MMPR Licensed Producer Thread

[particle]

Firstly it's not coming out on the offensive when you're collectively getting the short end of it. It's actually the defensive.

What you support is irrelevant to the argument, it's not what's happening. What's happening is the corporation of it, rather, stealing it for themselves. They will do all of that and their very best to maintain the structures of prohibition against it, playing them against one another and seeing what loose changes falls out of their pockets while they rattle liberty and oppression against one another in the perfect meat grinder.

That's what you get with tools like Trudeau employing "saving the children from it" as their motivator for "Freeing it" into the hands of corporate powers.

You're a little premature in creaming your socks when it comes to where you think this is going. It's just not that rosy.

 

[oddish]

What you support is irrelevant

This renders your entire argument null and void to me.
What someone supports is always relevant.

 

[particle]

This renders your entire argument null and void to me.
What someone supports is always relevant.

Yeah, and cotton candy and teddy bears too!

Irrational nonsense..platitudes...non sequitur. A thing isn't relevant simply because some simpleton supports it. There has to be sound reasons behind it. You've failed to demonstrate that in your arguments, and now you're running from it.

 

[oddish]

I won't pretend that the world is a rosy place and everything is going as planned.
I also won't come out and be a total dick to everyone and tell them they're wrong, stupid and supporting the wrong thing.

If I want to support an LP, I can. I don't venture into the "illegal" side of things, so that's my only option.
Do I want other options? Yes.

I'm not saying you're wrong, you're just a dick about it.

 

[particle]

I'm not really interested in fallacious ad hominems that don't contribute to the subject matter in any way. If you want to win popular opinion that bad, enjoy your low hanging fruit. Maybe next you can correct my spelling.


Honestly:

If I want to support an LP, I can. I don't venture into the "illegal" side of things, so that's my only option.

Where does that come from and what's it got to do with anything?

Most people here have at least gotten their feet wet with "not inhaling". It's uncertain whether your argument stems from the POV of a medical user, or an investor, but it seems the later, which would explain a lot.

Regardless, saying you want to "support LPs", or be evasive by saying "an LP", misses the point something fierce. It's like saying "I don't support the war, but I support the troops". Someone just has to tell those people that they're idiots, or it's just a race to the bottom, and that's the way things actually are, which I'm not interested in.

Or hey, maybe you can tell us that "an LP"... perhaps "the chosen one"?... could "work from within".... to "improve things for everyone". We've heard that bullshit already.

I'm not saying you're wrong, you're just a dick about it

Spare me the lame, thought terminating cliche. You're both wrong and a dick about it.

 

[oddish]

Where does that come from and what's it got to do with anything?

It has to do with the fact that I want access to product and there's only one way to get that legally for me, at the moment, and so I am supporting that avenue.

Most people here have at least gotten their feet wet with "not inhaling". It's uncertain whether your argument stems from the POV of a medical user, or an investor, but it seems the later, which would explain a lot.
Regardless, saying you want to "support LPs", or be evasive by saying "an LP", misses the point something fierce.

I support LPs in general, but I would prefer to see small, CC-sized LPs.
I support a few wannabes as they attempt to become LPs, but I am not vested into any of them.
I have no connection with any current LPs, only wannabes. I do not work for any of these wannabes, but maybe one day I will.
I'm not an investor - the only thing I invest money into is my car.

Or hey, maybe you can tell us that "an LP"... perhaps "the chosen one"?... could "work from within".... to "improve things for everyone". We've heard that bullshit already.

I'm a firm believer in this. Only because I know the players in the game and some of these are people who have taken the time to earn people's respect and genuinely deserve it - now they want to take that business model and patient care model to an LP legal status.

I may just be all "head in the clouds" and "positive thinking", but eventually it will happen.
I've seen what they did with legislation in the states, and it's very possible to do here. Just need the companies interested in the market.

 

[ttystikk]

It is clear that Health Canada is a rogue, fascistic wing of an already too conservative govt that seems not to care about the suffering of its citizens.

Perhaps a citizen initiative to bring the offending department to heel would send a clear message to them that their duty is to help patients, not set drug policy- or, bin the whole bureaucracy and start over with fresh faces.

Threatened with extinction, most monsters learn to behave.

 

[oddish]

I think you would have more luck with corporate money. As sad as that is, it tends to work.
If they do it the way they do it in the states, we might stand a chance.

 

[CalyxCrusher]

I don't know why you feel the need to defend what you've "noted many times", but it's a changing of the goal posts I think.

"People growing for themselves", isn't part of any "system" presently, and so it isn't "co-existing" with LPs. It's also not LPs willing to co-exist with anyone at all. In fact they fought not to have to, and will continue to. Much like the LP coalition, is only concerned with lobbying government to have their profits subsidized by tax payers, otherwise their market will never fully develope. That's because they have priced themselves out of a majority of it in their cut throat hijacking, and trying to start up at warp speed from zero, all at the direct expense of the ability for people to grow for themselves. That can not be ignored as the corner stone of these discussions and you can't pretend that it's anything it isn't.

People growing for themselves also isn't the same argument as having LPs co-exist with CCs, which is foolish, and a red herring from what needs to be argued. The commercial aspect of industry can look like whatever it wants to look like. It will always be fully and maximally exploitative. People need to be able to fucking grow for themselves effectively without facing mandatory minimums or swat raids, and without having to be institutionalized for it in any way, and I'll go over that as many times as it fucking takes.

 

[Jean-Guy dePepsi]

1. I'm pretty sure I met the guy who told HC about this document. He contacted them asking for testing criteria and they didn't have any, so he submitted a proposal using this document as his basis for testing. 2 weeks later another applicant got a letter requesting changes to their testing documentation. Could definitely be a coincidence, but there was a time when they didn't have an authoritative document to work with and were basing it off theory more than anything.

2. What security clearance are you going for? Did you receive the letter about a minimum of Level 7?

We are located within 50KM of Ottawa and are set-up for security clearance 8 so we didn't get that letter.

 

[MarijeJane]

Is anyone planning on going to the " Mariuana for Medical Purposes"conference in September in Toronto? http://www.ipacanada.com/Marihuana_Medical_Purposes_2014/index.php

Does anyone know anything about this?

 

[gb123]

I'll go.
Wanna join me?

 

[MarijeJane]

http://www.echo.net.au/2014/08/norfolk-island-grow-medical-marijuana/

Now those Tasmanian devils are getting into the cannabis business

 

[bigmanc]

Is anyone planning on going to the " Mariuana for Medical Purposes"conference in September in Toronto? http://www.ipacanada.com/Marihuana_Medical_Purposes_2014/index.php

Does anyone know anything about this?

Id say save your 675$ lol, unfortunately for you marijejane its becoming like the alaska gold rush...the only ones to make some money are the ones selling picks and shovels.

Whats your mind state rite now with the LP program? more so the way its being handled...

 

[MarijeJane]

Id say save your 675$ lol, unfortunately for you marijejane its becoming like the alaska gold rush...the only ones to make some money are the ones selling picks and shovels.

Whats your mind state rite now with the LP program? more so the way its being handled...

Great question! I think that the currently licensed producers can supply the "recorded" patients with their prescribed dosage. Health Canada doesn't want to have a greater supply than demand, therefore potentially leading to "diversion". I think this is why they are not licensing any new LPs at this time.

What Health Canada doesn't seem to realize is that there are many thousands of people that have a "medical document" from a doctor but won't sign up with one of the few current LP's because:
A) The current LP are not taking new clients.
B) The LP's mainly have irradiated cannabis, if they have anything
C) Many customers have ordered their supply from an LP only to get a small portion of it, because the LP is sold out.
D) People have seen the poor quality of the buds being shipped out
E) People don't trust the LPs.
F) If someone gives an LP their medical document, it is difficult to switch to another LP.

I could make this a much longer list but there are many reasons why people are not signing up with the current LPs. Unfortunately, this only demonstrates to Health Canada and the Federal Government that there is no need to have more Lps because the current ones can supply the registered clients. It is a very bad catch 22 situation. I think that until the court case in February, not much will happen.

I am very fortunate to have very little overhead costs. I can wait for years without it hurting me financially. Many other hopeful LPs are not in the same situation. Many are bleeding money or their leases are gone, or the can't hold onto investors indefinitely. I think the wait will cause some of the hopeful LPs to drop off the list.

 

[bigmanc]

Great question! I think that the currently licensed producers can supply the "recorded" patients with their prescribed dosage. Health Canada doesn't want to have a greater supply than demand, therefore potentially leading to "diversion". I think this is why they are not licensing any new LPs at this time.

What Health Canada doesn't seem to realize is that there are many thousands of people that have a "medical document" from a doctor but won't sign up with one of the few current LP's because:
A) The current LP are not taking new clients.
B) The LP's mainly have irradiated cannabis, if they have anything
C) Many customers have ordered their supply from an LP only to get a small portion of it, because the LP is sold out.
D) People have seen the poor quality of the buds being shipped out
E) People don't trust the LPs.
F) If someone gives an LP their medical document, it is difficult to switch to another LP.

I could make this a much longer list but there are many reasons why people are not signing up with the current LPs. Unfortunately, this only demonstrates to Health Canada and the Federal Government that there is no need to have more Lps because the current ones can supply the registered clients. It is a very bad catch 22 situation. I think that until the court case in February, not much will happen.

I am very fortunate to have very little overhead costs. I can wait for years without it hurting me financially. Many other hopeful LPs are not in the same situation. Many are bleeding money or their leases are gone, or the can't hold onto investors indefinitely. I think the wait will cause some of the hopeful LPs to drop off the list.

Im sure your right about the A-F reasons, my opinion is somewhat the same with the medical document but there not signing up due to costs. I mean, lets be honest, 80%+ come from the recreational side and if they didnt someone from the recreational side atleast introduced them to marijuana... i cant say ive met someone who said "hey i woke up today and decided to buy some weed, on my own free will without any knowledge" . At that point you can mention it to your doctor and get a note for an LP but at that point they have already purchased and tried different methods of consuming marijuana. Most likly stick to there buddy who sells an ounce for 200bucks +/- it has no hassle, no wait times and has really turned into a friendly business from what ive seen.

Your spot on with the over head cost. Some company just bought a $14,000,000.00 building within my region...what are they thinkinggg. Yes, its for a LP applicant

Do you feel your 5,000sqft is big enough in HC eyes? I mean you can set up a 1000w for every 16sqft so you could easily set up about 150-200 lights for flowering yielding 150+lbs witch sounds like alot, i think i saw 1 company say they have 2.5lbs a day but sell out in the early AM.

Either way, best of luck to ya. Worst case...become a DG with a couple hundred christmas trees

btw, great to have an adult conversation on here. Almost forgot what it felt like

 

[MarijeJane]

Im sure your right about the A-F reasons, my opinion is somewhat the same with the medical document but there not signing up due to costs. I mean, lets be honest, 80%+ come from the recreational side and if they didnt someone from the recreational side atleast introduced them to marijuana... i cant say ive met someone who said "hey i woke up today and decided to buy some weed, on my own free will without any knowledge" . At that point you can mention it to your doctor and get a note for an LP but at that point they have already purchased and tried different methods of consuming marijuana. Most likly stick to there buddy who sells an ounce for 200bucks +/- it has no hassle, no wait times and has really turned into a friendly business from what ive seen.

Your spot on with the over head cost. Some company just bought a $14,000,000.00 building within my region...what are they thinkinggg. Yes, its for a LP applicant

Do you feel your 5,000sqft is big enough in HC eyes? I mean you can set up a 1000w for every 16sqft so you could easily set up about 150-200 lights for flowering yielding 150+lbs witch sounds like alot, i think i saw 1 company say they have 2.5lbs a day but sell out in the early AM.

Either way, best of luck to ya. Worst case...become a DG with a couple hundred christmas trees

btw, great to have an adult conversation on here. Almost forgot what it felt like

I completely agree with you on most will continue buying recreational meds from the BM. Hopefully some don't. I know I wouldn't, I won't risk my home, my lifestyle, travelling, or the risk of having a criminal record. I think there are a lot of people like me that may have tried marijuana in their youth, then gave it up to be a legal citizen. In Colorado, many of those "citizens" are now buying marijuana and enjoying legal weed. I hope that happens here soon!

I have talked to and met many that have put millions in, some without even getting a "ready to build" letter
I think there may be many broke "pot-preneurs" before long. Keeping low overhead and waiting out Health Canada seems to be the wisest move.

We have 8000 sq ft, about 5000 is just for flowering. The rest is for office, security, clones, mothers, fert tanks, etc. I hope it is enough for HC, they approved the plan and gave us a "ready to build" last fall.
Once we are fully running, we will have about 2 kg per day, enough to make a small profit for us.

Thank you for the adult conversation as well. Much needed here and I enjoy it!

 

[bigmanc]

oh sorry i thought when you mentioned 5000sqft it was the entire building. That just for flower sounds like plenty.

2000g a day say $15-20k capable a day...small profits? Whats going to be the biggest overhead for a LP?

 

[itsmehigh]

Hydro will be one of the biggest on going cost, nutrients could be another.

Hey Marijejane, I heard through the grapevine that HC is requiring new LP's to grow 1 crop and have it tested before granting a full production licence, they will grant an interim licence to grow the first crop, but not the full production licence until you can prove you have all SOP's and GMP's in place and can actually grow a quality, tested product. Could be just a rumour, I dunno, care to comment?

Itsme.

 

[MarijeJane]

Hydro will be one of the biggest on going cost, nutrients could be another.

Hey Marijejane, I heard through the grapevine that HC is requiring new LP's to grow 1 crop and have it tested before granting a full production licence, they will grant an interim licence to grow the first crop, but not the full production licence until you can prove you have all SOP's and GMP's in place and can actually grow a quality, tested product. Could be just a rumour, I dunno, care to comment?

Itsme.

I have heard about the same, but not from any official source. From what I have heard, once you have your "security and storage" inspection, you can grow, then you have to wait for your "distribution" inspection prior to selling. I just want to get the first inspection, been waiting months for it.



@bigmanc 2000g a day say $15-20k capable a day...small profits? Whats going to be the biggest overhead for a LP?

We will produce about 10 kg per week. The cost of start-up, building, etc., need to amortized. The hydro is the biggest expense, then staffing, then regulatory compliance (testing, lab fees, QA staffing and equipment, office staff to file everything that HC wants, extreme security requirements), then customer support (call centre, shipping, etc.) The cost to produce under the MMPR is many times higher than under the MMAR was.

I am confident that because of our low overhead and small size, we can sell at a very reasonable price. We don't have the big management team, CEO's, high rents, or debt repayment that many of the larger players have. I am first, a patient, and secondly, a nurse that strongly believes in the medical properties of marijuana. I want to be able to sell at a price that people can afford. I am not sure what that is, but I am not expecting to get rich. I want to make enough profit so we can live a happy life. i think that is a good goal for me.