motorcyclist arrested for videotaping cop during traffic stop!

doc111

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In the digital age nearly everyone has a video camera on their cellphone. We sometimes video tape our pets or children doing funny things, sometimes we videotape things that catch our interest. Every once in a someone catches somebody doing something illegal or just wrong. In this case a man was speeding on his motorcycle and doing wheelies. He had a helmet mounted camera so he could tape his wheelies or whatever. I won't spoil the ending but suffice it to say it surprised me that you could be arrested for filming the police without their permission. I did a search and came up with tons of similar cases of citizens being arrested for filming the police without their permission. Now why wouldn't a cop want to be filmed? I mean, if they aren't doing anything wrong, why not let people film you? :?

http://jwlf.org/2010/04/27/motorcyclist-jailed-for-26-hours-for-videotaping-gun-wielding-cop/


[video=youtube;BHjjF55M8JQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjjF55M8JQ&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 

newbud123

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pulling out a gun on a dude on a motorcycle with no uniform, no id, in an unmarked car, really?

that cops dick
 

doc111

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pulling out a gun on a dude on a motorcycle with no uniform, no id, in an unmarked car, really?

that cops dick
Where I live a cop can only pull you over if he is in a marked car or in uniform. If he is in an unmarked car and no uniform, he can't stop you, period! If a cop is in a marked car with no uniform, he can pull you over. He's lucky he didn't get shot. If I saw some guy coming at me like that with no uniform, no badge, waving a gun around.............I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself.:fire:
 

gogrow

confused
me and a friend had the same thing happen to us in new orleans once.... cops were straight up harrassing someone, then proceeded to use excessive force, (common there) and we were getting it on film.... they got pretty heated once they saw.
 

tip top toker

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i figured that was what the badge was for... apparently not, this guy is ridiculous.

as said, if i were sat ontop of that rather racey motorbike and a random guy had jumped out of his car with a gun in hand, i'd probably have just opened up straight at him with however many horsepowers, eh's like 2 foot away, gun down, ya could flatten him:P

how can the judges name not be disclosed? that is crap, as is the fact that his bond was psoted at $15,000 max for the arrest being $10,000, how does that work? sure that could be some kind of kidnapping by the police if he's locked up under illegal release conditions? it's america though, you guys have some funky stuff going on at times
 

fdd2blk

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are you guys serious?


this time the cop was actually doing his job. HE did not pull out a gun because dude had a camera, he pulled out a gun because dude was ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF OTHERS. he is a COP and has every right to do so. dude would have sped off otherwise. you can see he was being chased and was cut off, by what looked like SEVERAL vehicles. plus he had a MARKED TROOPER on his ass. appears to me like it may have been a PURSUIT.

"stop, or i'll shoot!"

seriously, this is the worst cop hate thread ever. :roll:
 

gogrow

confused
are you guys serious?


this time the cop was actually doing his job. HE did not pull out a gun because dude had a camera, he pulled out a gun because dude was ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF OTHERS. he is a COP and has every right to do so. dude would have sped off otherwise. you can see he was being chased and was cut off, by what looked like SEVERAL vehicles. plus he had a MARKED TROOPER on his ass. appears to me like it may have been a PURSUIT.

"stop, or i'll shoot!"

seriously, this is the worst cop hate thread ever. :roll:
dont have sound, so dont watch video links on here.... was just posting from experience on the subject.
 

tip top toker

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have you even read the details and watched the 3 minute video? he pulled upto the junction atr maybe 15 miles an hour, at only one point, way earlier, had he been driving slightly reclessly, he had passed a marked car which had deemed him not an issue, this guy jumps out, shows no badge, points a gun, offers no identification even after shoutung to get off the bike a few times, he then tries to hide his gun when the marked car pulls up behind a few seconds later, look at his face. the 30s prior to getting pulled over, he is seen to be doing 67mph down the road, keeping with traffic, with only the unmarked car following, at a distance, with no lights or anything, he doesn't know he's being chased.

you really think him recording the video, wararnted his house being raided by 6 officers in the early hours of the morning on a week day, detaining his parents from work and his siblings from school,? really? wow.

at the time of the pulling, there was nothing "on his ass" in the sense that he was driving prefectly normally and came to a perfectly controlled stop from a very slow speed, it looks like he walks the bike back to let this car get in all the way as opposed to maybe sticking out, i can't really say either way on that bit.

sure he should pull the guy over if he wants, but not like that, and then not to follow up with such bullshit consequences.

the guy was charged with wiretapping, in a place where a cop can expect zero privacy, and then the judge stated on his release that she could not see what he had done wrong.

it's not about his speeding, it's about the whole manner in which he was pulled over and dealt with afterwards and such, the twisintg of laws to get a conviction, wiretapping, lol!
 

fdd2blk

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have you even read the details and watched the 3 minute video? he pulled upto the junction atr maybe 15 miles an hour, at only one point, way earlier, had he been driving slightly reclessly, he had passed a marked car which had deemed him not an issue, this guy jumps out, shows no badge, points a gun, offers no identification even after shoutung to get off the bike a few times, he then tries to hide his gun when the marked car pulls up behind a few seconds later, look at his face. the 30s prior to getting pulled over, he is seen to be doing 67mph down the road, keeping with traffic, with only the unmarked car following, at a distance, with no lights or anything, he doesn't know he's being chased.

you really think him recording the video, wararnted his house being raided by 6 officers in the early hours of the morning on a week day, detaining his parents from work and his siblings from school,? really? wow.

at the time of the pulling, there was nothing "on his ass" in the sense that he was driving prefectly normally and came to a perfectly controlled stop from a very slow speed, it looks like he walks the bike back to let this car get in all the way as opposed to maybe sticking out, i can't really say either way on that bit.

sure he should pull the guy over if he wants, but not like that, and then not to follow up with such bullshit consequences.

the guy was charged with wiretapping, in a place where a cop can expect zero privacy, and then the judge stated on his release that she could not see what he had done wrong.

it's not about his speeding, it's about the whole manner in which he was pulled over and dealt with afterwards and such, the twisintg of laws to get a conviction, wiretapping, lol!





i have NO idea what you are going on about. i saw a :24 second clip. :neutral:

i don't think the cop was "hiding" his gun, i think he was holstering it.
 

tip top toker

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yes, he holstered it, because the marked car ahd pulled up behind him. look at the shift of his eyues, he does not want to be seen with his gun drawn on a random biker. the video is out there, youtube, he certainly is being a bit reckless at times, but at the time of the arrest, it was certainly not a very logical way of going about it.

i also have to pint out, that based on his, and the bikers position, it would be a heck of a lot safer and sensible to simply push the sucker over if he tried riding off, than to try shooting him.

the bit that irks m more than the gun though, is just the way it was handled afterwards.

as posted by OP

http://jwlf.org/2010/04/27/motorcyclist-jailed-for-26-hours-for-videotaping-gun-wielding-cop/

i've yet to bother varifying that with another source, but the video should be on youtube, cop gun motorcyclist extended, something like that. if was said cop, just doing my job, i'd have pulled him over a long time before the guy did, and if this was as you say, the biker might have bolted, then surely the policeman is not in a legal position to make arrests if he doesn't have radio/light/siren etc in his car, else you'd have every police officer in the state driving around in their family cars justa rresting people over "he was doing 100mph damnit!" regardless. the story also states that the cops pulling over was based on an estimated speed of 100mph, no actual radar tken factual speed, so not very strong evidence in court.
 

fdd2blk

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you are making assumptions.


sounds to me like he could have easily been out "baiting cops". or simply breaking the law to show off on youtube. explain the camera to begin with. though it's not illegal to have a camera, he was breaking the law to get good footage so he could show off to his friends. a "further investigation" into what he was actually doing with these tapes was performed. nothing more was found. case closed.

since when are you excused from a search warrant because you have a note from your boss or teacher? :roll: seriuosly. :neutral:

next time you go out breaking the law on your motorbike, be ready to get in trouble. :dunce:

the cop may have "over reacted", but it had NOTHING to do with the camera. the dude on the bike was ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF INNOCENT DRIVERS FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN". he even admitted so. but that's ok, 'cause a cop was mean to him. :(
 

doc111

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are you guys serious?


this time the cop was actually doing his job. HE did not pull out a gun because dude had a camera, he pulled out a gun because dude was ENDANGERING THE LIVES OF OTHERS. he is a COP and has every right to do so. dude would have sped off otherwise. you can see he was being chased and was cut off, by what looked like SEVERAL vehicles. plus he had a MARKED TROOPER on his ass. appears to me like it may have been a PURSUIT.

"stop, or i'll shoot!"

seriously, this is the worst cop hate thread ever. :roll:
My issue isn't as much with the cop stopping him as it is with what this guy was charged with. I did not realize you could be arrested for taping a cop without their consent. He was charged with illegal wiretapping or something ridiculous. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous!:cuss:
 

SarcasticHobbes

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Dude there is a 4 minute video w/out sound on it. Shows he WASN'T speeding, there was no cops chasing him and he was doing nothing wrong.
 

doc111

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In case anybody didn't see the link I posted above the video I copied and pasted it for you::-P

Motorcyclist jailed for 26 hours for videotaping gun-wielding cop


After spending 26 hours in the Baltimore County Jail, Anthony Graber still doesn’t understand what he did wrong.
Sure, the 24-year-old man admits to speeding on his motorcycle, but does that merit having a plainclothes cop pull a gun on him?
Does that merit six state troopers raiding his parents’ home and seizing four computers at the crack of dawn?
Does that merit getting charged with a felony and threatened with five years in prison?
Of course it doesn’t
This is nothing but an obscene case of police intimidation. A Constitutional violation against a man who has served six years in the Air National Guard and who has never been arrested before.
A knee-jerk reaction from the Maryland State Police after Graber posted the video of the cop pulling a gun on him on Youtube (video is below).
That cop’s name is Joseph David Uhler, in case you were wondering. He has no business wearing a badge.
So how come he’s not being punished?
Well, we already know that answer. He’s above the law. They are above the law. The Maryland State Police Department, that is.
Why else would a judge sign a search warrant, allowing them to raid Graber’s parents home at 6:45 a.m. on a weekday, detaining his entire family for 90 minutes, forbidding his mother from going to work and younger sister from going to school while they rummaged through the family’s personal belongings?
And that judge’s name?
That’s a secret.
“There is no signature from the judge on the paperwork,” Graber said in an exclusive Photography is Not a Crime interview Thursday night, just hours after he was released from jail.
“They told me they don’t want you to know who the judge is because of privacy.
Is this America? Where cops are allowed to violate your Fourth Amendment rights – not to mention your First Amendment right to film them – on the approval of some secretive judge?
Well maybe not all judges agree.
“The judge who released me looked at the paperwork and said she didn’t see where I violated the wiretapping law.”
Ah yes, the wiretapping charge. That old standby that cops use when you happen to videotape them in public while they are on duty when they have absolutely no expectation of privacy.
Sure, the First Amendment supposedly allows us to photograph police in public. Numerous court rulings have determined that.
But now cops have turned to irrelevant wire-tapping charges to crack down against those who video them in public.
Those laws are designed to protect people whose voices are recorded in telephone calls. You know, when you actually have an expectation of privacy.
Fortunately, most judges end up throwing these charges out of court when the cops don’t have an expectation of privacy.
The case against Graber began on March 5 when he was speeding on his 2008 Honda CBR 1000RR motorcycle on Interstate 95. He had a video camera strapped to his helmet and was filming the ride.
He sped past Uhler’s unmarked car, who claimed he was popping a wheelie while traveling 100 mph.
And Uhler was only “visually estimating” his speed. He did not have a radar gun, which usually means it wouldn’t stand up in court.
Graber also admits to speeding past a marked car. However, he never heard any sirens behind him and even at one point in the video where Graber looks back, the only car behind him is Uhler’s unmarked car with no lights.
That was when Graber was already exiting the interstate. When he came to a complete stop behind the other cars at the exit, Uhler cut him off and hopped out of his car with a gun drawn, never flashing a badge and not identifying himself as an officer until several seconds later.
Uhler never mentioned that he pulled out his gun in his report.
But he did mention that he spotted “a strange looking object on the operator’s helmet that was later realized to be a video camera.”

The camera Graber was wearing when he was pulled over
And he did mention that he cited Graber a single citation for traveling 80 mph in a 65 mph zone.
So what’s the problem?
Well, Graber decided to post the video on Youtube, which made Uhler look like a thug.
In fact, if you look at the video, you’ll notice Uhler glance at the marked unit behind Graber and moved his gun behind him, as if trying to hide it from the other officer, before tucking it back into his pocket.
After all, an officer is only supposed to pull out his gun if he believes his life is in danger. Surely, that doesn’t happen with every traffic stop. Does it?
Ten days later, Uhler discovered that Graber posted the video online. Two videos. A longer one without audio and a shorter one with audio.
That prompted Uhler to issue an arrest warrant against Graber, citing that “Graber did not inform Tfc. Uhler that he was recording him by video or audio, thus violating criminal law 10-402(b).”
He also tacked on the charges of “reckless driving” and “negligent driving” to the arrest warrant.
And then six cops raided his parent’s home where Graber is living early one morning.
“They spent 90 minutes there,” he said.
“My mom had to go to work and they wouldn’t let her. My sister had to go to school and they wouldn’t let her.
“I just had gall bladder surgery and had bandages on my stomach.”
In fact, after a phone call to the commissioner, that was the only reason they didn’t arrest him on the spot. They told him he had to turn himself in when he got better, which he did.
“I just wanted to do the right thing,” he said.
When he showed up to the jail, they set his bond at $15,000, which is a little extravagant considering there is a maximum $10,000 fine for a wiretapping conviction.
He spent 26 hours in jail before he was released upon his own recognizance. The judge who released him took one look at the report and said that it didn’t appear he violated the wiretapping law.
“She said, ‘I have no idea why you’re charged with this’,” he said.
In fact, Maryland requires there to be an expectation of privacy in order to make that charge valid, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
State courts interpreted laws to protect communications only when parties have a reasonable expectation of privacy
The incident has left Graber with a serious distrust of police.
“I’m now afraid of the police. Afraid of what they can do to me. I’ve never been arrested in my life before this,” he said.
He is now making arrangements to sell his motorcycle because he doesn’t feel comfortable riding it anymore.
And he is waiting for his preliminary trial to see if prosecutors will decide to pursue this case.
And as for Uhler, well he’s still roaming free to terrorize the citizens. Just as he did in Graber’s video below. And below that is the arrest warrant, which did not come out great but I am working on producing a better quality version with his Graber’s personal info redacted.

Source: http://jwlf.org/2010/04/27/motorcyclist-jailed-for-26-hours-for-videotaping-gun-wielding-cop/
 

doc111

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i have nothing more to say, ..... "Sure, the 24-year-old man admits to speeding on his motorcycle, ....."
Does that warrant a search of his home at 6:45 a.m.? They siezed computers and his camera and prevented his mother from going to work. He is facing 5 years in prison for illegal wiretapping. WTF is that? Charge him with reckless driving or whatever, but this wiretapping thing and search of his home is way over the line IMO.:fire:
 
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