readings.
the cold water one is ph'd, the warm isn't.. but the temperature thing is obviously off since it reads 23 F
oh and the cold water that had been pH'd read a lower PPM, and the water straight from the tap, not pH adjusted, read higher PPM..

No puke smells.
Set up my ac ducting today.. made little to no difference in the temperature of the room, but at least its getting different air.
I am going to get a portable ac. apprx5-8,000 btu's
Also ordered another fan so I will have 3, 240+cfm fans pulling the air through the lamp.

How is that meter? Stable?

And spraying them down with distilled water would be choice, but tap should be okay, but I don't know what is in your water. They shouldn't get too much food from the tap, but try holding out and see what happens. Keep an eye on it.

Man with all these fans, it seems like it would have been a lot cheaper for you to just buy one 6" inline fan. Is that A/C unit 5000 BTU, 5800 BTU, or 8000 BTU, I'm confused. How large is your space? Whenever you use AC and HID in the same spot you want to have a over powered AC.

I was going to get a 5,000 BTU - http://www.amazon.com/Frigidaire-FRA053PU1-000-Portable-Conditioner/dp/B004P8K39G/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1308511726&sr=8-3 - This exact one by frigidaire..It looks like a high quality one, even though its only 5,000 BTU, it should be more than enough, but what do I know.. There are some other less expensive ones that are evaporatory, but I don't wanna add more humidity to the closet, its going to be pretty dank in there as it is, and I live in a desert climate!

Here are some pics of the local bud - My recently hooked up air-input - and my root progress

I need to recalibrate my meter I think.. Just to make sure. But in order to do that, I have to go buy a thermometer, ppm reader, and pH meter.. FML lol. just paid 175 bucks for this POS

All you need is calibration fluid! They make calibration fluid with a certain amount of PPM's and pH so you can test it for reference. I believe your trimeter is calibrated at a .5 TDS factor, that is important so your PPM calibration is accurate. Some meters are on .5 TDS factor, some are .7, I think there is another one but I've never had to deal with it.

These calibration solutions are inexpensive and available at any grow store. If not you can find them on any online grow store. Kate looks dead as fuck. and I think that vent in your bathroom may raise some eyebrows from your friends, haha. How big is your closet? 5000btu is probably fine, I would buy a 8000BTU unit so I could use it in my next grow room. What are your outside temperatures like right now?

Those nugs made me thirst for something different, I only have two strains available to me right now, and I'm tired of one, and the other one I am almost out of. My Sour Grape came out harsh, and my Faceoff came out amazing but with a small yield. Normally I would have a lot more available to me, but I recently moved into this place and I just now got my SOG going on again. Luckily I chop down 4 SFV OG's today. I work closely with a dispensary, but I've been sick for 3 weeks straight now, so I don't have all the selection I am used to. Haha, it drove me to make space for some new plants. I haven't started germinating the White Berry or the Grape Krush yet. But I am going to bring in a new star player, Hollywood Shootout! Never heard of it? It's because it was made by a local breeder on the mountain, he happens to be a local legend, so I'm very happy to have gotten these seeds. He is actually super pissed I have them! I got them from a friend of his, but he didn't know he wasn't supposed to give them away! Bwahahaha, I traded him 2 clones for 5 seeds. They ended up throwing them away because they said they had spidermites. Which they actually did, I just didn't know it yet. Normally I would NEVER give away clone stock if I think I have a bug issue. But oh well, I would have ended up throwing those clones away myself, so the seeds were basically free.

It's AK47 x LA Confidential. We were going to call it LA Chopper, but I like Hollywood Shootout, it captures California history (North Hollywood Shootout, 1997), and we had a few other cool names, but I don't remember them.

I think your nugs are greenhouse, btw. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just pointing it out. I love greenhouse buds!

-Outside temps are 94-105 the past two weeks, it cooled off today thank god, around 94.

-When I yanked Kate out of the cube, she had a 2.5 in, beautiful tap root. It was still cool and hairy when I touched it, and that made me sad as fuck, even though all her leaves had already shriveled. Maybe I should have topped her?
thanks for the heads up on the solutions for the trimeter. yea i gotta make sure that thing is working right, its goin to be my best friend for the foreseeable future.

Maybe she would have made it, maybe not. If she was going to be a straggler it's probably better that she didn't make it to finish.

-Pirate's Code- you familiar with it? I am adopting it officially. Got one JackHammer germinated, and waiting on the other...

It's more of a guideline than it is a code.

Buy a fan that moves back and forth,man. Put the fan so they only get as much as they can handle and you you won't have to worry about micro-tearing. A fan moving air never hurts.

Hmmm. If you read the beginning of my thread/journal you'll see I have an oscillating (I think that's the word you were looking for) fan.

People are telling you dont need it ,if you turn it off it really, really won't help. lol
Right now your seedlings should be moving (but not being whipped around) almost constantly The movement is what thickens the stem. All my cuttings and my mothers this year have the usual thick stem, If you want bigger arms you dont stop working out everyday, so you can sit on the couch and micro-tear the muscle fibre, you need to work it.
If the fan pushes them over then it is too much, reposition your fan so it blows just over top of them and push them the other way.
You're talking about topping it? where? lol. There's no top.lol and if that was sarcasm i'm sorry, my sarcaso-meter is in the shop.
You have/are being told to pull them, they just started!!
You have a pretty good looking set-up, lots of money invested, and I think you just have to let them grow!
Fan on, heat down, all the time.
I would have left "kate" to try and come back, she was already rooted, I think you were too fast to kill.
I think your 600w is going to heat your whole apartment up, I would exhaust out the bathroom vent and put a block of that odour absorbing gell inside or directly in front of the air intake or I seen the gell in a bottom of a hole filled bucket, (around the sides) with a small fan set into the lid blowing air into the bucket.
Good Luck. (i know what they are called, it was too late, and I was too tired. lol)

Right.. well thanks for trying to help dude. I appreciate that.
- I already have 2 small fans blowing over the tops of them.. They dance.
I have a portable AC on the way that will cool off the exhausted 600w, after it has been vented into my room.
Normally people don't top until the 4th or 5th node has developed. Earlier -on this thread- I stated I wouldn't be topping until the 6th or 7th node had developed.. so as to get 4 large colas, and also to have a strong enough cutting to flower.. so as to determine sex.
That seem right?

These little focker's are lookin prettier and prettier. Finally some root action goin on down below.. I LOVE MY TAP WATER> i didn't ever think I'd say that.. but the chlorine is killing whatever microbial problems I would normally be having, and the Ca and Mg ppm is so high that I don't have to feed!
Once the roots hit the drink, there is a real difference in the leaf development - both the reservoirs are on 1/4 strength nutes.

ROCKER333 said:

I think your 600w is going to heat your whole apartment up, I would exhaust out the bathroom vent and put a block of that odour absorbing gell inside or directly in front of the air intake or I seen the gell in a bottom of a hole filled bucket, (around the sides) with a small fan set into the lid blowing air into the bucket.
Good Luck. (i know what they are called, it was too late, and I was too tired. lol)

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The exhaust fan in the bathroom just vents air in-between the sheet rock - trust me, I thought about it - I'd rather my room smell like weed than my entire apt building. I don't think it will though, my carbon scrub is fuckin huge. and it'll have a total of 800+cfm's pullin

ROCKER333 said:

People are telling you dont need it ,if you turn it off it really, really won't help. lol
Right now your seedlings should be moving (but not being whipped around) almost constantly The movement is what thickens the stem. All my cuttings and my mothers this year have the usual thick stem, If you want bigger arms you dont stop working out everyday, so you can sit on the couch and micro-tear the muscle fibre, you need to work it.
If the fan pushes them over then it is too much, reposition your fan so it blows just over top of them and push them the other way.
You're talking about topping it? where? lol. There's no top.lol and if that was sarcasm i'm sorry, my sarcaso-meter is in the shop.
You have/are being told to pull them, they just started!!
You have a pretty good looking set-up, lots of money invested, and I think you just have to let them grow!
Fan on, heat down, all the time.
I would have left "kate" to try and come back, she was already rooted, I think you were too fast to kill.
I think your 600w is going to heat your whole apartment up, I would exhaust out the bathroom vent and put a block of that odour absorbing gell inside or directly in front of the air intake or I seen the gell in a bottom of a hole filled bucket, (around the sides) with a small fan set into the lid blowing air into the bucket.
Good Luck. (i know what they are called, it was too late, and I was too tired. lol)

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Rocker makes some good points. The fans are important to be positioned carefully, but the whole reason I was suggesting you spray them down so often was for the same reason. Spraying down only works as seedlings to keep them thick, I just didn't know if you had a fan yet. But always be using your fans or switching them up. After switching my veg room I went one rotation without extra fans in my veg room (minus my 4" inline) and I ended up with a bunch of thin sticks I was forced to lollipop and throw into flower. I really really packed them in to make up for some yield.

I have seen some people top plants while they were still very young, maybe with one more node than you have right now, and they turned out to be some pretty good toppings. However, this is your first rodeo, and we'll play by the book this first round. Or you can use Pirate Code, just keep it close.

Kate probably would have made it, with a white pearly root she probably would have made a turn around. But the thing is; I was asked if it should stay. Now if it were my first round I personally would have tried to nurse it back to health with that 50/50 chance it would have ended up rocking my garden out with big fat nugs. However I am extremely selective after doing this for a while, when I do seeds or clones, I do a lot of them, and cull out any weak plants that I don't think will be pulling enough weight or that I may need to give special attention too or spend extra money on to get to the harvest.

In retrospect it would probably have been a good idea for our friend Thegreenhornet to nurse it back to health and learn a lesson on how to do so, or how to act when a seedling does this. But I have anxiety issues, and for me the seedling would not have been worth the stress. Especially when I can call up a seedbank and sweet talk them into more seeds.

600w will probably heat up your apartment 1 or 2 degrees. Until last night I had a tent set up in my room with a 600w exhaust blasting on my face in my sleep. It's not so bad, as long as you don't mind sleeping in the nude. The gel stuff works good, but I stopped using it, it can leave some flavor on your nugs if the air is allowed to sit in the room with your nugs. It is absolutely fantastic for your bed room, bathroom, or anywhere else that may reek of weed. Even if the Landlord stops by for an inspection, he wont smell a thing with Ona all over your house.

Ok - So I got my calibration fluid in today. One 7.0pH, one 4.01, and a 1000ppm pf NaCl. (I made sure to wash the meter afterwards, because salt kills plants fast from what I've read). The meter was off by less than .1 on the pH, the temperature was correct, and the ppm was correct.
This means that a few of my seedlings with roots have been drinking 800-1000ppm's !!
Maybe that's why they look so damn good, idk. Actually only three of them look super good, and they are probably males.
One had droopy leaves, one of the new JackHammer seedlings.. and the other JackHammer looks strangely wilted as well.. The KF3's look really strong, and I haven't had any problems with them so far.
Still haven't purged the res, maybe tonight I'll do it? I know I should, but the plants look good, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
The res hasen't been changed in around two weeks, give or take a few days..

RES A
Temp = 74
ppm = 810-850
pH = 5.7

RES B
Temp = 73
ppm = 920-960
pH = 5.9

Ok.. so the plant that has a little droopiness to it also has yellowing tips.. which I read indicates a possible nitrogen deficiency.
On the other hand, one of the JackHammers that just sprouted is really dark, which indicates nitrogen abundance. Possibly the yellowing tips and droopiness indicate a sulfur deficiency? Other plants look really good...