More on Lincoln ...

ViRedd

ViRedd

New Member
medicineman said:
So you believe the 6-7 days fairy tale also, figures. I noticed 7X didn't answer, I guess he didn't want to embarass himself. What if a year in Gods time amounted to 700 million years, that would make the earth around 4.2 billion years old, something similar to scientific theory, that may make sense, but to believe the earth was created in 7 days 6-8 thousand years ago, scuuuuse me, i'm gonna call Santa and complain, right along with the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny, and that alien grey that just left my house.
Click to expand...
A day in a house fly's life IS 700 million years. So what? If you take the Bible literally, you'll just drive yourself crazy, Med. If someone says: "I believe in what the Bible says," it doesn't necessarly mean that they are taking the words literally. The Bible is written in both physical terms ... AND spiritual terms. In order to read it in the latter, one must be looking through spiritual eyes from one's Inner Being.

Here ... this explains it:

Matthew 11:25 At that time, Jesus said, "I praise you Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."


Vi
 
7xstall

7xstall

Well-Known Member
ViRedd said:
A day in a house fly's life IS 700 million years. So what? If you take the Bible literally, you'll just drive yourself crazy, Med. If someone says: "I believe in what the Bible says," it doesn't necessarly mean that they are taking the words literally. The Bible is written in both physical terms ... AND spiritual terms. In order to read it in the latter, one must be looking through spiritual eyes from one's Inner Being.

Here ... this explains it:

Matthew 11:25 At that time, Jesus said, "I praise you Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children."


Vi
Click to expand...


exactly, there are questions that are useful and there are questions that areuseless but to be honest i don't think God would even need 6 days... i don't know what rules of time were applied during creation and i honestly don't know if i could even comprehend them if you told me.. so, why do you need details you probably couldn't even process? sounds like a good way to find yourself tumbling into doubt to me.

i also wasn't trying to be condescending with my reply.







.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

New Member
I'll say it a million times, Frederick Douglas, Frederick Douglas, Frederick Douglas......................... Runaway slave, beautiful orator, began his "career" opposing, hating even, Lincoln. In the end, he loved him. What can I possibly add? You see, I understand the argument you and others make, but that argument is superceded, in my opinion, by the outcome of the endeavor. We can only guess what was in the man's heart, and I think it was pure, his intentions. Lincoln was a private man, and had every tragedy imaginable befall him, and he took a lot from this personal tragedy, as far as compassion, and was a man of conviction. These two attributes gave him the unique opportunity to change history, and he did. Free people the world over owe Lincoln a huge debt of gratitude.
 
ViRedd

ViRedd

New Member
I don't doubt that Lincoln had the best of intentions. Some of his methods were suspect though.

Vi
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

New Member
It was a tumultuous time..............factuality aside...... I'm sure we can both agree this country, and this world, would be a far different place had the Confederacy been "allowed" to secede. For better or worse, I'd rather not venture.:mrgreen:
 
mockingbird131313

mockingbird131313

Well-Known Member
ccodiane said:
I'll say it a million times, Frederick Douglas, Frederick Douglas, Frederick Douglas......................... Runaway slave, beautiful orator, began his "career" opposing, hating even, Lincoln. In the end, he loved him. What can I possibly add? You see, I understand the argument you and others make, but that argument is superceded, in my opinion, by the outcome of the endeavor. We can only guess what was in the man's heart, and I think it was pure, his intentions. Lincoln was a private man, and had every tragedy imaginable befall him, and he took a lot from this personal tragedy, as far as compassion, and was a man of conviction. These two attributes gave him the unique opportunity to change history, and he did. Free people the world over owe Lincoln a huge debt of gratitude.
Click to expand...
The point most people do not understand is that Mr. Lincoln made Negros second class citizens. And that was a world of improvement. It set the course for a new beginning, regardless of his alledged intentions. This class of chattle had become people.
 
Titania

Titania

Well-Known Member
7xstall said:
lol, i don't know exactly how old it is nor do i really care.

i have an even weirder story that i actually believe word for word, med. it's in the new testament and it's all about a man who was born to a virgin. He died on a cross for all our sins and on the third day He rose from the dead and went to His followers who had all lost faith... everyone of them had given up!! upon seeing Him and talking to Him they were deeply inspired, so much so that the year of our calender is based on His perfect life.

i fully believe the story of the man called Jesus and i really don't care what you think about it, med.


You mock carbon dating, yet you believe a virgin gave birth!?
Your blind belief in a book which was written by a man 2000 odd years ago with a good imagination, and lots of spare time on his hands, has as much credibility as the Muslim faith, the Buddhist faith, the ancient Greeks who believed in Zeus, ect. ect. I wonder if in 2000 years some new race will find a Harry Potter book, and take that as the true word of a God.:mrgreen:
Click to expand...
 
Titania

Titania

Well-Known Member
7xstall said:
exactly, there are questions that are useful and there are questions that areuseless but to be honest i don't think God would even need 6 days... i don't know what rules of time were applied during creation and i honestly don't know if i could even comprehend them if you told me.. so, why do you need details you probably couldn't even process? sounds like a good way to find yourself tumbling into doubt to me.

i also wasn't trying to be condescending with my reply.






Are you talking about the same God who said...

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death: their blood will be upon their own heads."

Yeah, I'm sure you Christian folks would like to forget about quotes like that.
Click to expand...
 
medicineman

medicineman

New Member
Titania said:
7xstall said:
exactly, there are questions that are useful and there are questions that areuseless but to be honest i don't think God would even need 6 days... i don't know what rules of time were applied during creation and i honestly don't know if i could even comprehend them if you told me.. so, why do you need details you probably couldn't even process? sounds like a good way to find yourself tumbling into doubt to me.

i also wasn't trying to be condescending with my reply.


Are you talking about the same God who said...

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death: their blood will be upon their own heads."

Yeah, I'm sure you Christian folks would like to forget about quotes like that.
Click to expand...

I'm not so sure, there are a lot of homophobes among evangelicals. I'm not sure they wouldn't view death as punishment as being just.
Click to expand...
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

New Member
.................................


In a letter to his friend Joshua Speed, Lincoln freely expressed his hatred of slavery but he did not recommend immediate emancipation.

August 24, 1855

You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it. So far there is no cause of difference. But you say that sooner than yield your legal right to the slave -- especially at the bidding of those who are not themselves interested, you would see the Union dissolved. I am not aware that any one is bidding you to yield that right; very certainly I am not. I leave that matter entirely to yourself. I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair to you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the constitution and the Union.

I do oppose the extension of slavery, because my judgment and feelings so prompt me; and I am under no obligation to the contrary.
 
mockingbird131313

mockingbird131313

Well-Known Member
ccodiane said:
.................................


In a letter to his friend Joshua Speed, Lincoln freely expressed his hatred of slavery but he did not recommend immediate emancipation.

August 24, 1855

You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it. So far there is no cause of difference. But you say that sooner than yield your legal right to the slave -- especially at the bidding of those who are not themselves interested, you would see the Union dissolved. I am not aware that any one is bidding you to yield that right; very certainly I am not. I leave that matter entirely to yourself. I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continual torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair to you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the constitution and the Union.

I do oppose the extension of slavery, because my judgment and feelings so prompt me; and I am under no obligation to the contrary.
Click to expand...
History revisionists are as common as fleas on a shaggy dog. But, with the preponderance of evidence, how could anyone believe Mr. Lincoln was racist? When I solve this mystery, I will focus on how muslims believe the holocaust never happened. Or how condoms cause AIDS in Africa. Or how Bill Clinton, a traitor to the country that gave him birth, is a great man.

But first, I say, Mr. Lincoln was great, because he, with little assistance, made chattel for sale into a race of men.
 
medicineman

medicineman

New Member
Bill Clinton, a traitor to the country that gave him birth, is a great man.
My, My, such an agregious statement. Who knew. BTW would you consider Bush a traitor for starting a unilateral war with undue provacation, a war he had conjured up long before 911? Outing a covert CIA agent, A treasonous offense punishable by death in a time of war? JMHO.
 
ccodiane

ccodiane

New Member
medicineman said:
Bill Clinton, a traitor to the country that gave him birth, is a great man.
My, My, such an agregious statement. Who knew. BTW would you consider Bush a traitor for starting a unilateral war with undue provacation, a war he had conjured up long before 911? Outing a covert CIA agent, A treasonous offense punishable by death in a time of war? JMO.
Click to expand...
...............
 
mockingbird131313

mockingbird131313

Well-Known Member
medicineman said:
Bill Clinton, a traitor to the country that gave him birth, is a great man.
My, My, such an agregious statement. Who knew. BTW would you consider Bush a traitor for starting a unilateral war with undue provacation, a war he had conjured up long before 911? Outing a covert CIA agent, A treasonous offense punishable by death in a time of war? JMHO.
Click to expand...
Well, these issues are not on line with the thread topic. But hell-yes, it was nicely agregious, wasn't it! 1. "Who knew." Well, many know that Butch was having "campaign tea parties" for Chinese nationals and dishing up documents that were marked TOP SECRET the week before, for payola. 2. Bush a traitor? Some republican insiders, in the administration, are suggesting this may be so. So, I'm OK with you building a four rope gallows for a group hanging. Let me know when you're ready to start. I'll buy a Home Depot gift card for a case of nails. 3. Ah outing Valery huh? No proof this actually happened, so stick to facts in evidence. 4. And finally, what the hell does JMHO represent in medicineman-speak?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top