Moving w/Felony conviction

racerboy71 · Jul 20, 2014

i have a felony for a possession charge, i just got a job this week... right on the front page of the application, have you ever been convicted of a felony... i skipped over it and filled out the rest, and came back and decided to be honest.. if you're caught lying on an application for any reason, it's grounds for firing, so i was honest..
i get called into the office for the interview, dude is looking over my app, skips over the first page, and starts asking about my work history.. i'm like woo fucking hoo, he's not even going to ask about my conviction.. finishes up my work history, then he flips back to the first page.. oh, i see you've been convicted of a felony? umm, fuck, yeah i have, for drugs, but i' have 13 years clean this past may 13th, and dude was like congrats, that's awesome, i'm sure it wasn't easy, can you start tomorrow?

Doer · Jul 20, 2014

So reformed.

racerboy71 · Jul 20, 2014

Doer said:
So reformed.

lol, i'm a far cry from the person i was 13 years ago, that's for damn sure..

Johnny Vapor · Jul 20, 2014

racerboy71 said:
lol, i'm a far cry from the person i was 13 years ago, that's for damn sure..

Aren't we all brother....congrats on the 13 years. BTW I've got a "convicted felon" working for me. One of the best employees I've ever had. Point is, we all change.

vro · Jul 20, 2014

now im a felon and scrilla is all that im smellin

racerboy71 · Jul 20, 2014

vro said:
now im a felon and scrilla is all that im smellin

don't quit your day job, i don't think that rapping career is gonna pay off the mad scrilla, call it a hunch.. :hump:

theexpress · Jul 20, 2014

Doer said:
No you are just guessing.

I on the other hand, am a Sr. Mgr at a big Tech company and have hired and terminated, around 50 people. Not all I hired were terminated, only a few, but there were others I let go for cause.

There is no national data base of criminal record by name. Not legal, or there would be. It is state by state.

If you don't say anything they cannot check.

In CA, because we all know this, they can't even ask. If they can't ask they have nothing to check. And with this ruling, it means checking is not allowed, iac.

my shit from chicago didnt show up in socal

bigbuddin84 · Jul 21, 2014

Doer said:
No you are just guessing.

I on the other hand, am a Sr. Mgr at a big Tech company and have hired and terminated, around 50 people. Not all I hired were terminated, only a few, but there were others I let go for cause.

There is no national data base of criminal record by name. Not legal, or there would be. It is state by state.

If you don't say anything they cannot check.

In CA, because we all know this, they can't even ask. If they can't ask they have nothing to check. And with this ruling, it means checking is not allowed, iac.

I don't normally call people on their BS, because well, it is the forums and BS is rampant. However, due to the type of misinformation being spread, I feel I must. You are said in your post that if the felon doesn't mention the felony, the employer can't look. I'm sorry but that is TOTAL BS. Many employers have a legal obligation to check. You are telling me that if a pedo tries to get a job as a bus driver, he can just not mention it, and the employer can't do a background check?!? Not even close. That bus company would have have a legal obligation to check, due to liability issues.

You also claim to be a Senior Manager at a "big tech company". Again, there are legal obligations for any big company that handles personal data to check the background of prospective employees. If someone was convicted of identity fraud, you definitely don't want them being able to have access to SSNs, B-day, addresses, etc. If this company did not do background checks and all that info got stolen by this new employee, the company would be at fault for not ensuring he was fit for the job. And by fit, I mean no convictions for identity theft.

Doer said:
You guys are assuming they will even check.

If you don't say anything, they cannot check.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB218

This is a copy of the bill you are mentioning. I took a key excerpt from it.
"This bill, commencing July 1, 2014, would prohibit a state or local agency from asking an applicant to disclose information regarding a criminal conviction, except as specified, until the agency has determined the applicant meets the minimum employment qualifications for the position."
It states it right there in black and white. No where does it say they cannot check. The whole point of this bill is to keep people from automatically being denied due to being a felon. They don't want companies having 2 different application stacks. The non felon stack and the felon stack(trash can material). That is what they are trying to prevent.

If you were in senior management at a tech company and did hiring and firing, you would know this without a doubt. You obviously have no clue as to what you are spewing, so yea....total BS.

LIBERTYCHICKEN · Jul 21, 2014

racerboy71 said:
i have a felony for a possession charge, i just got a job this week... right on the front page of the application, have you ever been convicted of a felony... i skipped over it and filled out the rest, and came back and decided to be honest.. if you're caught lying on an application for any reason, it's grounds for firing, so i was honest..
i get called into the office for the interview, dude is looking over my app, skips over the first page, and starts asking about my work history.. i'm like woo fucking hoo, he's not even going to ask about my conviction.. finishes up my work history, then he flips back to the first page.. oh, i see you've been convicted of a felony? umm, fuck, yeah i have, for drugs, but i' have 13 years clean this past may 13th, and dude was like congrats, that's awesome, i'm sure it wasn't easy, can you start tomorrow?

I have had the dis-privilege of hiring a few people, In the plumbing industry so many are fellons

When someone told me "I have ben clean since" First thing i think is addict ex or otherwise , instead of mayabe just a kid made a mistake.

Red1966 · Jul 21, 2014

flipnlu said:
My apologies for the late response and I appreciate all the information. Unfortunately to say the least I served 4 months in county. Find it baffling that a legal state would still find it problematic. Would it still be a good idea to pursue my degree/certification in the IT field? Should I change my major seek trade school. For the mean time I've worked several jobs from brick laying to installing & programming servers. I know this board isn't necessarily the place to ask i'm just curious and appreciate someone with any wisdom from every point of view.

I suggest you just lie on the application and hope they don't check. The better jobs usually do check, tho. The bigger the outfit, the more likely they are to check. Construction jobs almost never check.

Red1966 · Jul 21, 2014

Doer said:
Very soon, it will be illegal to even ask.

In fact, already in my State, this is happening.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/State-job-applications-won-t-ask-about-criminal-4885798.php
People who seek jobs with state or local government agencies in California will not be asked on their initial applications whether they have been convicted of a crime, under legislation that was signed into law Thursday by Gov. Jerry Brown.

AB218 by Assemblyman Roger Dickinson, D-Sacramento, effective in July, will prohibit most government employers from requiring disclosure of past convictions on initial applications, information that often ends any realistic job prospects. Supporters promoted the bill as offering a second chance to ex-offenders.

By doing that, I see serious litigation against the State for gross negligence. First time a government employee with a past criminal history harms someone. What do they mean by "initial applications"? Does that mean they can never ask?

Red1966 · Jul 21, 2014

racerboy71 said:
i have a felony for a possession charge, i just got a job this week... right on the front page of the application, have you ever been convicted of a felony... i skipped over it and filled out the rest, and came back and decided to be honest.. if you're caught lying on an application for any reason, it's grounds for firing, so i was honest..
i get called into the office for the interview, dude is looking over my app, skips over the first page, and starts asking about my work history.. i'm like woo fucking hoo, he's not even going to ask about my conviction.. finishes up my work history, then he flips back to the first page.. oh, i see you've been convicted of a felony? umm, fuck, yeah i have, for drugs, but i' have 13 years clean this past may 13th, and dude was like congrats, that's awesome, i'm sure it wasn't easy, can you start tomorrow?

13 years clean? I suspect not.

Red1966 · Jul 21, 2014

bigbuddin84 said:
I don't normally call people on their BS, because well, it is the forums and BS is rampant. However, due to the type of misinformation being spread, I feel I must. You are said in your post that if the felon doesn't mention the felony, the employer can't look. I'm sorry but that is TOTAL BS. Many employers have a legal obligation to check. You are telling me that if a pedo tries to get a job as a bus driver, he can just not mention it, and the employer can't do a background check?!? Not even close. That bus company would have have a legal obligation to check, due to liability issues.

You also claim to be a Senior Manager at a "big tech company". Again, there are legal obligations for any big company that handles personal data to check the background of prospective employees. If someone was convicted of identity fraud, you definitely don't want them being able to have access to SSNs, B-day, addresses, etc. If this company did not do background checks and all that info got stolen by this new employee, the company would be at fault for not ensuring he was fit for the job. And by fit, I mean no convictions for identity theft.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201320140AB218

This is a copy of the bill you are mentioning. I took a key excerpt from it.
"This bill, commencing July 1, 2014, would prohibit a state or local agency from asking an applicant to disclose information regarding a criminal conviction, except as specified, until the agency has determined the applicant meets the minimum employment qualifications for the position."
It states it right there in black and white. No where does it say they cannot check. The whole point of this bill is to keep people from automatically being denied due to being a felon. They don't want companies having 2 different application stacks. The non felon stack and the felon stack(trash can material). That is what they are trying to prevent.

If you were in senior management at a tech company and did hiring and firing, you would know this without a doubt. You obviously have no clue as to what you are spewing, so yea....total BS.

So all this does is increase costs for the State? And give false hope to felons? And buy Jerry Brown re-election? La-La Land, what can you say?

bigbuddin84 · Jul 21, 2014

Red1966 said:
So all this does is increase costs for the State? And give false hope to felons? And buy Jerry Brown re-election? La-La Land, what can you say?

Precisely. MORE VOTES

racerboy71 · Jul 22, 2014

Red1966 said:
13 years clean? I suspect not.

sure, if you count weed.. i haven't touched smack or coke, or pills, and hardly even drink, you know, real drugs, so yes, i'm not in na, any mind or mood altering substances, fuck all that noise, so i have absolutely no issue saying i have 13 years clean.. not at all..

kmog33 · Jul 22, 2014

Depending on if youre felony ended you up in state or federal jail. I know in california within the state the counties dont always get along and your info wont even pass from la to fresno or san fran. I would assume this is an even bigger problem between states, also not all states will extradite to other states lol.

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Doer · Jul 22, 2014

And just change you name. That's what I did.

Tell no one, anything.

Doer · Jul 22, 2014

racerboy71 said:
sure, if you count weed.. i haven't touched smack or coke, or pills, and hardly even drink, you know, real drugs, so yes, i'm not in na, any mind or mood altering substances, fuck all that noise, so i have absolutely no issue saying i have 13 years clean.. not at all..

Yeah. Good on you.

"Clean up, get busy, make more money." Doer

Doer · Jul 22, 2014

bigbuddin84 said:
Precisely. MORE VOTES

You say that like voting is bad and that votes are not worth anything. That's Commie talk.

The point is, reform of society. The point is equal protection under the Law.. The point is the need to save money and get people to work.

The point is the racial inequality has allowed a vastly out of proportion, dark prison population of pot smokers that can't get a job.

bigbuddin84 · Jul 22, 2014

Doer said:
You say that like voting is bad and that votes are not worth anything. That's Commie talk.

Out of everything that I said, you think my message is voting is bad, and I'm a communist. Interesting.

Doer said:
The point is, reform of society. The point is equal protection under the Law.. The point is the need to save money and get people to work.

So your answer is to let felons have any job they desire, regardless of their past? You feel that felons should have the same rights as non-felons? You have to have restrictions. I don't want someone convicted of embezzlement handling my retirement account. Do you?

Doer said:
The point is the racial inequality has allowed a vastly out of proportion, dark prison population of pot smokers that can't get a job.

Wait...this is about race now? Who goes to prison for SMOKING pot? Sorry for all the questions, but you seem to be all over the board here. Not making a lot of sense.

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