MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

Gmack420 said:

So you both have money riding on the success of the mmpr? And you don't like a open honest discussion regarding said program? Please cut the bullshit. No one HAS to use the mmpr system NO ONE. You're trying to curtail the discussion around the mmpr because it suits your wallet not patients needs. The only way you will earn anyone in the mmj community's trust is to fight the gov at every step. And that won't make it possible for you to run as a lp. If your set on being a lp then be prepared to be picked apart. You can't help anyone if your supporting and profiting from the broken system we have.

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Many real, very sick patients must access their medicine in a legal manner. Period. They risk the loss of their children, home, job, everything in order to get the medicine they need. You are correct that anyone could get marijuana by either growing it themselves, buying from the black market or going to a CC. All of those are illegal. I agree that patients rights need to be maintained. So far, the courts and our government have provided the MMPR as the ONLY legal method to obtain medical marijuana. I assume you are aware of this. You can choose whatever you want and assume any risks you choose. Many people choose to obey the law. I do obey laws and I will never advise anyone to break the law.

j0yr1d3 said:

Sure, try producing a quality product at a fair price, would probably be a start. You know instead of trying to make millions off the backs of disabled/sick citizens (most of which have very little money to begin with) at 80%+ mark ups of garbage. I know you personally have tried to do many good things for people in need, but the MMPR as a whole is a complete joke.

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Not disagreeing with you, but it's more like 800% markups not 80%. That would mean $9gram cost them $5 to produce.

MarijeJane said:

Many real, very sick patients must access their medicine in a legal manner. Period. They risk the loss of their children, home, job, everything in order to get the medicine they need. You are correct that anyone could get marijuana by either growing it themselves, buying from the black market or going to a CC. All of those are illegal. I agree that patients rights need to be maintained. So far, the courts and our government have provided the MMPR as the ONLY legal method to obtain medical marijuana. I assume you are aware of this. You can choose whatever you want and assume any risks you choose. Many people choose to obey the law. I do obey laws and I will never advise anyone to break the law.

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Show me a LEGIT mmj user that's had the problems you speak of? Who's kids are being seized because the buy at a dispensary and not a lp? Show me the convictions for possession for the same? Show me someone who's lost their job for not buying dope from a lp? YOU CANT. THEY DONT EXIST. What you're doing now is called fear mongeing and what your portraying as truth is Harper propaganda. And the courts haven't confirmed the mmpr as the only way to obtain mmj. Do you just make this shit up as you go to suit your argument/wallet?

ispice said:

The LP/MMPR is worse than an insult, so was the MMAR.

I was part of the MMAR and am a LP wanna be, I dont agree with much of the regulations and laws we are forced to abide by, but I do my best to put the needs of Canadians who chose to use cannabis as a medicine above those of HC and our Government.

Can one be a LP or wanna be LP and still earn the trust and respect of the medical users?

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I think the way the mmpr was brought in, completely ignoring the results of the 'consultation process', and the heavy handed threats of criminal charges and mandatory prison sentences if we didn't destroy our legal property, kind of turned off mmar patients, especially those with the right to grow. The fact that LP's sided with the government in a misguided idea of a captive customer base and no pricing limits, sealed their fate in regards to a relationship with existing mmj users. If you look back at posts prior to the court challenge, you will get a sense of how much the LP community fought to control 100% of the medical marijuana in this country. While LP's will have their place, don't expect any compassion from patients until we are all guaranteed the right to grow.

MarijeJane said:

Many real, very sick patients must access their medicine in a legal manner. Period. They risk the loss of their children, home, job, everything in order to get the medicine they need. You are correct that anyone could get marijuana by either growing it themselves, buying from the black market or going to a CC. All of those are illegal. I agree that patients rights need to be maintained. So far, the courts and our government have provided the MMPR as the ONLY legal method to obtain medical marijuana. I assume you are aware of this. You can choose whatever you want and assume any risks you choose. Many people choose to obey the law. I do obey laws and I will never advise anyone to break the law.

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The law is broken. There's no justice in an unjust law.

j0yr1d3 said:

The law is broken. There's no justice in an unjust law.

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Not only is the law broken, the police are not enforcing the law until it is clarified by the Supreme Court. No mmj users are being charged for getting meds from the source of their choosing.

Gmack420 said:

Show me a LEGIT mmj user that's had the problems you speak of? Who's kids are being seized because the buy at a dispensary and not a lp? Show me the convictions for possession for the same? Show me someone who's lost their job for not buying dope from a lp? YOU CANT. THEY DONT EXIST. What you're doing now is called fear mongeing and what your portraying as truth is Harper propaganda. And the courts haven't confirmed the mmpr as the only way to obtain mmj. Do you just make this shit up as you go to suit your argument/wallet?

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Do you know what the word illegal means? Many people, including sick people, don't break the law. I know many patients ( I am a nurse) that use medical marijuana. Most of them would never risk breaking the law. I don't have any statistics on convictions but I do know that a criminal charge, even without a conviction, costs many thousands of dollars, involves local Children's Aid agencies, may prevent out of country travel, may put a job at risk and many other associated problems. Most of the people I know would not take those chances.

MarijeJane said:

Many real, very sick patients must access their medicine in a legal manner. Period. They risk the loss of their children, home, job, everything in order to get the medicine they need. You are correct that anyone could get marijuana by either growing it themselves, buying from the black market or going to a CC. All of those are illegal. I agree that patients rights need to be maintained. So far, the courts and our government have provided the MMPR as the ONLY legal method to obtain medical marijuana. I assume you are aware of this. You can choose whatever you want and assume any risks you choose. Many people choose to obey the law. I do obey laws and I will never advise anyone to break the law.

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Ummm. Sorry Marie.
You're not correct.



I don't know why it reminded me of this. Awesome humor at its best!

Marie we are talking about people who need a huge amount of cannbis to cure there cancer and other diseases and if they can't get it from an LP well they sure as hell are not going to be worried what the law says if there life is on the line. You should know this being a nurse and all. Plus no court in Canada will convict if you have a medical need and cannot afford LP prices. It's unconstitutional (to cause a person to choose life over liberty)hints the law suit!!!!!

Peace

MarijeJane said:

Do you know what the word illegal means? Many people, including sick people, don't break the law. I know many patients ( I am a nurse) that use medical marijuana. Most of them would never risk breaking the law. I don't have any statistics on convictions but I do know that a criminal charge, even without a conviction, costs many thousands of dollars, involves local Children's Aid agencies, may prevent out of country travel, may put a job at risk and many other associated problems. Most of the people I know would not take those chances.

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I have a stat for you, it was released last week by health canada. Just over 12000 mmj users buying from lp's. So what does that number mean? More then 75% of canadian mmj users have not used lp's. We live in a democracy if your unaware. The mmpr has already been fully rejected by the sick people it is meant to serve. The 75% who don't use the lp's don't all grow their own. Many buy from other sources. I'm not aking you for stats. I'm asking for individual indisputable cases where a mmj user with a valid mmar or medical document has been convicted of possession like you claim is a huge risk. No one is being convicted, loosing their kids, houses and their freedom. You have skin in the game. You have a financial reason to be saying what you are saying. Don't expect to be left alone when you're playing fast and loose with the truth.

GrowRock said:

Marie we are talking about people who need a huge amount of cannbis to cure there cancer and other diseases and if they can't get it from an LP well they sure as hell are not going to be worried what the law says if there life is on the line. You should know this being a nurse and all. Plus no court in Canada will convict if you have a medical need and cannot afford LP prices. It's unconstitutional (to cause a person to choose life over liberty)hints the law suit!!!!!

Peace

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brick wall dude!

ispice said:

The LP/MMPR is worse than an insult, so was the MMAR.

I was part of the MMAR and am a LP wanna be, I dont agree with much of the regulations and laws we are forced to abide by, but I do my best to put the needs of Canadians who chose to use cannabis as a medicine above those of HC and our Government.

Can one be a LP or wanna be LP and still earn the trust and respect of the medical users?

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Nope ..I don't sleep with enemy

gb123 said:

brick wall dude!

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Fuck this shit lets go play hash hockey.

Gmack420 said:

I have a stat for you, it was released last week by health canada. Just over 12000 mmj users buying from lp's. So what does that number mean? More then 75% of canadian mmj users have not used lp's. We live in a democracy if your unaware. The mmpr has already been fully rejected by the sick people it is meant to serve. The 75% who don't use the lp's don't all grow their own. Many buy from other sources. I'm not aking you for stats. I'm asking for individual indisputable cases where a mmj user with a valid mmar or medical document has been convicted of possession like you claim is a huge risk. No one is being convicted, loosing their kids, houses and their freedom. You have skin in the game. You have a financial reason to be saying what you are saying. Don't expect to be left alone when you're playing fast and loose with the truth.

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you're trying to convince a disgruntled X employee of the MMAR and it's very obvious.
Sorry Marry.

MarijeJane said:

Many real, very sick patients must access their medicine in a legal manner. Period. They risk the loss of their children, home, job, everything in order to get the medicine they need. You are correct that anyone could get marijuana by either growing it themselves, buying from the black market or going to a CC. All of those are illegal. I agree that patients rights need to be maintained. So far, the courts and our government have provided the MMPR as the ONLY legal method to obtain medical marijuana. I assume you are aware of this. You can choose whatever you want and assume any risks you choose. Many people choose to obey the law. I do obey laws and I will never advise anyone to break the law.

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Laws were never changed by blindly obeying them...not gonna happen here. Find someone else to save...like your soul to start with. You should be ashamed participating in those bandits plans.

gb123 said:

you're trying to convince a disgruntled X employee of the MMAR and it's very obvious.
Sorry Marry.

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You mean he was using his mmar license to grow mmj then sell it? For shame.

MarijeJane said:

Do you know what the word illegal means? Many people, including sick people, don't break the law. I know many patients ( I am a nurse) that use medical marijuana. Most of them would never risk breaking the law. I don't have any statistics on convictions but I do know that a criminal charge, even without a conviction, costs many thousands of dollars, involves local Children's Aid agencies, may prevent out of country travel, may put a job at risk and many other associated problems. Most of the people I know would not take those chances.

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Then I'm afraid you aren't aware of what it is like to have every course of treatment not work properly or at all, over and over and over. To the point that doctors just try any AND everything INCASE it may help. All the while dragging patients through a long list of medications and treatments which may not have even been needed but, because it just MIGHT work, they decide to prescribe it. Poked, prodded, and treated like a guinea pig.

THOSE people, the people who have been through, gone through, or are currently going through this nonsense don't give a FUCK about legal or illegal. They simply want a semblance of a normal functioning life, for themselves or the ones close to them. Once you reach a certain point with an illness, POTENTIAL jail time is LAUGHABLE in comparison to the trials already faced on a daily basis as a patient.

Gmack420 said:

You mean he was using his mmar license to grow mmj then sell it? For shame.

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No No..
She said she was a former MMAR.
Never said anything about selling.

gb123 said:

No No..
She said she was a former MMAR.
Never said anything about selling.

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Ok the ex employee part is what threw me off.

I just thought that I would comment on all of this. I am MMAR. I am also a wannabe LP and I believe in a patients right to grow. I applied to be an LP bc I love growing weed and helping ppl who are sick. The reality is - not everyone will want to grow there own so there needs to options for these patients. I'll be the first to agree that the current system is a joke and needs to be restructured. But we shouldn't hate on everyone that wants to become an LP - especially smaller organizations that will provide compassionate pricing. We are the ones that are in the patients corner - bc in many cases, we are patients ourselves.