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Micro Herd Nerds

Discussion in 'Organics' started by DANKSWAG, Dec 24, 2016.

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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Hello my RIU organic family,

    I'm wanting create this thread to the pure idea behind Dr. Elaine Ingham statement, and I'm paraphrasing here "everything that is required for a plant to grow is already locked up in the tilt, the sand and the clay and all that's required is the correct balance of microlife to metabolize insoluble nutrients locked up in the tilt, clay & sand into soluble nutrients", that the plants roots themselves produce the exudates that select the bacteria and fungi the plant requires to produce the balance of nutrients the plant needs, by feeding bacteria & fungi they in turn attract higher forms of micro life protozoa & nematodes which feed and excrete the nutrients locked up in the bacteria and fungi which are ready-made soluble for the plants to intake.

    This is why management of the micro life is the sole key to making readily available nutrients and irrigating the rhiosphere healthy anaerobic microlife.

    ? Do you know what form of nitrogen your plants require, ammonium or nitrates?
    ? Do you know how to manage your microherd to produce the required form?

    Perhaps someday this thread can become one of the Mainstays to properly Farm organically.

    Considering most threads, seem focusing on adding nutrients to the soil as if the we're going to be readily accepted by the plants roots. In fact overfeeding with certain foods and thus not having a balanced food web could lead to depletion of nutrients locked up and micro life that has yet to be devoured and excreted.

    Therefore I'm hoping create a thread truly vetted and based in soil science with a requirement anything stated as soil science that properly manages and grows to microherd should have either a reference to Dr. Ingham or other noted soil biologist who follow the same principle that it's ensuring the right blend of microherd is key in supporting either a bacterial dominant, balanced with fungi or fungal dominant soil.

    Let's see if we can keep this about growing the microherd and not some secret soil blend formula that if you buy all these organic ingredients and mix them together you have the most potent powerful soil and poof eerything grows big dense sticky buds, let's get past that to where the real action (science) is within the soil or have you never read Darwin's book the formation of vegetable mold through the action of worms with observations on their habits.

    The point being to this threat is we need to know what we have in our soil before we decide what and how to feed it.

    Please help keep this as source of truth and help me edit out errors.

    DANKSWAG

    Stay tuned more to come....
     
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    backtracker

    backtracker Well-Known Member

    There are three books by Jeff Lowenfels, Teaming with microbes, Teaming with nutrients and his new one Teaming with fungi that are required reading in order to understand the way plants grow.
     
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Backtracker,

    Yes indeed, have yet to acquire Teaming with Fungi, but if you hang with me we will get there.

    I want to get everyone up to speed on the elementary principle of the soil food web before we delve into managing the microherd. If you remember there are some "RULES" for managing the microherd, do you know what the first rule is?

    It has something to do with which form of nitrogen your plant prefers.

    So BTW which of the two available forms of nitrogen does your plant prefer, ammonium (NH4) or nitrates (NO3)?

    If we don't know the answer to this question it frivolous to discuss anything else.

    DANKSWAG
     
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Hello Microherd Nerds,

    Just to give you a little taste of what is to come I've invested a good deal or resources into being able to clearly identify what is taking place in my soil food web.
    Unless you have some sort of mutant human ability 40x-400x magnification for vision you will need something like this.
    OMAX 40X-2500X Full Size Lab Digital Trinocular Compound LED Microscope with 14MP USB Camera and 3D Mechanical Stage
    It doesn't have to be exactly this particular microscope, there are some basic functions needed to properly identify what you have living in your soil.
    However I will be posted HD quality pics of bacteria, fungi, protozoa & nematodes. Stay tuned.... DANKSWAG

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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Here is a lovely Nitrogen Cycle Chart.... Great reference to understanding why the 1st Rule in managing your microherd is so important.
    If you don't understand what is occurring here, you will not have success in applying any of the rules following the first rule.
    There are two forms of Nitrogen in the soil, Ammonium (NH4) is a waste product of protozoa and nematodes consuming bacteria and fungi.
    Ammonium is oxidized converted to nitrates (NO3) by sufficient numbers of nitrogen-fixing bacteria.

    Soil too rich in numbers of nitrogen-fixing bacteria will raise your PH beyond 7 and makes it difficult for fungal acids to properly decay organic matter into available nutrients in the ammonium form. When the soil is not bacterial dominate PH will be lower than 7 and more ammonium form is available.

    The key here is to manage the microherd by applying the appropriate balance of this life via compost or teas to your soil.
    Diseases, pest & nutrient deficiencies occur do to an unhealthy food web, which can be corrected easily & simply by knowing
    what is in your soil food web and what is not and correctly applying bacteria or fungal food to your soil. Your plants know what they require,
    all they require of us is to provide the proper form and amounts of food for the organisms to form a healthy aerobic symbiotic relationship
    with the plants roots.

    DANKSWAG


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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Here is a great soil food web diagram...

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    elkamino

    elkamino Well-Known Member

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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Thanks Elkamino, also if anyone else likes this thread please, please report PurpleSaskatoon. My sister is deceased this post of his is very offensive, however the moderators don't seem to care. Perhaps we can inspire them to remove his post. Its a reflection on the moderators they may as well condone offensive remarks if they leave that up.

    Dankswag
     
    Last edited: Dec 25, 2016
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    I find it humorous and ironic that attached to my first post to create this thread is an advertisement for cycofolower, LMAO, really, seriously anything for a buck who cares if that shit is destroying the ecosystem, you bastards you are killing the planet!

    Sorry, couldn't help but point out the irony of it all. Which brings me to another question is there another website or forum for us cannabis enthusiast that is strictly aligned with holistic organic farming, I am really disappointed that such an add would be found on a forum board for organic growing. It also signifies to me a lack of intelligence, who in marketing would think any one of us would even click on that add, what a waste of space, does your advertiser know you are wasting their money marketing inorganic fertilizers to organic farmers? Ya know what they say, "Stupid is as Stupid does", that's moronic farming for you, just pour more and more on it, which 90% runs off our ecosystem killing the micro life that supports the higher forms of animal life. Want to see the salmon and other fish come back, stop using that shit your more on it (moronic) farmers.

    Dankswag
     
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    elkamino

    elkamino Well-Known Member

    Sorry to hear about the nonsense. :roll: How do people even find the time to F with others online? Life is too short!

    You know about the IGNORE button, eh? If someone's a dick or wrongheaded or instigating I just IGNORE em, without hesitation, it works great. Onward and upward.
     
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    elkamino

    elkamino Well-Known Member

    Ads? You saying RIU has ADVERTISEMENTS!? Huh, I never see em! :lol:

    Find FREE salvation from ass-tracking e-commerce BS here, works great:
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    I'll have to check that out, thanks elkamino.
     
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    NaturalFarmer

    NaturalFarmer Well-Known Member

    Not really one to care in all honesty, but how is this thread any different than the soil food web thread that is stickied?
     
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Well, watch and see, as I said, rules are easy to post, debunking myths that oppose them, showing real life pics of the microherd in different soil types. I am hoping more in depth science and building a thread that explains the science instead of providing formulas that any script kiddie can put together. Anywise I offered an open door to you to contribute help edit correct errors contribute. That is your call.

    Seriously though if we treated micro life as doctors treat patients we wouldn't be doing anything that harms the ecosystem only activities that support it within our farming practices, outside of that it is very hard to exist ourselves in our biosphere without adding pollutants, but if we are start with the ecosystem around us and build the micro life to some extend this will help offset our carbon impact, especially if you produce bio-char with is an excellent biotope for the microherd.

    DANKSWAG,
     
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Hello Micro Herd Nerds,

    Before I post some very cool pics of the micro herd in my soil, just want to share some DYK tidbits!

    DID YOU KNOW....

    The father's of Biological Nitrogen Fixation (BNF) iwere a German agronomist named Hermann Hellriegel & a Dutch microbiologist named Martinus Beijerinck, say that fast three times!.

    Our microherd play a significant role in BNF, where atmospheric nitrogen N2 is converted to ammonia by the nitrogenase enzyme. However this particular enzyme though distributed in diverse environments thrive in anaerobic conditions. Because oxygen is reported as being destructive to this enzyme, soils with good aeration may see very little production of this enzyme from the bacteria know to produce this nitrogen fixing enzyme, thus some of the organisms that produce this only exist in anaerobic soil. Perhaps this is why (could be wrong as I am theorizing here) cover crops such as legumes and the like do well in winter?

    DANKSWAG
     
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

     
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Okay I've taken the time to prepare a soil sample from soil that has just finished a container cycle. Indoor containers do not get the full spectrum of higher level predators to ensure balance in the soil food web, thus why I am moving to a SIP that will be 4x4 and support higher level food chain predators such as earthworms. Did I mention Darwin wrote a book on his observation on the earth worm? Bet he wishes he had a microscope like mine...

    Check out these pics from this soil.
    Container soil.jpg Food Chain Action 10x.jpg Food Chain Action 40x.jpg Food Chain Action 100x.jpg

    Like what you see, do you see someone having lunch here? Who and what are they eating?

    DANKSWAG
     
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    greasemonkeymann

    greasemonkeymann Well-Known Member

    http://www.rollitup.org/t/something-people-ought-to-know.501568/
     
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    backtracker

    backtracker Well-Known Member

    Ya it's like public radio airing koch adds, We use this site for free it cost money to run it and it has to come from somewhere.
     
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    DANKSWAG

    DANKSWAG Well-Known Member

    Unlike radio which broadcast messages over air waves, Tis darn tooting inturdnet thingy me jigger, can be coded to smartly spend advertisers dollars promoting products within boards that are relevant to forum or at a minimum not in direct opposition to the motif of that forum.

    But then again everything we truly need is already in the ground and where the microherd numbers arn"t in your favor, feed & breed those little bastards.

    DankSwag
     
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