Massachusetts DWC 4 DAYS until FLOWERING photos inclu; NUTES HELP PLEASE

Hope all is well, I will be going into a late flowering transition starting Monday 1/30/2017.
My plants were seeded 12/10/16, DWC 6x 3gallon~2.75 under 600watt MH light super lumen. 16/8 light cycle.
I will be putting them under the 12/12 light cycle Monday after I snag some clones this Sunday. My question: SHOULD I flush my nutes ? Should I just ADD flowering nutes on top of VEG NUTES ? Should I I not add NUTES for a few days and slowly introduce FLOWERING NUTES to VEG NUTES ? What should I do. I have Advanced nutrients COMPLETE recipe, TECHNAFLORA complete recipe, HEAVY 16 complete recipe and general hydroponic organic go box complete recipe. What should I USE ? I've been using technaflora complete recipe and HEAVY16 "root" along with ORCA and TARANTULA during vegetative stage. CURRENT PPM @ 385 pH @5.8 fluctuations no higher than pH 6.2. Switching HOS. 600 watt on MONDAY. Please help, THANKS

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MaloMAL said:

Hope all is well, I will be going into a late flowering transition starting Monday 1/30/2017.
My plants were seeded 12/10/16, DWC 6x 3gallon~2.75 under 600watt MH light super lumen. 16/8 light cycle.
I will be putting them under the 12/12 light cycle Monday after I snag some clones this Sunday. My question: SHOULD I flush my nutes ? Should I just ADD flowering nutes on top of VEG NUTES ? Should I I not add NUTES for a few days and slowly introduce FLOWERING NUTES to VEG NUTES ? What should I do. I have Advanced nutrients COMPLETE recipe, TECHNAFLORA complete recipe, HEAVY 16 complete recipe and general hydroponic organic go box complete recipe. What should I USE ? I've been using technaflora complete recipe and HEAVY16 "root" along with ORCA and TARANTULA during vegetative stage. CURRENT PPM @ 385 pH @5.8 fluctuations no higher than pH 6.2. Switching HOS. 600 watt on MONDAY. Please help, THANKS

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just curious

why so many brands?

I could help you with how to mix it to get your ratios in line

I suppose I would naturally recommend the one im most familiair with but likely several are fine

I have the mix info already figured for the

GH3part
advanced 3 part
technaflora


I can post the formulas for those
which of them do you prefer?

also tell us how you've been mixing it, try to be on point
for example

grow 8mls per gallon
micro4mls per gallon
bloom 2mls per gallon
calmag 4mls per gallon

how many gallons to you mix at a time..or reservoir size

what EC/PPM are you feeding
what PH

verify your medium... is that hydroton?

another question

whats your water source
city water/well water are you using a reverse osmosis water filter?
do you happen to know if your water is hard or soft do you know the ph of your source water

im trying to determine the likely hood of calcium content in your source water

do you have a calmag product avaialable? if yes what are the N-Mg-Ca numbers on the bottle
is it ???
N .......2%
Ca......3.2%
Mg......1.2%
Fe.......0.1%

advanced nutrient

full strength bloom formula (EC 1.2 roughly depending on source water)
per gallon
grow 3mls
micro 9mls
bloom 6mls
b52 3mls
over drive 3mls (max)
Epsom salt 1/4 tsp

the over drive; you could easily start at 1ml in the first 2 weeks... then week 3 & 4 add 2mls....then week 5 to finish run 3mls
or you can just does 3 mls from start to finish if you want to keep it simple

with advance nutrients (being on the low end of the P scale) I would recommend ph adjustment with phosphoric acid

depending on your source water you might need a very small amount of calmag but not more than 1ml per gallon max

give me a couple ours and I will post the veg info

advance nutes
veg formula full strength (EC roughly 1.2 depending on source water)
per gallon

grow 5mls
micro 10mls
bloom 5mls
b52 5mls
Epsom salt 1/4 tsp per gallon

maybe calmag at not more than 1ml per gallon depending on your source water

again phosphoric acid is the best option for ph adjustment

these formulas are balanced and low enough of an EC to make lock-out unlikely

if you require a slightly higher EC mix it the same but with slightly less water
if you require a lower EC mix it with slightly more water

for sprouts that require nutes and rooted clones start at half strength bloom nutes for the first 2 weeks (EC 0.5)

manage your reservoir with these rules or practices in mind
Originally Posted by OldPhart
Basic cheat sheet:
Ec goes up, PH goes down=plants require less nutes.
Ec goes down, PH goes up=Plants require more nutes (only, if you see def)

technaflora series
per gallon
veg full strength nutes
10mls boost
5mls grow
1.5mls magic
1 gram Epsom salt (1/4 tsp)

bloom full strength nutes
per gallon
5mls boost
5mls bloom
1ml awesome
4mls magic
0.5 grams Epsom salt (1/8 tsp)

the bloom might be light on N
I would feed the veg up to week 3 of 12/12

im4satori said:

just curious

why so many brands?

I could help you with how to mix it to get your ratios in line

I suppose I would naturally recommend the one im most familiair with but likely several are fine

I have the mix info already figured for the

GH3part
advanced 3 part
technaflora


I can post the formulas for those
which of them do you prefer?

also tell us how you've been mixing it, try to be on point
for example

grow 8mls per gallon
micro4mls per gallon
bloom 2mls per gallon
calmag 4mls per gallon

how many gallons to you mix at a time..or reservoir size

what EC/PPM are you feeding
what PH

verify your medium... is that hydroton?

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Got them at a SUPER bargain price. Mostly locally. Owners getting rid of nutrients for nonsense reasons, (product label) changes. Dumb shit like that smh.

I use TUB water (city water) my water comes from the Boston harbor via Boston sewage commission. My pH of TUB water is 8.4 rises 9.0. TUB ppm @84 before nutes or any additives. pH adjusted @5.8 ppm of water rises ppm 102 before nutes or additives.. I don't use RO water. I don't have high fluctuations after pH adjustment. All fluctuations are normal and only rise within the rage of ([email protected]@6.2)....

I don't have b52. (Advanced Nutruents) I have tarantula, carboload, iguana juice, ancient earth, micro, bloom, grow (jungle juice), micro, bloom, grow, (gorilla image).

I have the STARTER RECIPE for technaflora. So ALL of what it includes.

Bennies : Orca, kelp, CO2 photosynthesis bacteria. I haven't used the kelp yet though.

Last GRADUATED recipe: 1/19/17
Boost - 5.0mL
Grow - 2.5mL
Red - .80mL
Magi - .80mL
Sugar - 3.30mL

ppm@398

1/24/17
2.0mL of tarantula

1/26/17
Boost - 5.0mL
Grow - 2.5mL
Red - .80mL
Magi - .80mL
Sugar - 3.30mL

2.0mL of tarantula
1.0mL of CarboLOAD.

Ppm@475

As far as what percentage I have it's all under TECHNAFLORA schedule for their starter recipe. That is the ONLY NUTRIENTS I've been using on these plants with the EXCEPTION of Heavy16 "roots", Heavy16 "foliar" (sprayed foliage 32oz of FAUCET WATER ~ 2.0 of Foliar) tarantula, carboload, orca, hydro peroxide, and CO2 photosynthesis

6x 3gallon @2.35 gallon filled under currently 600watt MH super lumen Digital ballast.

I don't have the % info for many of those products

looking at your plants I see magnesium def or lock out

it might be as easy as Epsom salt but let me take a look at what your mix yields before I say with any certainty
I will check back with you tomorrow

I will also look at the advanced mix, I sure the b52 can be worked out of the mix easily

btw

Im a masshole also

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im4satori said:

I don't have the % info for many of those products

looking at your plants I see magnesium def or lock out

it might be as easy as Epsom salt but let me take a look at what your mix yields before I say with any certainty
I will check back with you tomorrow

I will also look at the advanced mix, I sure the b52 can be worked out of the mix easily

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where do you see this CalMAG deficiency or lockout. None of my leaves are yellowing ? What should I do before flowering as far as nutes and res change. I plan on changing light cycle to 12/12 Monday res change veg NUTES on Thursday into 1/3 of Flowering nutrients. What do you think ? I'm thinking fresh nutes. Fresh water, clean buckets, and ph adjstued rinsed roots. Also tomorrow I will be giving my plants their last bit of recommended technaflora nutes to raise ppm @600. So tomorrow recipe is.

3rd nutrients graduate phase. 12/27/17
Boost - 5.0mL
Grow - 2.5mL
Red - .80mL
Magi - .80mL
Sugar - 3.30mL

That'll fulfill the recommended recipe amount needed to be at
600ppm per gallon. I know I should be at 1200 since I'm using 2
Gallon worth of liquid but I'm not a big fan of over doing it with adding
Nutrients. Thanks

the advanced 3 part
minus the b52
im not having any luck finding a combo that works using the products I have on file

im sure one of the others you mentioned would possibly work

you got anything that has N and Mg without calcium or sulfur??
something with magnesium nitrate maybe

maybe let me check out how your mixing it first.......

im4satori said:

I don't have the % info for many of those products

looking at your plants I see magnesium def or lock out

it might be as easy as Epsom salt but let me take a look at what your mix yields before I say with any certainty
I will check back with you tomorrow

I will also look at the advanced mix, I sure the b52 can be worked out of the mix easily

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2-0-0 for the technaflora starter recipe Magi CAL (calcium magnesium)

the top leaves are slightly taco shaped or canoe shaped with the margins(long edges of the leaves) rising

its mild enough not to cause damage if we figure it out

I wouldn't be set on getting up to 1200ppm
if 800 to 1000ppm doesn't show def youd be better off

im4satori said:

the advanced 3 part
minus the b52
im not having any luck finding a combo that works using the products I have on file

im sure one of the others you mentioned would possibly work

you got anything that has N and Mg without calcium or sulfur??
something with magnesium nitrate maybe

maybe let me check out how your mixing it first.......

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I mix it in 4oz of Poland spring water unadjusted. I then add it in my res. I then pH adjust res if need to do so as pH isn't a big issue for me.

I wouldn't recommend calmag

just yet

it has more calcium than magnesium

theres no rush your plants look good
lets talk it thru make sure we get it right

don't give me too much info too fast
youll confuse me