Minnesota's new MMJ law wording...

tiger mt.

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I suppose any progress is good but some of new states with CBD only or other restrictions are goofy and maybe worse than nothing at all. Like telling people sex is now legal but you can't touch each other...
 

Allan421

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I suppose any progress is good but some of new states with CBD only or other restrictions are goofy and maybe worse than nothing at all. Like telling people sex is now legal but you can't touch each other...
I agree. I don't have a clue how people are supposed to vape oils. Does this mean Dabbing Wax will be legal for patients? I suspect there will be changes made as it moves through rule making. I do wonder if they even know about Dabbing Wax??
 

TreeOfLiberty

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I just saw this article>

http://www.startribune.com/politics/statelocal/261027301.html?page=1&c=y

That's some bullshit slap in the face. These people in the article testified and even admitted to using it illegally for their medical conditions and their testimony helped sway legislators to be pro-MMJ, then... a MMJ bill gets written that makes their particular method of using marijuana ILLEGAL and now they are saying that they don't care to be within the program. Now , that they've stepped forward admitting to use marijuana for their medical conditions, this bill leaves them without legal protection and their names and locations are known so if they continue and I'm sure they will in using marijuana bud form, law enforcement is aware of them.

That's something that takes A LOT of nerve to speak before a senate hearing giving testimony in hopes of getting a MMJ bill passed where you admit your illegal use of marijuana and knowing that your name and address become a target for law enforcement.

I think the rest of the non-legal states pro-marijuana advocates should abandon their MMJ advocacy and go straight for recreational use rallying and skip all this tippy-toe bullshit that legislators are ending up doing. Consider Florida and what the major backer Morgan & Morgan law firm done, their original MMJ bill from a year ago was going to allow bud form dispensing of marijuana as well as THC strains like Kush and Haze varieties but they caved in to their anti-pot opponents and re-wrote the bill where the only thing legalized will be CBD-Oil supposedly claiming that it would give the bill a fighting chance of passing, with no bud form plants and NO strains like Kush or Haze varieties. THAT is NOT what anyone could truly call "medical marijuana". I think they should've stuck to their guns and pushed forward with the original bill come hell or high water.

I'm starting to think that what if this becomes a trend for legislators in the rest of the states, for them to think they can play it safe and not end up totally pissing off their anti-pot constituents but thinking they are appeasing their pro-MMJ constituents by writing CBD-Oil form ONLY legalization bills. This is why I think pro-MMJ advocacy groups should forget about settling for MMJ campaigning and going for full out adult recreational use because it won't give the legislators any wiggle room to write up a bill that's going to cause many to be law breakers anyway. This OIL-FORM only legalization is bullshit and if it becomes a trend, it's not going to change anything for stopping marijuana arrests as those who are using marijuana in the traditional illegal method, will still continue to use it in the illegal method.

Damn, I hope this Oil Form only bullshit doesn't become another roadblock for the rest of the non-legal states, because there's going to be 4 or 5 more states in the 2016 elections with recreational ballots. I could expect this Oil Form only bullshit from the backward south like Alabama where all the law makers are living 30 yrs in the past anyway but not Minnesota.
 

Allan421

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ANOTHER NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT. IT HAS BEEN SIGNED:

http://www.startribu.../261099931.html



THE BILL ITSELF:

https://www.revisor....ession_number=0



I think this will be very interesting to watch develop. The two manufactures need to be chosen by 12/1 if MN can't get a supply from the Feds. There is a six month extension allowed.



Whole plant extracts are allowed. It's not a CBD only law but there will only be two manufactures and they will get to choose strains with input from the Commissioner.
 

tiger mt.

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I'm starting to think that what if this becomes a trend for legislators in the rest of the states, for them to think they can play it safe and not end up totally pissing off their anti-pot constituents but thinking they are appeasing their pro-MMJ constituents by writing CBD-Oil form ONLY legalization bills. This is why I think pro-MMJ advocacy groups should forget about settling for MMJ campaigning and going for full out adult recreational use because it won't give the legislators any wiggle room to write up a bill that's going to cause many to be law breakers anyway. This OIL-FORM only legalization is bullshit and if it becomes a trend, it's not going to change anything for stopping marijuana arrests as those who are using marijuana in the traditional illegal method, will still continue to use it in the illegal method.

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TreeofLiberty, these are damn important things to think about... the anti marijuana side has finally found an effective way to limit the effectiveness of the progression of our movement. You are right on point here, new strategies are going to need to be brought forward. Minnesotans have got to stand up here as well, this law is terrible in more than a few ways. Obviously, compromise is needed to drive progression forward, but this is not helpful.
 

TreeOfLiberty

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I found this article , the state just passed it into law>

http://www.hightimes.com/read/minnesota’s-no-plant-medmj-becomes-law

That oil is going to be expensive and be cost prohibitive to many low income medical users. I notice that it does not allow for chronic pain and that is THE #1 REASON the majority of all MMJ users claim for needing MMJ, is over chronic pain. I use it for that reason and stats show there are at least 100 million chronic pain sufferers in the US with most issues from back pain.

http://www.painmed.org/patientcenter/facts_on_pain.aspx

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20110629/100-million-americans-have-chronic-pain

I think about all of those prescriptions that are filled everyday in pharmacies all over the US for opiates that are physically addictive and bad on the stomach, liver and kidneys as well as needing to take a lot of fiber supplements and water to keep the intestines cleaned out. Not to leave out also they are expensive. Chronic pain should be added to every MMJ bill as that is the most statistical reason and backed up with medical proof for needing MMJ.

I'm sure the writers of that bill know about that demographic of pain sufferers. The next campaign in that state should be over hardcore petitioning for straight out recreational legalization. It's going to be like pulling eye-teeth in trying to get a new MMJ bill because none of the legislators will be willingly to bother with it or even re-amend the super restrictive one that exists now.

I think this bullshit oil-only agenda is what the rest of the non-legal states are going to attempt to stop the MMJ movement from using the buds in a smokable or edible form and that can be defeated by hardcore recreational use campaigning. 2016 is the major year for adding more recreational states.
 

phantombuds

Member
I have my recommendation here in Cali for my chronic back pain. I don't know what I do without my plants :-(. Makes me feel for the people in MN that are going to be left with only 1 choice? (Oil).
 

TreeOfLiberty

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I'm starting to think that what if this becomes a trend for legislators in the rest of the states, for them to think they can play it safe and not end up totally pissing off their anti-pot constituents but thinking they are appeasing their pro-MMJ constituents by writing CBD-Oil form ONLY legalization bills. This is why I think pro-MMJ advocacy groups should forget about settling for MMJ campaigning and going for full out adult recreational use because it won't give the legislators any wiggle room to write up a bill that's going to cause many to be law breakers anyway. This OIL-FORM only legalization is bullshit and if it becomes a trend, it's not going to change anything for stopping marijuana arrests as those who are using marijuana in the traditional illegal method, will still continue to use it in the illegal method.

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TreeofLiberty, these are damn important things to think about... the anti marijuana side has finally found an effective way to limit the effectiveness of the progression of our movement. You are right on point here, new strategies are going to need to be brought forward. Minnesotans have got to stand up here as well, this law is terrible in more than a few ways. Obviously, compromise is needed to drive progression forward, but this is not helpful.

It is beginning to look like the non-legal states have found their angle for undermining the MMJ movement. As this paragraph about New York says. >

"DeFrancisco said he and other members of the Republican conference have concerns about the legislation as the session nears an end next week. He said there may be support for legislation that would not allow medical marijuana to be smoked, but to be used in other forms, such as oil, mainly to help children with seizures or other debilitating diseases."

http://www.wgrz.com/story/news/politics/2014/06/09/medical-marijuana-suffers-major-blow-in-senate/10266137/

They can do this against medical use, but you wouldn't even see them try that with recreational legalization because it wouldn't work. All these state legislators keep their eyes and ears open for what is happening in other states. This "Oil Only" b.s. is going to become a trend and Republicans who have traditionally been extreme opponents against marijuana will start stepping forward approving Oil Only bills to make them look like open-minded progressives but it won't stop any of the arrests of people who use marijuana in bud form in non-legal states for medical reasons.
 

rocknratm

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I got so excited when I first heard about it. But it is the biggest crock of shit ive ever seen. Fuck, we used to be liberal. Were moving in the wrong direction.
They call it a clinical trial. Its better than nothing, but when people need medicine, fuck what the law says.
 

tiger mt.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-belville/new-york-governor-steerin_b_5501003.html

Here is an excellent article explaining how republicans and the prohibitionists are using medical marijuana as a tool to limit the progression of the legalization movement. Attempts to declare mj legal in non smoked forms only to those with dire medical conditions as in MN and NY need to be stopped.

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The governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo, who has been a longtime opponent of medical marijuana, has today delivered a bombshell of demands before he'll sign a medical marijuana law that is fighting its way through the Assembly and Senate. The legislature is set to adjourn this week, so his delay in announcing these demands is clearly not in good faith. His demands would not only make the medical marijuana program largely unworkable, they are also the latest deep step into the political box canyon medical marijuana laws have become.

I have been a proponent of something called the "Box Canyon" theory of medical marijuana for six years now. Simply put, it means that if you fight only for medical marijuana, your marijuana will become only medical. It means that the effort to separate cannabis consumers into groups deserving or undeserving of a cage by their medical conditions or lack thereof is always going to leave some undeserving patients out and let some healthy people in. It means that the only true route to lasting relief for all medical marijuana patients is fighting for legalization for everyone, even healthy people.

The box canyon is a metaphor from old cowboy westerns where the gunfighters would be trapped by canyon walls ahead and to either side, unable to go anywhere but backwards into the clutches of the posse or Indians pursuing them. The Box Canyon occurs politically when tighter and stricter forms of medical marijuana laws are passed to appease the powers that wish marijuana prohibition to continue. We end up being forced to go backwards into the agenda of our opponents, trapped on three sides by the political frames of "medical", "compassion", and "criminals".

First, it was the right of doctors, not legislators, to recommend medical treatments. California famously allowed doctors to recommend cannabis for any condition they believed it would help. Advocates explained that these were "patients, not criminals", subtly defining a frame where cannabis consumers exist in two flavors: criminal and patient. Advocates presented the sickest cancer and AIDS patients and dared voters to choose compassion over prohibition, defining the frame where hard political choices must be made in favor of the sickest even if the choices ignore the majority. Advocates even tried whitewashing getting high as "medicating", pot parties as "medicine evaluations", and healthy people's use of marijuana as "all use is medical", thus playing fast and loose with a frame of "medical" that most people understand as doctors, medicines, and serious illnesses.

So into the Box Canyon marched the next few states to pass medical marijuana laws. California's medical marijuana law began being described with sarcasm quotes around "medical" as media reported on Venice Beach bikini sign twirlers and twenty-somethings getting recommendations at rap concerts. Condition lists were created where legislators decreed exactly for which ailments a doctor would be granted permission to recommend cannabis as a treatment. Cultivation and possession limits were added rather than just letting the doctor determine how much medicine the patient would need. All so fewer of the "criminals" could get in with the "patients". And who could object? Compassion dictates that we make hard political choices for the sickest, right? We've got to ensure that the program is just about "medical", right? Better the "patients" have some medical marijuana with restrictions than no program at all, right?

Next, it was the right of patients to cultivate their own cannabis -- what I consider to be the true miracle of medical marijuana. It's not that cannabis contains these remarkable cannabinoids that contribute to health and wellness. If it's really about THC, CBD, CBN, CBG and so on, medical science will eventually extract, isolate, refine, and deliver those cannabinoids and synthetic replicas in consistent, effective dosages. That's the Box Canyon that leads to GW Pharmaceuticals replacing all the plants in your dispensary with pills, sprays, tinctures, and inhalers that are Schedule III, prescribed by any doctor, and paid for by health insurance.

No, the miracle of medical marijuana is that in order to be healthy, a patient doesn't need a big insurer to fund a big healthcare company that pays a big doctor who dispenses big pharma drugs. A patient can grow a little medicine in the closet or the backyard, that's the miracle! But not since 2010, when Arizona became the first medical marijuana state to deny the right of all patients to cultivate their own medicine. If a patient lives within 25 miles of a dispensary, advocates decided, they should be forced to shop at that dispensary and forbidden from growing their own medicine. That meant some patients funded their own grows after the law passed and then were forced to abandon them as dispensaries came online in Arizona. It's to the point now where 96% of the population lives within 25 miles of a dispensary; effectively a statewide home grow ban. And who could object? Without that rule, Arizona may never have passed medical marijuana and compassion dictates we make hard political choices for the sickest. And it is "medical", right; nobody gets to make their own Oxycontin.

Since Arizona in 2010, none of the recent medical marijuana states have allowed for all patients to home grow. Once law enforcement and their lackeys in the governors' mansions learned advocates would budge on the aspect of medical marijuana that threatens them most, they began chipping away at the rest. Chronic pain? Why, too many "criminals" could fake that; it has to go. Glaucoma? We have better drugs that are actually "medical"; patients should be forced to use those. Severe nausea? Naw, we don't like that, either, take it out or none of the cancer patients get any marijuana! Again, who could object? Compassion dictates we make the hard political choice to help the sickest cancer patients, right?

Lately, even the most anti-medical marijuana states have found their own way into the Box Canyon by embracing the cannabidiol, or CBD-Only medical marijuana laws. Seeing that little girl on the Sanjay Gupta documentary who was cured of her epilepsy awoke a firestorm of support from parents seeking that relief, emboldened because they didn't have to take on any of the stigma of being "criminals" because CBD doesn't get you high. Medical marijuana advocates had been beating red state Republicans with the cudgel of "compassion" for years - how could the GOP be so afraid of "criminals" that they'd let a cancer patient suffer? Now the Republicans get the last laugh by passing CBD-Only bills that make that medical marijuana story go away and lead to headlines describing their "change of heart" on medical marijuana. And who could object - compassion dictates we make the hard political choice to help the epileptic kids, right?

With home grow banned, most conditions restricted, and the "high" removed, the final step into the Box Canyon is to eliminate the marijuana plant entirely. Minnesota just took that step by passing a medical marijuana law that requires shopping at dispensaries for only pills, sprays, inhalers, and tinctures derived from cannabis that patients never get to touch, setting up the exact model of cannabinoid distribution GW Pharmaceuticals seeks to control.

Now, Gov. Cuomo in New York has demanded that there be an absolute ban on the smoking of any medical marijuana. Patients should only get cannabinoids in oil or pill form. Patients should not be allowed to share their medicine with each other. Cheating your way onto the medical marijuana program should be a felony. The state should only have 20 dispensaries. The law should sunset in five years. There should be no timeline for implementation. Post traumatic stress and traumatic brain injury shouldn't qualify. Alzheimer's, ALS, and muscular dystrophy shouldn't qualify. Cancer and HIV/AIDS patients shouldn't qualify to treat the pain, nausea, and wasting associated with their medical treatments. Doctors recommending marijuana should be subject to overrides by the Department of Health.

Gov. Cuomo makes these demands today, the last day before the bill could be brokered for compromise in order to make the legal three-day window for signing before the end of the legislative session on Thursday. So what's it going to be, advocates? Compassion dictates we make tough political choices for the sickest, right? Have our opponents finally marched us deep enough into the Box Canyon for some of us to recognize that another "win" is actually a loss?

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AirAnt

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that's disgusting. Our government is disgusting.

it's hard to believe there's people proud to live here.
 

vro

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that's disgusting. Our government is disgusting.

it's hard to believe there's people proud to live here.
its the fucking jews they are ruining the world. seriously you know even our own government is a slave to the irs? the federal reserve bank is privately owned by jews. lets get rid of this shit
 

AirAnt

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its the fucking jews they are ruining the world. seriously you know even our own government is a slave to the irs? the federal reserve bank is privately owned by jews. lets get rid of this shit
All religion is applied to society the same way. Blaming all of societies problems on one religion is nonsensical as all religions serve the same purpose. Besides, what you refer to as 'jews' is probably more accurately described as Jesuitism. Jesuitism has it's origins in Catholicism, not Judaism.

The most powerful institution on earth for more than a thousand years was the catholic church. Royalty bowed to the Pope, and the history of the middle ages is dotted generously with wars fought between European nobility and Rome's Catholicism. Entire races of people were genocided for refusing to follow Rome's christianity. Do you think this almost all-powerful institution suddenly waned overnight and was replaced by a gaggle of dudes with little beanies on their heads?

Hitler blamed his countries problems on the 'Jews' while working hand-in-hand and in lockstep with the Catholic church. The catholic church provided the lists of people to be exterminated based on their own church's genealogy charts. It was the Jesuit order working for the Catholic church through people like the Bush's that funded Hitler and it was them who betrayed and set him up to fail. Basically a big straw dummy for the mighty United States to knock down, appear to be the hero, and dismantling the threat of Caucasian Nationalism internally.

Look to the man with that stupid fucking fish hat. Almost every single major political leader today still shows public allegiance to Catholic Rome. The Catholic Church has directly ruined my life. Religion rots people's brains, I know that better than any one. I saw my parents take the guidelines set forth by the Catholic Church to turn my life into a living hell. They jerked me around like a puppet for 30 years, using their ignorance against me as weapons to turn a happy-go-lucky bookworm into a miserable, isolated problem child.

So I believe I have a lot more to say about Christianity and it's negative impacts and influences. I believe there is more truth there as well.
 
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