Michael Moore's letter to Obama

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November 30th, 2009 3:44 AM An Open Letter to President Obama from Michael Moore


Dear President Obama,
Do you really want to be the new "war president"? If you go to West Point tomorrow night (Tuesday, 8pm) and announce that you are increasing, rather than withdrawing, the troops in Afghanistan, you are the new war president. Pure and simple. And with that you will do the worst possible thing you could do -- destroy the hopes and dreams so many millions have placed in you. With just one speech tomorrow night you will turn a multitude of young people who were the backbone of your campaign into disillusioned cynics. You will teach them what they've always heard is true -- that all politicians are alike. I simply can't believe you're about to do what they say you are going to do. Please say it isn't so.
It is not your job to do what the generals tell you to do. We are a civilian-run government. WE tell the Joint Chiefs what to do, not the other way around. That's the way General Washington insisted it must be. That's what President Truman told General MacArthur when MacArthur wanted to invade China. "You're fired!," said Truman, and that was that. And you should have fired Gen. McChrystal when he went to the press to preempt you, telling the press what YOU had to do. Let me be blunt: We love our kids in the armed services, but we f*#&in' hate these generals, from Westmoreland in Vietnam to, yes, even Colin Powell for lying to the UN with his made-up drawings of WMD (he has since sought redemption).
So now you feel backed into a corner. 30 years ago this past Thursday (Thanksgiving) the Soviet generals had a cool idea -- "Let's invade Afghanistan!" Well, that turned out to be the final nail in the USSR coffin.
There's a reason they don't call Afghanistan the "Garden State" (though they probably should, seeing how the corrupt President Karzai, whom we back, has his brother in the heroin trade raising poppies). Afghanistan's nickname is the "Graveyard of Empires." If you don't believe it, give the British a call. I'd have you call Genghis Khan but I lost his number. I do have Gorbachev's number though. It's + 41 22 789 1662. I'm sure he could give you an earful about the historic blunder you're about to commit.
With our economic collapse still in full swing and our precious young men and women being sacrificed on the altar of arrogance and greed, the breakdown of this great civilization we call America will head, full throttle, into oblivion if you become the "war president." Empires never think the end is near, until the end is here. Empires think that more evil will force the heathens to toe the line -- and yet it never works. The heathens usually tear them to shreds.
Choose carefully, President Obama. You of all people know that it doesn't have to be this way. You still have a few hours to listen to your heart, and your own clear thinking. You know that nothing good can come from sending more troops halfway around the world to a place neither you nor they understand, to achieve an objective that neither you nor they understand, in a country that does not want us there. You can feel it in your bones.
I know you know that there are LESS than a hundred al-Qaeda left in Afghanistan! A hundred thousand troops trying to crush a hundred guys living in caves? Are you serious? Have you drunk Bush's Kool-Aid? I refuse to believe it.
Your potential decision to expand the war (while saying that you're doing it so you can "end the war") will do more to set your legacy in stone than any of the great things you've said and done in your first year. One more throwing a bone from you to the Republicans and the coalition of the hopeful and the hopeless may be gone -- and this nation will be back in the hands of the haters quicker than you can shout "tea bag!"
Choose carefully, Mr. President. Your corporate backers are going to abandon you as soon as it is clear you are a one-term president and that the nation will be safely back in the hands of the usual idiots who do their bidding. That could be Wednesday morning.
We the people still love you. We the people still have a sliver of hope. But we the people can't take it anymore. We can't take your caving in, over and over, when we elected you by a big, wide margin of millions to get in there and get the job done. What part of "landslide victory" don't you understand?
Don't be deceived into thinking that sending a few more troops into Afghanistan will make a difference, or earn you the respect of the haters. They will not stop until this country is torn asunder and every last dollar is extracted from the poor and soon-to-be poor. You could send a million troops over there and the crazy Right still wouldn't be happy. You would still be the victim of their incessant venom on hate radio and television because no matter what you do, you can't change the one thing about yourself that sends them over the edge.
The haters were not the ones who elected you, and they can't be won over by abandoning the rest of us.
President Obama, it's time to come home. Ask your neighbors in Chicago and the parents of the young men and women doing the fighting and dying if they want more billions and more troops sent to Afghanistan. Do you think they will say, "No, we don't need health care, we don't need jobs, we don't need homes. You go on ahead, Mr. President, and send our wealth and our sons and daughters overseas, 'cause we don't need them, either."
What would Martin Luther King, Jr. do? What would your grandmother do? Not send more poor people to kill other poor people who pose no threat to them, that's what they'd do. Not spend billions and trillions to wage war while American children are sleeping on the streets and standing in bread lines.
All of us that voted and prayed for you and cried the night of your victory have endured an Orwellian hell of eight years of crimes committed in our name: torture, rendition, suspension of the bill of rights, invading nations who had not attacked us, blowing up neighborhoods that Saddam "might" be in (but never was), slaughtering wedding parties in Afghanistan. We watched as hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians were slaughtered and tens of thousands of our brave young men and women were killed, maimed, or endured mental anguish -- the full terror of which we scarcely know.
When we elected you we didn't expect miracles. We didn't even expect much change. But we expected some. We thought you would stop the madness. Stop the killing. Stop the insane idea that men with guns can reorganize a nation that doesn't even function as a nation and never, ever has.
Stop, stop, stop! For the sake of the lives of young Americans and Afghan civilians, stop. For the sake of your presidency, hope, and the future of our nation, stop. For God's sake, stop.
Tonight we still have hope.
Tomorrow, we shall see. The ball is in your court. You DON'T have to do this. You can be a profile in courage. You can be your mother's son.
We're counting on you.
Yours,
Michael Moore
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MichaelMoore.com
P.S. There's still time to have your voice heard. Call the White House at 202-456-1111 or email the President.
The criticism never ends, even far left crazy Michael Moore has some things to say to the president.
 

Jack*Herrer420

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I know Obama campaigned on the premise that he would shift the war focus out of Iraq, and into Afghanistan, but it seems many of his supporters are dissatisfied with the decision. They feel that we should pull out completely, and it leaves them to wonder if Obama is really looking out for them. Most of his supporters don't care where the war is, they don't want it at all. Is this the hope and change that so many voted for, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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Obama's supporters assumed it was a wink and a nod when candidate Obama talked about pulling out of Iraq and focusing on Afghanistan. They thought he would pull out of everywhere. And make no mistake, he would like to. But he doesn't want to be known as the one who "lost" Afghanistan. Instead he will try to triangulate and on one hand send 30 some thousand more troops. On the other hand he will claim they are just transitional, train blah blah, and really they are going to speed the pullout up.

He will make promises about withdraw and timetables. All sides in Afghanistan will hear this and assume he is setting the stage for pullout. Listen and see if he talks more about timetables and withdraw, or if he talks about how we are goingto win. He won't even mention the latter. He doesn't want us to win.

What do "you" see as Afghanistan's future under the Obama plan?
 

pluto420

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I was and am an Obama supporter. I had no illusions about his Afghanistan views. I agree with him that is the real place the war on terror needs to be fought if it can be fought with the military. I agree with him on getting out of Iraq. Never thought we should have gone there but also know that its not something we can just pull out and leave at this point. I applaud Obama for taking his time with the Afghanistan strategy and not shooting from the hip when it comes to such a complicated and serious situation.

One thing I hear Beck, Hannity, and gibson constantly say is that obama needs to say we are going to win in Afghanistan. I don't know what that means. I dont think anyone really does. In a game their is a winner and loser unless they have ties like hockey and soccer. But in this type of situation how do you define winning? I am glad I dont have to try and do that. To me the most important thing that needs to happen to get a chance at "winning" is to get the corruption in the Afghanistan gov, military, police, etc down.
 

MexicanWarlord420

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Obama's supporters assumed it was a wink and a nod when candidate Obama talked about pulling out of Iraq and focusing on Afghanistan. They thought he would pull out of everywhere. And make no mistake, he would like to. But he doesn't want to be known as the one who "lost" Afghanistan. Instead he will try to triangulate and on one hand send 30 some thousand more troops. On the other hand he will claim they are just transitional, train blah blah, and really they are going to speed the pullout up.

He will make promises about withdraw and timetables. All sides in Afghanistan will hear this and assume he is setting the stage for pullout. Listen and see if he talks more about timetables and withdraw, or if he talks about how we are goingto win. He won't even mention the latter. He doesn't want us to win.

What do "you" see as Afghanistan's future under the Obama plan?
I think he said during the primaries that he'd withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan during first year in office.
 
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I think he said during the primaries that he'd withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan during first year in office.
No. He said Iraq was distracting from Afghanistan where the real fight should be. What I want to know is, if he can't say we are determined to win, whatever win means, then why send more troops and set timetables? Just withdraw now and get it over with.
 

jeffchr

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Obama openly campaigned that he supports the war in Afghanistan. I didn't like that position then and I definitely don't like it now that he is following through with it. I voted for him for other reasons. I contributed to his campaign. And I campaigned for him. Nobody knew how bad W was really fucking things up back then. He's going to have a hard time selling tonight IMO.
 

pluto420

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I agree we are in a rock and a hard place. I am not sure there is a good solution. Stay and it will cost lots of lives and money and we may never achieve anything for those costs. If we leave, we abandon the people who's country was torn apart. What is not reported on very much is that the common people (especially women and children) who are really struggling to survive. We also know that there are terrorists who will regroup stronger and use the messed up country to run their operations out of.

Once again I am so glad I dont have to make a decision in this lose lose situation.
 
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I agree we are in a rock and a hard place. I am not sure there is a good solution. Stay and it will cost lots of lives and money and we may never achieve anything for those costs. If we leave, we abandon the people who's country was torn apart. What is not reported on very much is that the common people (especially women and children) who are really struggling to survive. We also know that there are terrorists who will regroup stronger and use the messed up country to run their operations out of.

Once again I am so glad I dont have to make a decision in this lose lose situation.
This is going to end up with a "I was for it before I was against it" moment for Obama.
 

redivider

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i hope it does.

it takes a real man to know when you are wrong, admit it, and change your position...

you should try it...
 
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i hope it does.

it takes a real man to know when you are wrong, admit it, and change your position...

you should try it...
I tried it last time I was wrong, back in '83. I wonder how Michael Moore is feeling this morning? Maybe he's working on a new movie about war-monger Obama!
 
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