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Monsanto terminator seeds!!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by LegalizeCannabisHemp, Mar 3, 2009.

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    LegalizeCannabisHemp

    LegalizeCannabisHemp New Member

    Please watch these 2 videos .. the first one is short.. the second one is a much better explanation!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5jU3S9BinI

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6262083407501596844

    Iraq: U.S. puts new law in place mandating terminator seeds & planting saved seeds illegal
    by Grain.org Friday, Nov. 12, 2004 at 6:09 PM

    Iraqi Farmers aren't Celebrating World Food Day. When the Food and Agriculture Organisation (FAO) celebrates biodiversity on World Food Day on October 16, Iraqi farmers will be mourning its loss. A new report [1] by GRAIN and Focus on the Global South has found that new legislation in Iraq has been carefully put in place by the US that prevents farmers from saving their seeds and effectively hands over the seed market to transnational corporations. This is a disastrous turn of events for Iraqi farmers, biodiversity and the country's food security. While political sovereignty remains an illusion, food sovereignty for the Iraqi people has been made near impossible by these new regulations.
    "The US has been imposing patents on life around the world through trade deals. In this case, they invaded the country first, then imposed their patents. This is both immoral and unacceptable", said Shalini Bhutani, one of the report's authors.

    The new law in question [2] heralds the entry into Iraqi law of patents on life forms - this first one affecting plants and seeds. This law fits in neatly into the US vision of Iraqi agriculture in the future - that of an industrial agricultural system dependent on large corporations providing inputs and seeds.

    In 2002, FAO estimated that 97 percent of Iraqi farmers used saved seed from their own stocks from last year's harvest or purchased from local markets. When the new law - on plant variety protection (PVP) - is put into effect, seed saving will be illegal and the market will only offer proprietary "PVP-protected" planting material "invented" by transnational agribusiness corporations. The new law totally ignores all the contributions Iraqi farmers have made to development of important crops like wheat, barley, date and pulses. Its consequences are the loss of farmers' freedoms and a grave threat to food sovereignty in Iraq. In this way, the US has declared a new war against the Iraqi farmer.

    "If the FAO is celebrating 'Biodiversity for Food Security' this year, it needs to demonstrate some real commitment", says Henk Hobbelink of GRAIN, pointing out that the FAO has recently been cosying up with industry and offering support for genetic engineering [3]. "Most importantly, the FAO must recognise that biodiversity-rich farming and industry-led agriculture are worlds apart, and that industrial agriculture is one of the leading causes of the catastrophic decline in agricultural biodiversity that we have witnessed in recent decades. The FAO cannot hope to embrace biodiversity while holding industry's hand", he added.

    FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT:

    From GRAIN Shalini Bhutani in India [Tel: +91 11 243 15 168 (work) or +91 98 104 33 076 (cell)] or Alexis Vaughan in United Kingdom [Tel: +44 79 74 39 34 87 (mobile)]

    From Focus on the Global South Herbert Docena in Philippines [Tel:+63 2 972 382 3804]

    NOTES

    [1] Visit http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=6. GRAIN and Focus' report is entitled "Iraq's new patent law: a declaration of war against farmers". Against the grain is a series of short opinion pieces on recent trends and developments in the issues that GRAIN works on. This one has been produced collaboratively with Focus on the Global South.

    [2] Patent, Industrial Design, Undisclosed Information, Integrated Circuits and Plant Variety Law of 2004, CPA Order No. 81, 26 April 2004, http://www.iraqcoalition.org/regulations/20040426_CPAORD_81_Patents_Law.pdf

    [3] GRAIN, "FAO declares war on farmers, not hunger", New from Grain, 16 June 2004, http://www.grain.org/front/?id=24
    source: http://www.grain.org/nfg/?id=253 16oct04


    Lewis Paul Bremer III (born September 30, 1941), known as Paul Bremer and also nicknamed Jerry Bremer, is an American diplomat. He was Director of Reconstruction and Humanitarian Assistance for post-war Iraq following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, replacing Jay Garner on May 6, 2003.
    More famously known for his stint in post-invasion Iraq, Paul Bremer was appointed by President George W. Bush to oversee as administrator, the reconstruction of Iraq. In his role as head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, he reported primarily to the U.S. Secretary of Defense and exercised authority over Iraq's civil administration. He served in this capacity from May 11, 2003 until limited Iraqi sovereignty was restored on June 28, 2004. Bremer was assigned much of the blame for the insurgency in Iraq that resulted from his reportedly unilateral decision to formally dissolve the Iraqi Army in May 2003.[1]







    Economic policies
    The Coalition Provisional Authority under Bremer issued 100 Orders, which they define as "binding instructions or directives to the Iraqi people that create penal consequences or have a direct bearing on the way Iraqis are regulated, including changes to Iraqi law".[36] The economic policies are largely based on free market ideas, emphasizing protection for foreign investors and contractors, while replacing the tax system with a flat tax.[citation needed]
    Order #39 allows for the following:
    privatization of Iraq's 200 state-owned enterprises;
    allow up to 100% foreign ownership of Iraqi businesses;
    national treatment of foreign firms;
    unrestricted, tax-free remittance of all profits and other funds; and
    40-year ownership licenses.
    Order #40 turns the banking sector from a state-run to a market-driven system overnight by allowing foreign banks to enter the Iraqi market and to purchase up to 50% of Iraqi banks.
    Order #49 drops the tax rate on corporations from a high of 40% to a flat rate of 15%. The income tax rate is also capped at 15%.
    Order #12 enacted on June 7, 2003 and renewed on February 24, 2004, suspended all tariffs, customs duties, import taxes, licensing fees and similar surcharges for goods entering or leaving Iraq, and all other trade restrictions that may apply to such goods.
    Order #17 grants foreign contractors, including private security firms, full immunity from Iraq's laws.
    Order #81 opens the way for patenting (ownership) of plant forms, and facilitates the introduction of genetically modified crops or organisms (GMOs) to Iraq. U.S. agricultural biotechnology corporations, such as Monsanto and Syngenta will be the beneficiaries. Iraqi farmers will be forced to buy their seeds from these corporations. GMOs will replace the old tradition of breeding closely related plants, and replace them with organisms composed of DNA from an altogether different species, e.g., bacterium genes into corn. In the long run, there won’t be a big enough gene pool for genetic viability.
    Some claim these orders violate the Hague regulations of 1907 (the companion to the 1949 Geneva conventions, both ratified by the United States) and the U.S. Army’s Law of Land Warfare by fundamentally altering Iraq’s existing laws


    Nancy Scola | Why Iraqi Farmers Might Prefer Death to Paul Bremer's Order 81


    Wednesday 19 September 2007

    Anyone hearing about central India's ongoing epidemic of farmer suicides, where growers are killing themselves at a terrifying clip, has to be horrified. But among the more disturbed must be the once-grand poobah of post-invasion Iraq, U.S. diplomat L. Paul Bremer.

    Why Bremer? Because Indian farmers are choosing death after finding themselves caught in a loop of crop failure and debt rooted in genetically modified and patented agriculture - the same farming model that Bremer introduced to Iraq during his tenure as administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority, the American body that ruled the "new Iraq" in its chaotic early days.

    In his 400 days of service as CPA administrator, Bremer issued a series of directives known collectively as the "100 Orders." Bremer's orders set up the building blocks of the new Iraq, and among them is Order 81 [PDF], officially titled Amendments to Patent, Industrial Design, Undisclosed Information, Integrated Circuits and Plant Variety Law, enacted by Bremer on April 26, 2004.

    Order 81 generated very little press attention when it was issued. And what coverage it did spark tended to get the details wrong. Reports claimed that what the United States' man in Iraq had done was no less than tell each and every Iraqi farmer - growers who had been tilling the soil of Mesopotamia for thousands of years - that from here on out they could not reuse seeds from their fields or trade seeds with their neighbors, but instead they would be required to purchase all of their seeds from the likes of U.S. agriculture conglomerates like Monsanto.

    That's not quite right. Order 81 wasn't that draconian, and it was not so clearly a colonial mandate. In fact, the edict was more or less a legal tweak.

    What Order 81 did was to establish the strong intellectual property protections on seed and plant products that a company like the St. Louis-based Monsanto - purveyors of genetically modified (GM) seeds and other patented agricultural goods - requires before they'll set up shop in a new market like the new Iraq. With these new protections, Iraq was open for business. In short, Order 81 was Bremer's way of telling Monsanto that the same conditions had been created in Iraq that had led to the company's stunning successes in India.

    In issuing Order 81, Bremer didn't order Iraqi farmers to march over to the closest Monsanto-supplied shop and stock up. But if Monsanto's experience in India is any guide, he didn't need to.

    Here's the way it works in India. In the central region of Vidarbha, for example, Monsanto salesmen travel from village to village touting the tremendous, game-changing benefits of Bt cotton, Monsanto's genetically modified seed sold in India under the Bollgard® label. The salesmen tell farmers of the amazing yields other Vidarbha growers have enjoyed while using their products, plastering villages with posters detailing "True Stories of Farmers Who Have Sown Bt Cotton." Old-fashioned cotton seeds pale in comparison to Monsanto's patented wonder seeds, say the salesmen, as much as an average old steer is humbled by a fine Jersey cow.

    Part of the trick to Bt cotton's remarkable promise, say the salesmen, is that Bollgard® was genetically engineered in the lab to contain bacillus thuringiensis, a bacterium that the company claims drastically reduces the need for pesticides. When pesticides are needed, Bt cotton plants are Roundup® Ready - a Monsanto designation meaning that the plants can be drowned in the company's signature herbicide, none the worse for wear. (Roundup® mercilessly kills nonengineered plants.)

    Sounds great, right? The catch is that Bollgard® and Roundup® cost real money. And so Vidarbha's farmers, somewhat desperate to grow the anemic profit margin that comes with raising cotton in that dry and dusty region, have rushed to both banks and local moneylenders to secure the cash needed to get on board with Monsanto. Of a $3,000 bank loan a Vidarbha farmer might take out, as much as half might go to purchasing a growing season's worth of Bt seeds.

    And the same goes the next season, and the next season after that. In traditional agricultural, farmers can recycle seeds from one harvest to plant the next, or swap seeds with their neighbors at little or no cost. But when it comes to engineered seeds like Bt cotton, Monsanto owns the tiny speck of intellectual property inside each hull, and thus controls the patent. And a farmer wishing to reuse seeds from a Monsanto plant must pay to relicense them from the company each and every growing season.

    But farmers who chose to bet the farm, literally, on Bt cotton or other GM seeds aren't necessarily crazy or deluded. Genetically modified agricultural does hold the tremendous promise of leading to increased yields - incredibly important for farmers feeding their families and communities from limited land and labor.

    But when it comes to GM seeds, all's well when all is well. Farming is a gamble, and the flip side of the great potential reward that genetically modified seeds offer is, of course, great risk. When all goes badly, farmers who have sunk money into Monsanto-driven farming find themselves at the bottom of a far deeper hole than farmers who stuck with traditional growing. Farmers who suffer a failed harvest may find it nearly impossible to secure a new loan from either a bank or local moneylender. With no money to dig him or herself out, that hole only gets deeper.

    And that hole is exactly where farmers have found themselves in India's Vidarbha region, where crop failure - especially the failure of Bt cotton crops - has reached the level of pandemic.

    In may be that Bt cotton isn't well-suited to central India's rain-driven farming methods; Bollgard® and parched Vidarbha may be as ill-suited as Bremer's combat boots and Brooks Brothers suits. It may be the unpredictable and unusually dry monsoon seasons that have plagued India of late. But in any case, the result is that more and more of India's farmers are finding themselves in debt, and with little hope for finding their way out.

    And the final way out that so many of them - thousands upon thousands - have chosen is death, and by their own hands. Firm statistics are difficult to come by, but even numbers on the low end of the scale are downright horrifying. The Indian government and NGOs have estimated that, so far this year, at last count more than a thousand farmers have killed themselves in the state of Maharashtra alone. The New York Times pinned it as 17,000 Indian farmers in 2003 alone. A PBS special that aired last month, called "The Dying Fields," claimed that one farmer commits suicide in Vidarbha every eight hours.

    But let's not be so pessimistic for a moment, and say that Iraqi farmers see the risks of investing in unproven GM seeds. Let's say they reject the idea that the intellectual property buried inside the seeds they plant is "owned" not by nature, but by Monsanto. Let's say they decide to keep on keeping on with nonengineered, nonpatented agriculture.

    The fact is, they may not have a choice.

    Here is where Order 81 starts to look a lot like the forced and mandatory GM-driven agricultural system that cynics tagged it as when it was first announced. Read the letter of the law, and the impact of Order 81 seems limited to using public policy to construct an architecture that's simply favorable to a company like Monsanto. The directive promotes a corporate agribusiness model a lot like the one we have in the United States today, but it doesn't really and truly put Monsanto in the driver's seat of that system.

    Actually handing the keys to Monsanto is instead biology's job.

    Biology - how so? That's a good question for Percy Schmeiser, the Saskatchewan farmer featured in the film The Future of Food, who found himself tangled with Monsanto in a heated lawsuit over the presence of Roundup® Ready canola plants on the margins of his fields.

    The Canadian farmer argued that he had purchased no Monsanto canola seeds, had never planted Monsanto seeds, and was frankly horrified to find that the genetically modified crops had taken hold in his acreage. Perhaps, suggested Schmeiser, the plants in question were the product of a few rogue GM seeds blown from a truck passing by his land?

    Monsanto was uninterested in Schmeiser's theory on how the Roundup® Ready plants got there. As far as the company was concerned, Schmeiser was in possession of an agricultural product whose intellectual property belonged to Monsanto. And it didn't matter much how that came to pass.

    Monsanto's interpretation of the impact of seed contamination is, of course, a good one if its goal is to eventually own the rights to the world's seed supply. And that goal may well be in sight. In fact, a 2004 study by the Union of Concerned Scientists found that much of the U.S. seed pool is already contaminated by GM seeds. If that contamination continues unabated, eventually much of the world's seeds could labor under patents controlled by one agribusiness or another.

    In one agricultural realm like Iraq's, GM contamination could in short order give a company like Monsanto a stranglehold over the market. Post-Order 81 Iraqi farmers who want to resist genetically modified seeds and stick to traditional farming methods may not have that choice. Future generations of Iraqi growers may find that one seed shop in Karbala is selling the same patented seeds as every other shop in town.

    And when that happens, what had been a traditional farming community - where financial risk is divided and genetic diversity multiplied through the simple interactions between neighboring farmers - finds itself nothing more than the home to lone farmers caught up in the high-stakes world of international agribusiness.

    It's a world not unfamiliar to former CPA honcho Bremer, if the company he keeps is any indication. Robert Cohen, author of the book Milk A-Z, talks about the Bush administration as the "Monsanto Cabinet."

    Among the many connections between that company and the current White House: Former Agriculture Secretary Ann Veneman served on the board of directors of Calgene, a Monsanto subsidiary; one-time Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld had an eight-year stint as president of Searle, another Monsanto subsidiary; Clarence Thomas worked as an attorney in Monsanto's pesticide and agriculture division before coming to the Supreme Court as a George H.W. Bush appointee.

    Those connections, as much as anything else, might help to explain the impetus behind and timing of Order 81. Let's suppose for a minute that GM-driven globalized agriculture is, indeed, in the long-term best interests of the new Iraq. Even in the best of circumstances, such a significant policy shift in so core an economic sector can be expected to cause short-term pain. When Bremer issued the directive, Iraq was hardly in a good place: It had recently been invaded, its government dismantled. Considering the desperate need for immediate stability in Iraq in April 2004, Order 81 begins to look like the triumph of connections and ideology over clear-headed policymaking.

    In India, seed activists like Vandana Shiva are working to weaken the connection between that world of U.S. agribusiness and the farmers in villages and towns across India. Shiva, featured in the PBS special The Dying Fields, implores local farmers to stop forking over their money to commercial seed producers and return to the days of homegrown seeds. While Monsanto sells seeds that become India's corn, rice, potatoes, and tomatoes, it's cotton where Monsanto is king, as Shiva well knows. "You have become addicted to Bt cotton," she chides farmers. Though if the perpetuation of the GMO-seed/crop-failure cycle is any indication, few Indian farmers are listening.

    Will Iraqi farmers making their way in the new post-Order 81 agricultural world fare any better? Maybe. Can they manage to reap the benefits of genetically modified farming, trading their newfound dependence on Monsanto and other corporate behemoths for the increased yield their patented and IP-protected seeds promise? Hopefully.

    But it's possible that Iraq's farmers will indeed find themselves in the same predicament that India's farmers have ended up in - a world where growers no longer rely upon their fields and their communities to meet their needs but in a world in which, when hard times strike, the only way out seems like the final exit. A world in which, in a twist perhaps worthy of Shakespeare, the farmer borrows one last time from whatever bank or moneylender will hand over a few last rupees, buys one last bottle of Roundup®, and - as has happened so many times in India - ends it all by drinking it down.

    Monsanto to the end.
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    medicineman

    medicineman New Member

    Yeah, Thats the scoop. Those agent orange assholes are poisening the foodcrops from within now. I remember seeing the India thing on LINK TV, yeah some of those farmers were drinking the poisen rather than face their families with crop failures. How do we stop them might be the question?
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    suedonimn

    suedonimn Well-Known Member

    RESISTANCE IS FERTILE!!! Start your own seed banks. Start networking with friends to create a sustainable food supply. Create garden clubs, trade seeds, sell your seeds and plants at farmers markets. Do it now before Monsanto gets there patents, which may happen under Obama.
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    TheBrutalTruth

    TheBrutalTruth Well-Known Member

    Stop the farmers or Stop Monsanto?

    Stopping the Farmers is of course immoral,

    but stopping Monsanto, that's a thornier question.

    The problem is that the farmers chose to use Monsanto's seeds, and unless Monsanto did not fully disclose what they were getting into they should have known exactly what it was.

    Of course, failing to assume that farmers would understand that every growing season brings risks, drought, flood, blight, insults their intelligence.

    Though I have yet to understand how a patent could be given on a plant. Though it would be interesting to determine which administration's USPTO (United States Patent and Trademark Office) decided that Plants could be patented.
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    suedonimn

    suedonimn Well-Known Member

    Monsanto has tried at least one time to patent seeds and plants, as they have engineered these seeds and plants to do things the plants would normally NOT do. Like resist certain pests, disease... oh and NOT be able to reproduce on their own. Why would this be done PRODUCT CONTROL and PROFIT. Monsanto is preparing to go to court again to try to get patents for their product. Many state and local governments already have precedent set in courts for making it illegal to grow a plant without a license, got a cannabis growing license?
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    TheBrutalTruth

    TheBrutalTruth Well-Known Member

    Point........
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    LegalizeCannabisHemp

    LegalizeCannabisHemp New Member


    true that! good point...but damn once im growing food to my electric bill is really going to go up..
    haha
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    LegalizeCannabisHemp

    LegalizeCannabisHemp New Member

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    LegalizeCannabisHemp

    LegalizeCannabisHemp New Member

    hell yah! I seed bank is a good idea.. have you ever grown food under CFLS?
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    suedonimn

    suedonimn Well-Known Member

    Yes, I grow basil, tomato, just started an avacado tree, ready to start my pear trees, and apple trees. I am preparing to grow carrots, sweet potato, and onion in containers outside. Peppers are easy(any kind), also I plan on trellising zuccinni and cucumbers, you would be amazed the amount of food you get when you trellis your vine type foods like squash and melon. I pick my biggest, best looking produce and use them for new seed. It is satisfying I live in a small apartment, so I use containers. Oh I also will trellis my tomato plants up the apartment stair rail, I start them indoors and right now my tomato plant is 4 foot, with voluteers coming off the roots, it will be tomato heaven this year. It is a great way to have fresh produce, and spend less money at the grocery store.
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    LegalizeCannabisHemp

    LegalizeCannabisHemp New Member

    How do you grow you food? what medium?
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    suedonimn

    suedonimn Well-Known Member

    I like dirt. It is simple, but anyway you have set up will work fine. I usually just start them indoors, so the plants are bigger and ready to produce fruit/veggies quicker than usual. Basil will grow like grass(lawn type), you grow it use it as it grows, if you let flower it will die. Basil is cool like marijuana it is very fragrant, there are different types within the species, and when it flowers you get like 10 million seeds, I let one flower every season to replenish seeds and plants to sell. Fresh basil like marijuana, sells itself. I sell seeds $1 a pack of ten, seedlings 3 for $5, $5 plants and $7 plants ready to use.
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    robert 14617

    robert 14617 Well-Known Member

    thread worth a bump
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    Wordz

    Wordz Well-Known Member

    We have 200 tomatoes in seedling stage 50 peppers and 100 strawberry plants plus hundreds of flowers. I love garden season. We only use heirloom seeds in the gardens. We like to mix a bale of peat moss a bale of perlite and a bale of vermiculite. All for less than a bale of promix but you get 3 times more.
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    robert 14617

    robert 14617 Well-Known Member

    fresh tomato and strawberries i want to move in with you
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    MediMary

    MediMary Well-Known Member

    great thread legalize
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    cdrippper2

    cdrippper2 Active Member

    Monsanto is basically a monopoly...why not hit them with anti-trust/monopoly suits and force them to break up...
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    abe23

    abe23 Active Member

    They're not a monopoly. The reason farmers buy their seeds despite having other options is that they can get more yield and thus more money even if they have to buy seed each year. Round up ready is a huge deal for soy farmers.

    And it's not just monsanto that's the problem. It's the whole agribusiness, feedlots, corn monoculture and all the rest. Growing your own food is the way to go, but unless you really have a few acres of tillable land and can raise animals it's really hard to feed yourself for more than a couple of months.
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    cdrippper2

    cdrippper2 Active Member

    True, but what should have EVERYONE worried is that Monsanto will not allow any research on it GM crops, especially corn. They "own" most of the agri. centers at the few colleges that do have them, and will NOT allow testing of their crops. The little testing that did get done showed that their crops cause the liver and pancreas to swell abnormally, and are suspected to lower fertility among other things. I'd personally stick to heirloom non GM food if possible
    Also, in a funny related note, the weeds that round-up is used to kill are now becoming so resistant to the round-up that they can't be killed. How ironic.
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    dankesthours182

    dankesthours182 Active Member

    MONSANTO owns 14,000 patents and rising daily. Sorry to burst you bubble, but organisms are openly patented now, and MONSANTO leads the industry. Fuck us, right? we've gotta fight this shit, i mean, come on, after eating genetically modified soybeans just one time it is possible for a GENETIC DNA transfer from that soybean product to your stomach lining, effectively BECOMING A PART OF WHO YOU ARE, THERFORE ENVELOPING YOU INTO A PATENT SYSTEM WHERE PART OF YOUR GENETIC MAKEUP IS OWNED BY THE HIGHEST BIDDER.

    Wake the fuck up, people.

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