MG deficiency, help with epsom salt

Leandrobcool said:

It won't stress them in this point in the game? I sliced them 2 weeks ago and at that time i thought about that, but i didn't get rectangular pots bigger than 22l..

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If it's been two weeks then just remove them from the pots gently loosen the roots and up pot. Won't hurt them a bit and will help yield.

Leandrobcool said:

Interesting, I will let it grow a bit more to transplant it to different pots. But, its true i found some tinny balls(maybe seeds) that when i squeezed them they pooped some liquid that it had inside.

Spinosad looks like a safe choice, did u tried already?

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Yes, I've used spinosad for thrips and it wiped them out.
Soaking mosquito bits in water before feeding will keep fungus gnats away.
My grow space has zero insect activity -- and I check regularly because it's connected to the garage and not sealed.

whitebb2727 said:

If it's been two weeks then just remove them from the pots gently loosen the roots and up pot. Won't hurt them a bit and will help yield.

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Cool, I haven't thought that..I will do that when the pots will dry out..tks for all the tips, thumbs up!

Chunky Stool said:

Yes, I've used spinosad for thrips and it wiped them out.
Soaking mosquito bits in water before feeding will keep fungus gnats away.
My grow space has zero insect activity -- and I check regularly because it's connected to the garage and not sealed.

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I can see that u r well prepared

I was looking everywhere for spinosad but unfortunately it doesn't sell where I m living.

I needed to go with neem, it was the only bio possibility...but today I checked the plants and the thrips r still alive n leaving the silver shit..in the package says to repeat the application after 7 days, maybe at that time they will die..

I just don't understand how the hell I got those bastards in my plants, first time I hade problems with bugs growing indoor's.

Chunky Stool said:

The most accurate for organic soil is the kit with the color chart and capsules.
You take soil from 3 different spots and make a slurry with distilled water. Filter out the solids, add the capsule of magic powder, then match the color to get PH.
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https://www.walmart.com/ip/TEST-PH-KIT-FOR-SOIL/23624591?wmlspartner=wmtlabs&adid=22222222222017198633&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=e&wl1=o&wl2=c&wl3=10356955041&wl4=pla-1103079595143:aud-807612879&wl12=23624591_10000000871&wl14=soil ph test kit &veh=sem&msclkid=db7da7ef983919cd63fffc14f61756ed

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Im so old, and even though I handwater promix, I still use the old pool method, ph juice and a lil container. lol I got it down now I know exactly how much to add almost to a T, and its on, without checking, but I check anyway.

Chunky Stool said:

Yes, I've used spinosad for thrips and it wiped them out.
Soaking mosquito bits in water before feeding will keep fungus gnats away.
My grow space has zero insect activity -- and I check regularly because it's connected to the garage and not sealed.

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Spinosad works on any leaf eating pest. It's good stuff.


For fungus gnats, first it's a sign of too much moisture. Let the soil dry and they die.

The easiest way to rid them is to put a layer of sand, perlite or mulch on top of the soil. It's breaks their breeding cycle.

Leandrobcool said:

Cool, I haven't thought that..I will do that when the pots will dry out..tks for all the tips, thumbs up!

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No problem.

Root bound cause all kinds of wierd issues.

whitebb2727 said:

Spinosad works on any leaf eating pest. It's good stuff.


For fungus gnats, first it's a sign of too much moisture. Let the soil dry and they die.

The easiest way to rid them is to put a layer of sand, perlite or mulch on top of the soil. It's breaks their breeding cycle.

No problem.

Root bound cause all kinds of wierd issues.

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I tried both the sand and perlite.both is a pain in the ass and I would never try it again(perlite is nasty and can blow everywhere,the sand was a waste of time)tried natnix too,wont be using that again either. I've only had fungus gnats once and it came from my local hydro store.crushed mosquito bits on top of my soil watered in did the trick.i really didnt like the idea of using it,but it does work.

It's also crucial to cover your pot drainage holes with "queen" size nylons if you're struggling with gnats.if there is a way to get in/out of the soil,they'll find it.

natureboygrower said:

I tried both the sand and perlite.both is a pain in the ass and I would never try it again(perlite is nasty and can blow everywhere,the sand was a waste of time)tried natnix too,wont be using that again either. I've only had fungus gnats once and it came from my local hydro store.crushed mosquito bits on top of my soil watered in did the trick.i really didnt like the idea of using it,but it does work.

It's also crucial to cover your pot drainage holes with "queen" size nylons if you're struggling with gnats.if there is a way to get in/out of the soil,they'll find it.

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Sand works just fine. If it didn't work for you then it must of been way too much moisture.

I've used sand and mulch several times and it worked.

It has to be thick enough layer.

whitebb2727 said:

Sand works just fine. If it didn't work for you then it must of been way too much moisture.

I've used sand and mulch several times and it worked.

It has to be thick enough layer.

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I was using promix.i let the soil dry out between waterings.it takes awhile to break the gnats life cycle and I had enough play sand on top to slow my watering to an excruciating slow rate.i also covered my pot holes with nylons.sounds like your familiar with gnats so I'll take your word on it working for you.however,I would never use it again and wouldn't recommend it going off my own experience.

natureboygrower said:

I was using promix.i let the soil dry out between waterings.it takes awhile to break the gnats life cycle and I had enough play sand on top to slow my watering to an excruciating slow rate.i also covered my pot holes with nylons.sounds like your familiar with gnats so I'll take your word on it working for you.however,I would never use it again and wouldn't recommend it going off my own experience.

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I didn't use play sand. I used a course sand.

I prefer mulch. I use something similar to promix as a base that I add organic amendments to to.

A layer of something from the start works the best. They never have a chance to take hold.

The best things to use are neem seed meal and diatamacous earth mixed in with your soil. The diatamacous earth is great. It cuts bugs exoskeleton and makes them dehydrate and kills them.

OK guys the Epsom seems to have done the trick! she's starting to "green" up nicely, I'm wondering if I need to continue spraying with Epsom? I've sprayed about 4 times very lighty(few days apart), since you guys helped me! it has worked but I'm wondering if I should stop, or maybe give it a light spray every 2 weeks or something? thanks for the help everyone!!!

and I wish I would have came here first rather then assuming I knew exactly what the problem was... bc I didn't and was wrong, I top watered with a few things trying to help now I've got a fuck ton of fungus gnats! not the worst thing I know and I hung up tons of sticky traps, and also drying out the sip, now just to wait until they are gone!

Your girls are looking much better; good for you! If it were me, I'd continue with the Epsom, although to what extent, I couldn't say exactly without being in front of your girls. You've probably got a handle on them, so maybe a light spray once a week, and see if that keeps things on track; if not make your adjustments up or down. Glad you got things going your way now...

CannaCountry said:

Your girls are looking much better; good for you! If it were me, I'd continue with the Epsom, although to what extent, I couldn't say exactly without being in front of your girls. You've probably got a handle on them, so maybe a light spray once a week, and see if that keeps things on track; if not make your adjustments up or down. Glad you got things going your way now...

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hell if that's the case I can take so many pics u will feel like your there lol, and I love taking pics, I'll do it at lights on...

but I was thinking the same thing thing, a super light mix sprayed once every 2 weeks, I don't think that can hurt in any way, but that's why I'm here just to make sure!

also thanks for the advise.

If spraying once every 2 weeks keeps everything green then you're on the right track. If you see the leaves beginning to fade and show the deficiency again, then you know you need to up it some. Remember, too much of anything is bad, so while you've solved your problem, be careful not to cause yourself a new one by going over board. And you're welcome for the advice; thanks for sharing your grow.

here's some more pics, super happy she's bouncing back!

some great info in here guys been a good read, what over the counter soil would you fellas recommend im from the uk i dont have time to make a living soil. Also apart from the over counter soil what additions would you add to it to give you the best possible grow

Peargrow said:

some great info in here guys been a good read, what over the counter soil would you fellas recommend im from the uk i dont have time to make a living soil. Also apart from the over counter soil what additions would you add to it to give you the best possible grow

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fox farms ocean forest, happy frog, or roots organics! all nice choices!

and would you add any extras in these like a mycorrhizal fungi

click my name, I've posted my entire recipie and everything I do and add! the newest stuff is in the gorilla glue thread!

but only thing I would add from the beginning is azos, and mykos! but watch out bc ocean forest can be hot

kratos015 said:

The problems from under-watering are easily remedied, but over-watering can really fuck you

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Indeed.
Oh but I've never overwater all at once. Its was more of a patient, installment plan style poisoning.