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Medical Marijuana: is it ethical?

Discussion in 'Toke N Talk' started by Bookworm, Oct 7, 2008.


    Bookworm Well-Known Member

    I have an interesting thought about medical marijuana.

    We all know that at least 80% of people out there with med cards get little to no medical benefit from their herb, they're just faking "insomnia" or "migraines" or whatever to get out of a possible possession charge down the road. However, we also know that the illegality of our beautiful sweet leaf is a total farce. Is it ethical to lie/cheat your way around an unjust law?

    Seamaiden Well-Known Member

    First, can you cite where you got your numbers, please? Also, can you elaborate on the "little to no medical benefit", please?

    Third, yes, it is unethical, but for me it's not quite that cut and dried because of the nature of federal marijuana laws.

    KiloBit Well-Known Member

    It's well known our fore fathers grew hemp and smoked pot. As a matter of historical fact it was a crime NOT to grow. Now sometime later a new set of rules come which generate a very substantial revenue for certain industries. For example, law enforcement, drug testing, drug masking, etc. I could go on.
    Hmmm. So if the purpose of the restrictions on this natural growing phenomenon is revenue generation for certain industries, then I think we can safely consume and/or grow with no moral infraction.
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    Biggravy22 Well-Known Member

    nope. i'd lie in heartbeat to get a medi card.

    Greymattertripp Well-Known Member

    Is relief of insomnia not a medical relief???

    There is a multi billion dollar a year pharma industry that will argue with you if you say no.

    I get medical cannabis and I'm not dying.

    If any of you cared to read the law it simply says 'anything for which cannabis provides symptom relief for' and your doctor is the one who determines if it is effective in relieving symptoms.

    Read california health and safety code 11362.5 or prop 215

    GrowTech stays relevant.

    I too would like to see what these statistics you're mentioning are based on... Also, whether or not a person is willing to defraud a system put into place for sick, and dying people is a matter of individual ethics.

    Would you use your dead fathers name to cash his social security checks?

    If you were undergoing cancer treatments and your selection of medical cannabis was slim, how would you feel?

    The title of this thread should be: Medical Marijuana: Is lying to get it ethical?

    OF COURSE if you named the thread that, you would have already answered your question.

    No, it's blatantly unethical.

    Greymattertripp Well-Known Member

    I get medical cannabis and I'm not dying.


    If any of you cared to read the law it simply says 'anything for which cannabis provides symptom relief for' and your doctor is the one who determines if it is effective in relieving symptoms. THIS IS WHAT IT IS INTEDED FOR!!!!:wall::wall::wall::wall::wall::wall:

    Read california health and safety code 11362.5 or prop 215

    MrFishy Well-Known Member

    Whatever a person has to do to alleviate worries of incarceration for simply growing or smoking this miracle herb seems reasonable to me. Just wait. I think we're gonna see a whole lot of seniors taking growing up as a wonderfully rewarding hobby, one that can give a person a reason to be. Period. Now what they gonna do with a zillion senior growers, legal or otherwise?

    GrowTech stays relevant.

    Did I say it was for "just dying people" ??? No. I didn't, I said sick and dying. AKA, it's not for people who's farts smell, breath smell, or sweat profusely, it's not for people who don't have symptoms which could be relieved by the use of it. I don't know what planet your from, but I don't generally go to see my doctor because I'm feeling too healthy.

    Don't tell me to read any H&S codes, or Prop 215... I could write prop 215 in a bucket of water with invisible ink and a blindfold. In fact, I'll be bold enough to say that I probably know the laws and regulations a little bit better than you do.

    Oh yes, and so you're aware. 11362.5 is prop 215.
    Florida Girl

    Florida Girl Well-Known Member

    What ^^^^ said :clap:

    NewGrowth Well-Known Member

    Its well known that medi pot is another way to pass legalization. I don't see anything unethical about helping sick people and making it more available for recreational use at the same time.

    We have allowed the government to spread propaganda and sneak anti-pot legislation through congress for way to long. The DEA uses sob stories about sick addicts all the time in their media campaigns why can't we do the same and show people the truth about this healing herb? Americans are influenced by emotions reason is a small factor so medi pot is the best way to raise awareness.

    What is more wrong sending non-violent drug offenders to jail instead of treatment or telling a white lie to protect yourself from ridiculous laws? Just don't go bragging about it, support NORML and give back to the "REAL" (cancer patients, AIDS patients, ect.) medical community and it's all good.

    Pot has helped me tremendously to overcome depression but in my state that is not accepted. I have back pain but it is not chronic so that is not accepted either. These may be "minor" medical issues but my depression became life threatening in the past and smoking pot for my occasional back pain helps me be productive when I would otherwise be drunk on valium and still in pain.

    Greymattertripp Well-Known Member

    Actually moron the health and safety code has had amendments, the prop is in its original form.

    Take your loss with some grace this time.
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    GrowTech stays relevant.

    Not that you have an argument when you're wrong, but it doesn't help to call people morons. Here personal attacks are frowned upon, and you should choose your words wisely.

    Read for yourself. CA Secretary of State - Vote96 - Text of Proposition 215

    Greymattertripp Well-Known Member

    Keep your threats for someone whos intimidated by pre pubecent teenies.

    Don't start what you can't finish, and don't pop off at the mouth when you have no idea what your talking about.

    NewGrowth Well-Known Member

    Dude since you have been here which is not long you have called at least three people morons. Two of those people I respect as growers. I suggest you join the community and post your knowledge in a more friendly matter.:peace:

    brendon420 Well-Known Member

    rules were made to break..
    is it ethical to teach people how to smoke pot?

    GrowTech stays relevant.

    "Threats" --- "pre pubecent teenies"

    ...and I'm the one being called a moron. LOL. :roll:

    Greymattertripp Well-Known Member

    So its the practice of the community to be confrontational on the basis of fallacy and then gang up on the person with the empirical evidence just because you can???

    WTF? Is the this forum supposed to be the U.S.?

    If someones wrong and they come at me sideways, fuck them, they are a moron in my humble opinion.

    If they want to be friendly I'll be friendly, and I have no problem with anyone who doesn't start problems with me.bongsmilie

    Seamaiden Well-Known Member

    For those here in California, have you had an opportunity to read through the text of Proposition 5? If passed it would remove non-violent drug offenders from the "prison" track and handle them differently. It would, most significantly, "would make the possession of less than 28.5 grams of mj by either an adult or a minor an infraction (similar to a traffic ticket) rather than a misdemeanor." Subject to fines as punishment.

    NewGrowth Well-Known Member

    I don't have a problem with your opinions just don't insult my friends in the process please. There are many good debates/discussions on this site that don't resort to flaming. I have years of growing experience myself and I have learned a lot from some of the people you call "morons".

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