whatsgoodiii
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In late but subbed. I wanna see what those 2 yield. 
Medical Scrog: My first Real Grow
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Canibitual
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a buddy's supposed to give me a free tank tomorrow, I'll just be gassing the room real quick once a day for a split second, so it'll be better than I had before, some of my plants don't really need it, but some, like my bubba Kush won't grow worth a crud without it... the quality is good, but yield on that is pathetic without it... next thing I buy for the room is a controller setup (around $350) so that it'll turn on at 1300 and off at 1500... just to keep it safe...lol
legallyflying
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I would gas for a second once every 3-4 hours or whenever you think of it. In an average sized room, opening the tank for about 1 second will yield 1300-1500 PPM.
midwestfunkmaster
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Set me straight man [or anyone knowledgeable is free to answer]:
I gather the purpose of a scrog is "even canopy" and I've seen people use these technique many different ways.
In your SCROG are you bending the branches of the plant under the screen
OR
Are you setting the screen up and just letting the plants "find its way" through the screen however it sees fit
OR
Are you "weaving" the plants branches through the openings of the screen like above one string and under the other string, so on an so forth?
I've been trying to figure this out. Thanks in advance.
I gather the purpose of a scrog is "even canopy" and I've seen people use these technique many different ways.
In your SCROG are you bending the branches of the plant under the screen
OR
Are you setting the screen up and just letting the plants "find its way" through the screen however it sees fit
OR
Are you "weaving" the plants branches through the openings of the screen like above one string and under the other string, so on an so forth?
I've been trying to figure this out. Thanks in advance.
teddiekgb123
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Ya this was hard for me to figure out and even going into it, I still didn't know for sure if my understanding was correct. First of all, I tried two different methods. Grid and Bush(below is a pic from early on in page 1)
I let all the plants get around 10" if I remember correctly and then I topped the main stem on the grid plants at 6" and cut off everything except the 4 top branches. The bush plants just got topped once on the main stem at 9". I put the screen at 13". You let the branches grow through the screen. When a branch gets about 3"-4" above it, you pull it back under the screen and move to the next hole further away going in the direction that you've planned for it. In my grid plants, all the branches grow towards the edge of the screen. The bush plants grows outward in circle. Some secondary branches on both grid and bush will have to be assigned to grow the other way towards the center. How close together you have your buds and how big they will end up when they are filled out completely will determine how far above the screen you want to go....or vise versa. If they are close together, then you don't want to go to high above the screen since the lower stuff won't get much light and you'll hurt your yield and quality. If the buds are spaced out a little then you let them grow a little higher above the screen, say a foot maybe. You determine how high above the screen your plants will end up by when you stop training during the flowering stretch. You can train the plants until the end of stretch and have a lot of shorter buds closely spaced together like I did, or stop training early, say a week before the end of stretch, cut out a lot of the bull shit smaller branches and grow taller colas that are spaced out a little more. Hope that helps, I would explain a little more, but I gotta go. late
Kaptain Kron
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My understanding of scrog and i know there is more than one way to skin a cat but i prefer it a slightly different way so ill just throw it out there, I dont top. My understanding is its easier to fill the whole screen that way for a good example of that look here https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/344359-pineapple-express-g13-labs-seed.html
He does it the same way i do no topping, you let it grow into the screen and above it just like like you do and weave it through the same but i take the laterals that are shooting out to become tops and bend them back under and they travel a little ways and pop back up. I've found its easier to fill the screen this way without getting that void you spoke of having earlier. Everyone does it a little different and it all works but thats how i've found to get rid of the empty space is to just not to top. Dont know if that made sense or not
He does it the same way i do no topping, you let it grow into the screen and above it just like like you do and weave it through the same but i take the laterals that are shooting out to become tops and bend them back under and they travel a little ways and pop back up. I've found its easier to fill the screen this way without getting that void you spoke of having earlier. Everyone does it a little different and it all works but thats how i've found to get rid of the empty space is to just not to top. Dont know if that made sense or not
teddiekgb123
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Final weight is in. Cheese 27.7 - 7 plants / Vanilla Kush 8.7 - 2 plants / Skunk Berry 7.3 - 2 plants = 43.7/2.73lbs
It's funny....I've been whining about how my vanilla kush wasn't going to yield very much and on the A pheno I got 6.1 zips. I couldn't believe it. The B pheno grew like crap but still gave me 2.6. The vanilla kush is amazing smoke. The jars they're curing in smell like a vanilla scented candle when you crack em open. The smoke also tastes and smells like vanilla and then the smell morphs into a flowery potpourri. Never had anything like it. I love it. The skunk berry doesn't have a ton of smell but does have a unique flavor thats kinda hard to describe, it's also very potent. I have to say that I'm very happy with the turn out and I really appreciate everyone that stopped by and chimed in. Not sure what strains I'm doing yet, but check in for round two. later guys
It's funny....I've been whining about how my vanilla kush wasn't going to yield very much and on the A pheno I got 6.1 zips. I couldn't believe it. The B pheno grew like crap but still gave me 2.6. The vanilla kush is amazing smoke. The jars they're curing in smell like a vanilla scented candle when you crack em open. The smoke also tastes and smells like vanilla and then the smell morphs into a flowery potpourri. Never had anything like it. I love it. The skunk berry doesn't have a ton of smell but does have a unique flavor thats kinda hard to describe, it's also very potent. I have to say that I'm very happy with the turn out and I really appreciate everyone that stopped by and chimed in. Not sure what strains I'm doing yet, but check in for round two. later guys
teddiekgb123
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I know I'm sorry. Been really busy lately, it's nice. The vanilla kush is ready and the skunk berry still have to cure a little longer. I'm about to head out the door, but I'll post some nice bud shots later tonight or tomorrow.
Kaptain Kron
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hahha yes EVERYONE loves the VK man i had a batch that had been grown under LED a vert grow believe it or not. the guy that grew it is a rep for an LED company and he sells to my delivery guy. His LED's are impressive however VERY fuckin pricey. Densest nugs i've had in YEARS man. I dont know how this guy did it on a vert grow with LED panels and not the KESSIL high penetrators but he did and the nugs were beast and DANK as hell MAD trichs too because his lights put out a lot of UV.
Im cutting back on plant numbers next time around i had 30 on a 2x3 table and they were all 2.5 3ft tall lol. Trying to cut back to 12 or so scrogged.
I want to see some nug shots of your VK to see differences im curious about amount of trich's as these were done under HPS and MH and LED produce more UV than HPS which is supposed to be excellent for trich production.
I wish i had room to run HID and LED in conjunction right now but i dont so im stuck with LED although i'm so far ecstatic with the results its beat out my 400w hps without breaking a sweat however is not as powerful as a 600w. So right in the middle there somewhere. Im hopin for between 3/4 of a elbow off my 2x3 table to an elbow. Hopefully more next time around once i get rid of some of the crowding.
You got it spot on in describing the VK EVERYONE i talk to that grows it or has smoked it pretty much gives me the same story sounds like its VERY pheno stable and really only pops out one pheno most of the time from what i've seen and heard.
Im cutting back on plant numbers next time around i had 30 on a 2x3 table and they were all 2.5 3ft tall lol. Trying to cut back to 12 or so scrogged.
I want to see some nug shots of your VK to see differences im curious about amount of trich's as these were done under HPS and MH and LED produce more UV than HPS which is supposed to be excellent for trich production.
I wish i had room to run HID and LED in conjunction right now but i dont so im stuck with LED although i'm so far ecstatic with the results its beat out my 400w hps without breaking a sweat however is not as powerful as a 600w. So right in the middle there somewhere. Im hopin for between 3/4 of a elbow off my 2x3 table to an elbow. Hopefully more next time around once i get rid of some of the crowding.
You got it spot on in describing the VK EVERYONE i talk to that grows it or has smoked it pretty much gives me the same story sounds like its VERY pheno stable and really only pops out one pheno most of the time from what i've seen and heard.
teddiekgb123
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sorry everyone. forgot i had to help my dad move. i'll post some good pics with close ups soon. off to bed
Jozikins
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Dude, I saw your post on the H&G Thread, fucking beautiful buds! I love how you can clearly see the full effect of the Shooting Powder in your nugs, they get that chunky "nug-splosion" going on. If it wasn't so fucking late I would read every page of your thread, but for right now, I'll just give you some props, and tomorrow, probably rep once I learn something, haha.
teddiekgb123
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enhance your calm pak
I've been really busy lately and I finally got a minute to set up some nice pics, took a bunch and now my dock won't recognize my camera. I don't have that little usb to hook the cam directly to the computer. Sorry everyone. Gonna be real busy the rest of this week and weekend as well so it may be a minute.
Jozikins
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Pretty sweet grow dude. I see some things I would do differently, but I have to give you props on a excellent room and an incredible yield! + rep. I hope you cloned that Vanilla Kush pheno, I don't think I need to tell you that's heavier than your average plant. Have you ever considered a light rail? 200 bucks, give or take, saves you a lot on the electricity bill.
So are you sure your plants hermie'd? I remember the first time I saw a calyx grow out of another one I thought it was balls too, but after waiting half a day or so I saw pistils shoot out of it. It's just the mighty awesomeness that is H&G. And I know your cousin likes Fox Farm's, and while I enjoy many of their products, I have done a comparable side-by-side, and the House and Garden wins out by a long shot. While the number of plants weren't the same, the results were obvious for anyone to see, the H&G gave bigger, fatter, chunkier nugs, with a much better perfume than the Fox Farm gave. The fox farm booster pack is cheaper than Bud XL, Top Booster, and Shooting Powder, and it works great, but H&G keeps a more stable pH, it doesn't use a base with chunky particles that do not do well in a hydroponics set up, not to mention stronger smelling and tasting nugs. Fox Farm makes some fantastic soils, though. But VermiCrop is giving them a run for their money.
If you noticed a lack in flavor or taste in any of your buds, start bugging your local H&G rep about their "Cell Splitter" or "Cell Excelurator." It's not available in the US, but the more you bug them the faster it gets on the market. A completely fictional statement would be "If you ask a rep about obtaining the Cell Excelurator, he would tell you he already has some you can have for free." But once again, that is just a fictional statement. This product is amazing and provides lots of humic acid, carbon, beneficial bacteria, carbohydrates, silica, and some other wonderful shit. If you can't get any of your grubby sticky fingers on this product, Liquid Karma by Botanicare actually makes a wonderful substitute. It doesn't have any silica in it, but I see you are already using grow stones with silica in them, very expensive, but also very nice. However a liter of Dyna-Gro silica supplement is only $11, and using expanded clay pebbles is a lot cheaper. I would also consider adding something like "Sweet: Raw" by Botanicare to add some more frost and flavor, sufficient cal-mag along with your carbohydrate will ensure a full-bodied flavor. And if we are adding additional carbs, we might as well add some mycorrhizae, I like Mykos, but I hear Great White goes a lot further.
I think if you kept doing exactly as you are, you are bound for success, you've already achieved it once. This is just my 2 cents. Sharing is Caring
So are you sure your plants hermie'd? I remember the first time I saw a calyx grow out of another one I thought it was balls too, but after waiting half a day or so I saw pistils shoot out of it. It's just the mighty awesomeness that is H&G. And I know your cousin likes Fox Farm's, and while I enjoy many of their products, I have done a comparable side-by-side, and the House and Garden wins out by a long shot. While the number of plants weren't the same, the results were obvious for anyone to see, the H&G gave bigger, fatter, chunkier nugs, with a much better perfume than the Fox Farm gave. The fox farm booster pack is cheaper than Bud XL, Top Booster, and Shooting Powder, and it works great, but H&G keeps a more stable pH, it doesn't use a base with chunky particles that do not do well in a hydroponics set up, not to mention stronger smelling and tasting nugs. Fox Farm makes some fantastic soils, though. But VermiCrop is giving them a run for their money.
If you noticed a lack in flavor or taste in any of your buds, start bugging your local H&G rep about their "Cell Splitter" or "Cell Excelurator." It's not available in the US, but the more you bug them the faster it gets on the market. A completely fictional statement would be "If you ask a rep about obtaining the Cell Excelurator, he would tell you he already has some you can have for free." But once again, that is just a fictional statement. This product is amazing and provides lots of humic acid, carbon, beneficial bacteria, carbohydrates, silica, and some other wonderful shit. If you can't get any of your grubby sticky fingers on this product, Liquid Karma by Botanicare actually makes a wonderful substitute. It doesn't have any silica in it, but I see you are already using grow stones with silica in them, very expensive, but also very nice. However a liter of Dyna-Gro silica supplement is only $11, and using expanded clay pebbles is a lot cheaper. I would also consider adding something like "Sweet: Raw" by Botanicare to add some more frost and flavor, sufficient cal-mag along with your carbohydrate will ensure a full-bodied flavor. And if we are adding additional carbs, we might as well add some mycorrhizae, I like Mykos, but I hear Great White goes a lot further.
I think if you kept doing exactly as you are, you are bound for success, you've already achieved it once. This is just my 2 cents. Sharing is Caring
teddiekgb123
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thanks man, I appreciate the good advice. I'm adding a second room this cycle that's about the same size as the one I have now. I wanted to put two lights in as I'm not concerned about electricity at all, but I decided to try out a light rail. I just ordered one off ebay along with some hortilux bulbs, so I'm looking forward to seeing how this next one goes. I'm getting a 4x8 tent, so I think I can probably do a 4x6 footprint with a rail, maybe 7' or the full 8'?. I would also like to get one for my current room and have both my lights move back and forth a foot, but that will have to go on the next cycle's list. I am using great white this time and I'll definitely look into some of the other additives you talked about. thanks again
Jozikins
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Another 4x8? Sounds like the best idea I've heard all day! Your gonna get arthritis from trimming so much.
I think with a 6' light rail you should be able to cover 8' with the size of your hoods, possibly less, I wouldn't stress too much about it. A light rail also increases your yields, it get's all that tasty light to all the nooks and crannies. But yeah dude, buy it just a little at a time, there is no reason to put more into it than you are getting out. I can't wait to see your next grow, it's getting me excited for my next grow, I'm just waiting to move into my new place to start up again..
I think with a 6' light rail you should be able to cover 8' with the size of your hoods, possibly less, I wouldn't stress too much about it. A light rail also increases your yields, it get's all that tasty light to all the nooks and crannies. But yeah dude, buy it just a little at a time, there is no reason to put more into it than you are getting out. I can't wait to see your next grow, it's getting me excited for my next grow, I'm just waiting to move into my new place to start up again..
teddiekgb123
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this sucks.......got the little usb to hook the cam directly to the computer and it still doesn't do anything so I'm thinking that the camera must have gone bad. sorry again.
I decided to do 6 vanilla kush on res#1 and 3 bubba kush on res#2 in my main room under two lights. Clones are a week old from cutting them, no roots pokin' through yet but they look good. Just got most of my stuff in the mail today for my second room. I ordered 10 red dragon seeds from Barney's and I'm going to scrog them in room 2 (the 4x8 tent) under a 1000w on a light rail. It's funny, red dragon is half West Himalayan kush, so I'll be growing 3 kush strains.
I decided to do 6 vanilla kush on res#1 and 3 bubba kush on res#2 in my main room under two lights. Clones are a week old from cutting them, no roots pokin' through yet but they look good. Just got most of my stuff in the mail today for my second room. I ordered 10 red dragon seeds from Barney's and I'm going to scrog them in room 2 (the 4x8 tent) under a 1000w on a light rail. It's funny, red dragon is half West Himalayan kush, so I'll be growing 3 kush strains.