MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

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Kron3007

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R.Raider said:
I've contacted them as well but unfortunately those programs are only available to there own staff. They certainly do make it look public though, weird.
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It looks like their QA program was meant for the MMAR growers. Since the QA was not needed in that program it seems like it may have been a bit of a cash grab. Overall their website looks like a lot of smoke and mirrors to me. It is quite well done, but if you start digging it quickly loses substance.
 
R.Raider

R.Raider

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Kron3007 said:
It looks like their QA program was meant for the MMAR growers. Since the QA was not needed in that program it seems like it may have been a bit of a cash grab. Overall their website looks like a lot of smoke and mirrors to me. It is quite well done, but if you start digging it quickly loses substance.
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I talked to someone on the phone(since they don't reply back to emails) and he told me the programs are for their own staff members only but yeah I agree, something smells fishy there.
 
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analyst84

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Hi Guys,

Just wanted to introduce myself. I am looking to become an LP. I have done quite a bit of leg work on the whole process but being part of a community is definitely the way to go. As stated earlier in this thread finding municipalities who are approving grow ops is at hand one of the biggest hurdles to overcome. I have confirmed the following cities are on board in Ontario: Brampton, Paisley, Windsor, Peterborough. Ottawa and Caledon are currently in the process of review. If anyone can confirm other municipalities which have given the green light it would be much appreciated. Also if anyone is looking to partner up we would be able to scale up right from the beginning. At present have access to capital but have not secured a location. You can email me at [email protected]

Cheers!
-Konrad
 
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Dr.Plant

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Exactly... I priced out with used gear the lowest end is about $120k. If buying new equipment, around $180k. This is for an HPLC for the cannabinoid quant and to measure the aflatoxins. I am however leaning towards your idea of using the ELISA kits because I too don't particularly relish the idea of creating aflatoxin standard curves!

Kron3007 said:
You are only calculating the price of the GC. The GC would be fine for the THC/CBD, but you also need to test for heavy metals, aflatoxins, and do all of the microbial counts. Each of these tests requires a different set of tools, and none of them are cheap. On top of that, even to do the GC analysis, you first need to extract the compounds, weigh out your standards, etc. So just for that you would need an analytical balance, a fume hood, various pieces of glass ware, etc. Then, you also need to have someone who knows how to operate the instruments, interpret the results, and be able to trouble shoot. This all adds up, and by the time you are done you are looking at 100-200k at the low end to set up.
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analyst84

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Guidance: Testing of dried marihuana can only be performed by the holder of a producer's licence under the MMPR or of a dealer's licence under the Narcotic Control Regulations, and must be performed according to validated methods. Validation means establishing documented evidence that will provide a high degree of assurance that the testing methods must consistently and reproducibly lead to the predetermined specifications and quality results in dried marihuana. Appropriate reference standards and controls should be included in each testing protocol, and LPs must maintain records summarizing testing protocols followed and detailed testing results for each batch or lot of finished dried marihuana.


I'm still confused as to wether the testing has to be done on site or if we can send samples to a lab. The above paragraph implies that everything must be done on site.
 
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Kron3007

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analyst84 said:
Guidance: Testing of dried marihuana can only be performed by the holder of a producer's licence under the MMPR or of a dealer's licence under the Narcotic Control Regulations, and must be performed according to validated methods. Validation means establishing documented evidence that will provide a high degree of assurance that the testing methods must consistently and reproducibly lead to the predetermined specifications and quality results in dried marihuana. Appropriate reference standards and controls should be included in each testing protocol, and LPs must maintain records summarizing testing protocols followed and detailed testing results for each batch or lot of finished dried marihuana.


I'm still confused as to wether the testing has to be done on site or if we can send samples to a lab. The above paragraph implies that everything must be done on site.
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From my interpretation, that means you can do it in house, have another LP do it, of find a lab with a dealers license do it. In our application we have included the option of accepting marihuana from other LP for analysis purposes. Of course, we have not heard back about this yet, so I can't say anything for certain.
 
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analyst84

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has anyone followed with HC about this issue? It seems extremely restrictive to only allow testing at facalities that hold a dealers licence, instead of facitlites that specilize in testing.




Kron3007 said:
From my interpretation, that means you can do it in house, have another LP do it, of find a lab with a dealers license do it. In our application we have included the option of accepting marihuana from other LP for analysis purposes. Of course, we have not heard back about this yet, so I can't say anything for certain.
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analyst84

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Just got off the phone with health Canada. They confirmed we can get testing off site by qualified labs. The labs do not need to hold a producers licensce.
 
MarijeJane

MarijeJane

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Just want to say hi and join in on this thread. Our small company submitted our LP application about a month ago. We have received a file number from Health Canada and have supplied all the info that Health Canada asked for. We are now just waiting to see what the next response from Health Canada will be. We are in southern Ontario, and hope to be producing on our agricultural property. We have submitted the letters to the local police, fire and government. The only one with questions for us was the fire department. We plan to use an off-site lab. I would love to chat with other perspective LP's and think we will need to form a group for lobbying, group testing, marketing, media releases, etc.
 
R.Raider

R.Raider

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MarijeJane said:
Just want to say hi and join in on this thread. Our small company submitted our LP application about a month ago. We have received a file number from Health Canada and have supplied all the info that Health Canada asked for. We are now just waiting to see what the next response from Health Canada will be. We are in southern Ontario, and hope to be producing on our agricultural property. We have submitted the letters to the local police, fire and government. The only one with questions for us was the fire department. We plan to use an off-site lab. I would love to chat with other perspective LP's and think we will need to form a group for lobbying, group testing, marketing, media releases, etc.
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Welcome to thread Marije Jane. Noticed you mentioned using an off-site lab, do you already have a Quality Assurance person as well?
 
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MarijeJane

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R.Raider said:
Welcome to thread Marije Jane. Noticed you mentioned using an off-site lab, do you already have a Quality Assurance person as well?
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Yes R.Raider, in our application, we had to include the information for our Q.A. person. We are fortunate to have a board member that has experience in quality testing and quality control. Through telephone conversations with Health Canada, we learned that there is no specific qualifications to be a Q.A. in the production of Marihuana. We included with our application a copy of his resume and he supplied a couple of pages of specifics in regards to testing, quality controls and production procedures. We have not heard back yet so we don't know if this is sufficient.
Has anyone been granted a "pre-licensing inspection" yet? From what I understand, that is the next step. I am still trying to understand how any LP could possibly be up and supplying registered patients by March 31, 2014. This seems like a very short time frame in which to get everything built, grow plants, harvest, dry, cure, test, and ship; let alone obtain a customer base. Does any one else think that this will be difficult to do in the time allowed?
 
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analyst84

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I am having he same sentiments as maine jane. The time frame for the operation seems to be very short. I have created an in depth report regarding physical security and am now working on the the Quality assurance report. HC did confirm they are not looking for any specific qualifications for the QA person, they guidence document they provide does seem very intimidating. I'm planning to be the QA person. The closest example I have found for such a report is the QA report on natural medicine HC has posted on their website. The blank report itself is 25 pages, and to fully complete it you need at least double that. Does anyone want to work together in preparation of this report? Most of the procedures would be the same at most plants as a result a divide an conquer approach would work best here.
 
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MarijeJane

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We utilized the guidance document and used it as a template for our application. We are still waiting for a reply but at least we have a file number. I am assuming this means that our application was accepted as complete, bus I am just assuming. Our total application package was close to 100 pages long, including the security clearances.
 
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