MR. NICE STRAINS AND SEEDS

lettuce said:

@GOLDBERG71 What can you tell me about your NL5 x Haze? Were you happy with it? When did you order the seeds?

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Yes I've grown a handful. I've only popped 6 of these. I got 100% germination rate and 5 turned out to be females. Of the females 3 of them had very large buds the other 2 had average size flowers. I only kept the cuttings of the 3 with large flowers. I'm not good at describing smells and tastes. I simply smoke to much not just the lefty smokes but I smoke the righties also. But I will say I liked everything about it. One cuttings actually got little buds on the fan leaves. With lots of sugar. They grow tall. With new seeds I don't top until I can use the part I'm removing for a cutting. I sex them and remove males. Then I transplant from 1 gal to 5 gal pots. So my first run with any new strain that is tall gives me trouble. So I had to bend all 5 females. But it wasn't tall as Nevil haze. I'm looking at my notes and they tended to get purple color on the stalks. As far as potency goes I'd say this. I'll have no problem selling it. When I was growing it - it was beautiful and I wanted to keep it and possibly cross it and I still do. But when it came to smoking it. It's still in jars because I prefer SSH, La Niña, original amnesia (dinafem), and a daughter to the OG amnesia. Those seem to be my go to strains. But I've had 15 strains on hand for the last 3 years. So I've become a snob. My clients have nothing but great things to say about all of them.

I'm currently battling spider mites and might wind up losing what I have. Everything is small now and if I can't wipe them out in the next 2 weeks I'll be going back to ground zero. I'll be keeping better notes and instead of grow several strains at once I'm going to concentrate on growing a larger selection of a single strain. This way I'm not carrying so many different strain. But only keeping things that are as good as or better than what I've found in the last 4-5 years. And if a strain doesn't meet the cut it will be illiminated. But I can say this. NL5/HAZE will get another shot on a wider scale if I lose the 3 I have now.

I'll post a picture next. I can't say it's the best Or prettiest bud there was but the jar was easy to find. So I don't mind sharing a picture. Just remember it's just a bud I pulled from the first jar o found.

I bought the seeds last year. I didn't grow them until this winter.

They all finished at the same time and took 68 days of flowering. So the time isn't bad at all. When I started I cared a lot more about flowering time than I do now. I think nothing of 11/12 weeks so bear that in mind for anything I say. But I've found that the good things take time hence I'm willing to wait. After the time it takes to sex, transplant , and maintain a strain in the library what the hell is an extra week or 2 for a product that is killer?? But that's just my 2cents.

These are pics of the 3 I kept. It seems I only took finished pictures of #1....#3+#4 I guess I didn't take them because I planned on growing them again? but I do have a picture of each at day 56 that I included. The fan leaf bud shots came off #4. I hope this helped?! Don't be discouraged by what I said about it's strength. I had high hopes for this strain and still do. I just found when it came to smoking it I had stuff I prefered more. This strain hasn't made it's way to the clients yet. People RAVE about mango haze. I grew that out also and must say I never liked the way it tasted when smoked. I can't even make it through a joint or bowl with out putting it down and going to one of the above mentioned strains. But I have clients who loved it they just didn't want to pay any more for it than say SHIT. Well that doesn't work for me. Shit takes no more than 8 weeks to flower and mango not only is much harder to manage because it has weak stems and super long side branches but takes all 11 weeks to finish. Shit on the other hand requires no support or attention other than feeding it and flowers much faster.

Those fan leaves with buds on them still make my eyes water everytime I see them. If that's not eye candy I don't know what is!

GOLDBERG71 said:

Those fan leaves with buds on them still make my eyes water everytime I see them. If that's not eye candy I don't know what is!

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Thats great. Thanks for the reply. I've been researching Mr. Nice and find that people either love them and say they're the best or that everything they do goes hermie and isn't what it used to be. So it's either love or shit talking. Anyways, glad to hear your experience has been good and that you're getting excellent dna from them. I'd shell out a little extra for your hazes any day, brother. When you release your NL5HZ to the world, let me know what they think. Peace

lettuce said:

Thats great. Thanks for the reply. I've been researching Mr. Nice and find that people either love them and say they're the best or that everything they do goes hermie and isn't what it used to be. So it's either love or shit talking. Anyways, glad to hear your experience has been good and that you're getting excellent dna from them. I'd shell out a little extra for your hazes any day, brother. When you release your NL5HZ to the world, let me know what they think. Peace

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As far as I know the only complaints about hermies was with the strain ORTEGA. I have a pack but haven't popped them because of those posts. But I got them cheap and figured at some point I'd give them a try. Other than 5 free beans with my first order the only other breeder I've tried was serious seeds AK 47. Of all the seeds I've popped I've only gotten 1 hermie. And it was a La Niña. That's not to say I haven't run across the rare pollen sac where a side branch meets the main stem. But I think that's a natural thing as a last ditch survival mechanism. So if for some reason only females survived the plant won't go extinct in nature. I purposely pick my flowers at the end of the "ripe period" so I get some female beans. Some breeders such as soma for example use this perfectly natural reflex to produce their FEM seeds. In situations like this it shouldn't be referred to as a hermie in my opinion. Some will say by definition I'm wrong. But bear in mind I'm not talking about pollen coming from with in the buds themselves. I think I've seen 2 plants that got a few (less than 5) single naners in buds on those 2 plants. I wouldn't keep those. But the La Niña I had was no doubt a hermie. It was the oddest thing I've seen. There was male pollen sacs all over each and every bud and they showed up well before it was even close to finishing. At first site it was yanked. The 2 I spoke of with just a couple of male flowers I was able to pull them with tweezers before any pollen actually developed and no others popped up. To be honest I don't know why anyone wouldn't like MNS. If you join their forum and sign up for auction and have patientence. You can't beat the deals you can get there. I've private messages shanti several times. Each time he's responded in what I would consider a short period of time. As few as 7 days and up to 3 weeks. He offered me a free pack of any G13 I wanted. Before I ever bought from him directly. I had poor germination rates with 2 packs of beans out of the 30 packs or so I've bought. Granted I still have a pile of beans yet to use. But in no way would I say that MNS has a hermie problem. I got them both on the cheap from his auction. 1 batch although 1/2 didn't germinate all but 1 was female. All I hope for is a 50% female rate. So I had no complaints in the end because I still had the expected number to select from. The other I got 7 to pop and still 5 were female. So on this batch I wound up with half as many to choose from. I did want anything I just PM him and asked a question about it. Because I noticed that between the 2 strains they had 1 thing in common. That was both strains had very tiny seeds. They were mature that couldn't be denied. But I thought he might have suggested I use a nail file on the smaller beans? Or something else. About a week later he replied saying he was sorry but it happens sometimes. He asked for an address and told me there would be replacement packs sent to me AT NO COST. Of course I replied and told him where to send it and that I had an order waiting to be shipped. He made sure those packs were added to my order.
Keep in mind a certain number of seeds off any plant will not germinate. Maybe these seeds needed a little higher temp then they got? But I know them not popping wasn't because he did something wrong. He didn't ask for pictures or question my methods or knowledge. Simply replaced them and was going to pay to ship them to me. First off I bought them at less than 50% of retail to begin with. And now I have what I got out of the original packs (if not for my spider mites) but now I also have a full pack of each strain when I want to return to it! Just plan ahead and order before you need anything. They work European schedules. They take more time off than here in the U.S. So if you order at the wrong time they could be off for 6 weeks or so. But other than that I wouldn't question their integrity and willingness to help you any way they can. That goes for the moderators of the forums and Simone who handles payments and auctions too. Keep communication as brief as possible and to the point as possible and ONLY SEND 1 email. They aren't ignoring you if it takes longer than you like - don't be surprised it's not Amazon. Many people think with the Internet these guys have no life other than to wait to reply to their emails. They don't need to deal with us every "broker" sells his gear. They want to help us that's why he has the auctions and discounts for medical patients with doctors notes, being a forum member, or buying over a certain amount. Those discounts ONLY apply for direct sales NOT the auctions though. Any questions email Simone at sales. I think she's the most overloaded so don't expect a reply the following day.

The reality is seeds should probably be like car batteries. You can walk out of the store with a new battery but once that battery is connected to the cables there are no returns. If buying seeds you really shouldn't complain unless the seeds arrived crushed. Because once those seeds hit the soil or paper towels as the case may be they should be nonrefundable. Because so much depends on how they are handled. You might wonder how can you trust the breeder but how can the breeder trust you? That's why a good rep is so important. Some knuckle head could water them with full strength nutes after placing the seeds in the soil or leave the plate with wet towels in a room at 40 degrees.

any1 tryed mr nice g13/hash plant? whats evry1s experience?

How about ssh do they have herm issues

petedav said:

any1 tryed mr nice g13/hash plant? whats evry1s experience?

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That's 1 I haven't tried. I'm trying to salvage my first batch of G13. But I'm starting with the HAZE cross first. I'm sure I will win my battle with spider mites but I'm not as sure my plants will survive. If they do I won't have the results for awhile.

Newgrowth42o said:

How about ssh do they have herm issues

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Let me repeat this. As far as I know the only hermie issues with MNS strains all revolve around ONE strain. And it's ORTEGA. This strain is from an old batch of seeds shanti found from NL#1 and NL#5. With all the notoriety NL has shanti wanted to keep and spread the genetics. I have no experience with this strain YET. BUT I can say I've read many threads on the MNS forum that this strain is VERY hermie prone. I've also read that if you create F2s that the issue goes away. That doesn't make sense to me but there is a thread from a guy who tried it and that's what he reported. Reintroducing NL was well intended. But with the reports on this single strain I'm surprised he still sells it. My hope is the issue is solved. But I'm so concerned I have no plans on popping my pack anytime soon. Maybe if it laws change and I can grow in my backyard. But my space is to valuable to me for that experiment at this time.

So as far as SSH or anything else OTHER than ORTEGA there are no hermie issues. However if you grow from seed long enough you will encounter them from time to time. Even humans are born with both sex organs rarely. Plants are no different every once in awhile the genes for a single seed with be screwed up. Plant those SSH and enjoy. It's very easy to grow. I always suggest keeping your 3 favorites and running them together for a 2nd time before you make your final selection.

lettuce said:

Thats great. Thanks for the reply. I've been researching Mr. Nice and find that people either love them and say they're the best or that everything they do goes hermie and isn't what it used to be. So it's either love or shit talking. Anyways, glad to hear your experience has been good and that you're getting excellent dna from them. I'd shell out a little extra for your hazes any day, brother. When you release your NL5HZ to the world, let me know what they think. Peace

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they are worth a try imo, if you like mostly sativa dominated crosses
they have lots of vigor and many are high yielding
lots of phenotypes so its upto you to select what suits you

i have had no problems with potency or hermies
only criticism i would make is lack of more indica doms in the strain library
and i would like a bit more uniformity with phenotypes

if you have the space to get the numbers up, and grow a couple of packs of SSH you can end up with a very nice plant indeed
but if you only have room for small numbers as with many strains/breeders you might not get what you want

peace

skunkd0c said:

they are worth a try imo, if you like mostly sativa dominated crosses
they have lots of vigor and many are high yielding
lots of phenotypes so its upto you to select what suits you

i have had no problems with potency or hermies
only criticism i would make is lack of more indica doms in the strain library
and i would like a bit more uniformity with phenotypes

if you have the space to get the numbers up, and grow a couple of packs of SSH you can end up with a very nice plant indeed
but if you only have room for small numbers as with many strains/breeders you might not get what you want

peace

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That's the nature of the beast. It's always about selection selection selection. And there's no way around it - that takes space and time. The only short cut here is INLINE BREEDING. That's why so many people work the MNS gear and sell it under another name. But the trade off here is that someone else is doing the selection. I personally want to do that selecting myself. We all have different tastes. Like I've said before many people rave about mango haze. But I can't finish a bowl of it.

GOLDBERG71 said:

That's the nature of the beast. It's always about selection selection selection. And there's no way around it - that takes space and time. The only short cut here is INLINE BREEDING. That's why so many people work the MNS gear and sell it under another name. But the trade off here is that someone else is doing the selection. I personally want to do that selecting myself. We all have different tastes. Like I've said before many people rave about mango haze. But I can't finish a bowl of it.

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yes this is true, but some require higher numbers than others,
i would also rather see mns crossing their strains with some of the better clone only plants around today mixing some of the kush with the haze
rather than others like gage green doing the same thing with mns stock (afghan haze) etc ,

but they are dead against that over at mns , traditionalists or aussie pride or something
im sure bubba kush x ssh would be a good seller if shanti asked neville nicely to make it for him we would all be winners
seems a shame to me , who wants to buy from gage green when you could buy from the legend that is shantibabaaaaa

peace

skunkd0c said:

yes this is true, but some require higher numbers than others,
i would also rather see mns crossing their strains with some of the better clone only plants around today mixing some of the kush with the haze
rather than others like gage green doing the same thing with mns stock (afghan haze) etc ,

but they are dead against that over at mns , traditionalists or aussie pride or something
im sure bubba kush x ssh would be a good seller if shanti asked neville nicely to make it for him we would all be winners
seems a shame to me , who wants to buy from gage green when you could buy from the legend that is shantibabaaaaa

peace

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I'm no breeder or chemist but I think the origins of your complaint comes from the fact that some strains are poly hybrids. The more strains combined leads to more phenos. The more phenos the greater the variety within the strain. But each pheno should still be good. It just makes it harder to narrow it down. (Selection, selection, selection)

I don't know what happened between shanti and nevil. I don't think anyone does and those close enough won't speak. But as far back as they go to seperate now it must have been bad. I think it was Nev recruiting people from the forum to test and or help supply new genetics to the holy grain creation? So I wouldn't hold my breathe on them working together again. From what I understand Nev wasn't to involved for a long time. But what he did early can't be over looked. I think he created and shanti produced and maintained. Not to say shanti didn't create his own. Super silver haze used Nevil selected parents and mango haze used Shanti selected parents from the same crops. The word on the boards was Shanti didn't lose any parents nor did Nev take anything. He did get a bunch of Nev haze seeds just the same as you or I would buy. Or that's the story and everyone's sticking to it. I haven't been able to find any word on Nev since that I would trust. I have seen some sites "claiming" to sell his gear. But if and when he returns I think we'll all know and his stock would be available at many reputable brokers. Not these shotty no bodies like old school breeders association.

As for not introducing new genetics to the MNS library I can't speak to that. I don't know if that would be good or bad. But so many strains that have won awards or notoriety have been derived from their gear. There's no reason why you or I couldn't do that ourselves. There must be a good reason for it though. Because Nev and Shanti have forgotten more than most of the pollen chuckers have learned. I'm not sure I'd be happy if I popped 20 beans and every female was identical.

After the couple of years I've been doing it I can tell you this. As time went on and I had done all my selecting and had fine tuned each grow. IT GOT BORING. I slowly paid less attention. Eventually I got spider mites and didn't notice right away. Because I was no longer in there giving them the TLC they deserved. Now I'm on my 3rd round of battling them and truth be told. I think I'm rooting for the freaking bugs. Since everything I have now is small it would be easy to throw them out.

Starting from scratch I think would invigorate me. The knowledge I've gained I know I could select better. I've been preparing myself for it. I've stopped buying single packs. Now I'm only buying spring or winter cleanings of the strains I've already tried. I've been in continual rotation of about 15 strains. Some I would only run 1 plant for myself others I'd grow more of. But until now I've been all about variety. I had already cut my library in half prepping for the transition. So the mites just might speed it up. Who knows I could be popping 50-60 seeds of SSH, La Niña, Shit, or one of the others I have in stock by the end of the month.

My bud just had me order critical mass for him, how legit is that?

Slimjimham said:

My bud just had me order critical mass for him, how legit is that?

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From a personal stand point it wasn't strong enough for me. But I'm a heavy smoker. If you're cash cropping you should like it. The flowers are large. I'm not good on describing smells or tastes. But everything I've grown smelled good and the only taste that turned me off was mango haze. But everyone has different opinions. I will add this I've run critical skunk as well and I'll take Shit over that any day. So I'm not rushing or considering popping anything with critical in it. I'm a smoke snob. I'm not growing anything for quantity alone. I think everything to do with this strain is based around yield. When I'm selecting yield is last on my list. My list is short. Potency, taste, sugar, smell, bag appeal and yield. Usually I can tell I'm going to like it by taking it out of the jar. If the eyes are wide before it opens and my fingers are stuck together and someone can smell my fingers from across the room and all you've done is touch a single bud...... I'm going to like it. When you have to wash your hands after touching it if your leaving the house your talking my language.
So to sum it I think this strain sacrifices potency for size.

Yeah, I was trying to talk him out of it because I'm for looking for the top shelf elite. He just wants weight which I told him he'll be stuck with if it's not great. I have heard good things here and there about it though

Slimjimham said:

Yeah, I was trying to talk him out of it because I'm for looking for the top shelf elite. He just wants weight which I told him he'll be stuck with if it's not great. I have heard good things here and there about it though

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I don't think he'll be stuck with it. My patients will sacrifice potency for price any day. It always makes me wonder. They have no problem smoking more of it. So they might pass 2 around. But when I pull mine out everyone starts talking about smells and tastes and my single does the trick. So their real problem is themselves. Yes they'll pay a bit more for it but it should last longer. But the silly people smoke it at the same rate as the weak stuff.

I mixed some girl scout cookie and Pure Kush together.
Tasted like hot garbage. Literally.

taGyo said:

I mixed some girl scout cookie and Pure Kush together.
Tasted like hot garbage. Literally.

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Hmm that doesn't sound pleasant.