Marijuana Bonsai
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panhead
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You cant look at growing weed that way with a dead set low price in mind,having a budget that is low is one thing but plants need a bare minumum of light to be healthy,this is where the bulk of start up costs will be,plan on spending about $200 to get up and running with a system that will grow weed,anything less & chances are quality will be effected,also keep in mind that 2 or 3 plants usually means 2 or 3 ounces of dried buds so why not have those 2 or 3 ounces be the best they can be quality wise,a $200 investment is a budget system,set up can be cheaper but quality will be lowered.
The way to achieve top quality buds is with high pressure sodium lighting or (HPS),anything less like cfl's is an inferior light source,cfl's will work but they are far inferoir when compared to hps,cfl's produce less buds than hps & the quality of the bud is also less,another drawback to using cfl's is extended grow time,no light system is as fast as hps,this produces savings because grow time is shorter,on a gram per watt basis there is no equal to hps,then on a watt per dolar ratio the 400 watt hps systems are the best bang for the buck.
You can get a complete plug and play hps systems on ebay for between $100 & $200 depending on dealer & where you live,prices variate.
This is what you want,it is a starter type system,smaller systems like 250 watt systems & cfl's will work but going smaller will affect yeild,this is the smallest system i would ever reccomend to anybody,anything smaller is a toy in my opinion & not worth the time or money.
You'll then need a timer to control light cycles,stick to analog timers as they are more reliable & last longer than digital timers,this is a timer & can be bought on ebay or hardware stores,they cost between $5 & $20 each.
You then need a fan to blow air on the plants,this stimulates them into building healthier plants,its also the best way to keep spider mites out of the garden,alot of people make big mistakes in this area by not having enough moving air on the plants,spider mites hate free moving air,an oscalating fan is the best choice.
Dont make the mistake alot of other new growers do by trying to go too cheap at first,we see this alot,people are just dying to get started & buy thre cheapest lights they can get,then later on start having problems,this leads to spending more cash,at the end of the grow you end up having spent more on a bunch of cobbled up lights than you would of had you bought the proper light right from the start,the proper light is a 400 watt system as pictured,again anything less is a toy & will ending up costing you more by the end of the grow,we've seen this a million times.
eza82
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I have Just started to make my own bonsi about 1 1/2 yrs ago..... From JUNIPER PINE....
Here is my experiment bonsi- BONSI ON A ROCK.........
Under the soil is a rock.... plant has been placed over the top and filled in..... Each month Ill take alittle bit more soil.... Eventually the roots will run down the rock into soil below... Fully exposing the rock & the roots, & base of tree all on top of the rock.....
Been going for about 4mths that one!
Getting there SLOWLY......
Here is my experiment bonsi- BONSI ON A ROCK.........
Under the soil is a rock.... plant has been placed over the top and filled in..... Each month Ill take alittle bit more soil.... Eventually the roots will run down the rock into soil below... Fully exposing the rock & the roots, & base of tree all on top of the rock.....
Been going for about 4mths that one!
Getting there SLOWLY......
Frank Zappa
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thanks to you all for showing interest.You cant look at growing weed that way with a dead set low price in mind,having a budget that is low is one thing but plants need a bare minumum of light to be healthy,this is where the bulk of start up costs will be,plan on spending about $200 to get up and running with a system that will grow weed,anything less & chances are quality will be effected,also keep in mind that 2 or 3 plants usually means 2 or 3 ounces of dried buds so why not have those 2 or 3 ounces be the best they can be quality wise,a $200 investment is a budget system,set up can be cheaper but quality will be lowered.
The way to achieve top quality buds is with high pressure sodium lighting or (HPS),anything less like cfl's is an inferior light source,cfl's will work but they are far inferoir when compared to hps,cfl's produce less buds than hps & the quality of the bud is also less,another drawback to using cfl's is extended grow time,no light system is as fast as hps,this produces savings because grow time is shorter,on a gram per watt basis there is no equal to hps,then on a watt per dolar ratio the 400 watt hps systems are the best bang for the buck.
You can get a complete plug and play hps systems on ebay for between $100 & $200 depending on dealer & where you live,prices variate.
This is what you want,it is a starter type system,smaller systems like 250 watt systems & cfl's will work but going smaller will affect yeild,this is the smallest system i would ever reccomend to anybody,anything smaller is a toy in my opinion & not worth the time or money.
You'll then need a timer to control light cycles,stick to analog timers as they are more reliable & last longer than digital timers,this is a timer & can be bought on ebay or hardware stores,they cost between $5 & $20 each.
You then need a fan to blow air on the plants,this stimulates them into building healthier plants,its also the best way to keep spider mites out of the garden,alot of people make big mistakes in this area by not having enough moving air on the plants,spider mites hate free moving air,an oscalating fan is the best choice.
Dont make the mistake alot of other new growers do by trying to go too cheap at first,we see this alot,people are just dying to get started & buy thre cheapest lights they can get,then later on start having problems,this leads to spending more cash,at the end of the grow you end up having spent more on a bunch of cobbled up lights than you would of had you bought the proper light right from the start,the proper light is a 400 watt system as pictured,again anything less is a toy & will ending up costing you more by the end of the grow,we've seen this a million times.
well, i think i can see it more clearer.
are there any west european users? cause the weather factor is a think to include here. my plants are 10 days old and here is how they look like:
damn small and damn slow groing. from the 7 only 6 have new leaves, small ones...
well, thanks anyway. i think i got i clear.
i'll start the investiment soon
only one question:
1. for how many weeks do you veg your plant?and for how many weeks do you flower it?
again, thanks to you all
Frank Zappa
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and dude, thats some yummy plants 
Frank Zappa
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that's some cool bonsais
jm30
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I'm doing one of my G13 Haze plants Bonzai style. I vegged for 2 mos. Topped the plant a couple times. I'm now 5 weeks into flower and the buds are looking fantastic. I did a lot of trimming and training during veg that resulted in multiple tops. I'll snap a pic later and try and post it soon. I'm very proud of my bonsai and will yield over an ounce. Oh yeah, you wanna go organic get the whole line of foxfarms and follow thier soil schedule. Oh, and use some organic molasses for some phat buds.Peace.
panhead
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Being that this man has stated several times that he is on a budget why would you reccomend the absolute most expensive soil mixture on earth
Just so you know frank Fox Farms is good soil as is their fertilizers but they are not anything special & surely nothing secret,using Fox Farms can yeild some excellent results but no better than a soil mix that you can make up yourself using products from any nursery at 1/10 the cost.
Same with Fox Farms fertilizers,if you have alot of cash there is nothing wrong with them but you can get just as good fertilizer for $10,again at 1/10 the cost of the full line of Fox Farms Fertilizers.
Research what nutrients marijuana plants need & take notes,smae gose for soil,research recipies for soil to plant marijuana in & take notes again,you'll save a few hundred bucks.
I hate spending money needlessly, fertilizers & soil are the 2 areas where if you research properly you can do just as good using economy products as with ultra expensive products,light is the one area that cannot be bypassed or skimped on,its the most important aspect of growing by far.
panhead
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This thread needs disected,the answer you got on this question is wrong,not only can cannabis be flowered multiple times (over & over again) it's a pretty common pratice,it's called "re-vegging" the plant & something im doing as we speak with a few of my plants.
After you harvest all the buds you leave small amounts of vegatation on the plant,then take the root mass & cut about 60% of the old root mass away & repot in fresh soil,feed the plant with a dose of nitrogen then throw the plant back on 24 hours light & wait for new vegatative growth,new leaves will sprout & turn into new branches,once new branches appear then the plant can be re-budded,over & over again,this is not at all uncommon or a secret method.
Fuzzotany
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Every time I did this my plant went all retard and started growing funny leaves and branching off in odd ways, it's an abomination I tell you.
panhead
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Its not an abomination, its all part of the normal revegitating process,had you let the plants live they would have pushed past the abnormal growth you experienced & started growing under normal conditions again & been able to reflower again as well.
TheDankness
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I am the one that answered his question and said it only flowers once. Maryjane is *supposed* to only flower once, we are just fucking with nature when we re-veg. I know about re-vegging, but I have also seen some mutant plants come from doing it haha. We all have to remember we're working with a bit of a noob here, lets let him get his feet wet before we teach him how to play god haha.
Frank Zappa
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Reading that plants can re-veg is awesome. it will make me save money on root hormones, and it will be a lot easier to me, believe it. I think its more difficult to clone than to re-veg, but everyone has their opinion, and who am i to judge it. well, i only have one final question:
1. how many weeks do you recomend veging, and how many weeks do you recomend flowering?
Again, thanks dudes
free the weed
TheDankness
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I would say for your needs veg the plants until they are 6-12 inches tall, this will result in plants that end up between 18-36 inches from my experience. You're wrong about the cloning thing though. Cloning is fucking easy, all you need is a cup of water for gods sake(did you read about the water cloning technique?). Re-vegging a plant takes a long time, and as stated, can cause some funky mutations. Look into cloning a little more and I'm sure you'll find it to be a better option than repeatedly re-vegging the same plant haha.
Frank Zappa
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i must say you all surprise me every time. whenever i think i'm close to all the answers, you give me more questions and that's a good thing
well, i guess i need to learn a bit more about water cloning. i'll definetely look it up. do you have any links to this technique?
and what about my question, does anyone have answers?
take care, and keep up
oh, and Panhead, if you ever wanna talk about Frank Zappa's music, go ahead. What i think is that i've only been listening to some Frank's cd's an not others. If you have any question, feel free to talk about it. I also apreciate very much your wisdom and cousels
Frank Zappa
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by the way, i have a bag full of seeds.i must say you all surprise me every time. whenever i think i'm close to all the answers, you give me more questions and that's a good thing
well, i guess i need to learn a bit more about water cloning. i'll definetely look it up. do you have any links to this technique?
and what about my question, does anyone have answers?
take care, and keep up
oh, and Panhead, if you ever wanna talk about Frank Zappa's music, go ahead. What i think is that i've only been listening to some Frank's cd's an not others. If you have any question, feel free to talk about it. I also apreciate very much your wisdom and cousels
as i will only begin my investiment thursday, if anyone has female or feminized seeds that doesnt need and gives away, or sells, please, let me know
MrFishy
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If it weren't for re-vegs' many would have no strain. It's the only way (I know of) to capture an exotic strain from a bag grow. With re-veg and cloning skills growers can assure themselves a top-notch crop. Without these skills, well, you either need to buy exotics or chance growing who-knows-what (with no way to save it)
I've been re-vegging for 30-some years. Never had a failure. I like the funky growth that ensues when a plant is re-vegged.
It's SASSY.
Pan- Howdy, Bud . . . I've never trimmed the roots (on re-vegs') but can see that this would make perfect sense in re-veg, especially in generations 3-thru-infinity. Gen2 has always done fine w/o the trim, for me anyway.
I've been re-vegging for 30-some years. Never had a failure. I like the funky growth that ensues when a plant is re-vegged.
It's SASSY.
Pan- Howdy, Bud . . . I've never trimmed the roots (on re-vegs') but can see that this would make perfect sense in re-veg, especially in generations 3-thru-infinity. Gen2 has always done fine w/o the trim, for me anyway.
Cyndrindale
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I have a bonsai plant that was my weak seedling, yet to my surprise it is now my strongest. I topped it and it is in a 5 inch pot! Haha. I never did this before but it can be done for sure you just need to water it like every other day minimum. I do not have a camera but it is going to be two big donkeydick colas, I am guessing I will get at least 1.5 oz dry from it. Oh ya I use all organics, just bat and rabbit shits with teas in between.
panhead
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Hey fishy, long time
The funky growth is kinda cool isnt it,i had a big ass leaf that was the size of my hand but looked more like clover than it did pot,i was wanting the whole plant to keep pumping out those big ass clover leafs but it straightened out & got normal.
Whats the most re veg's you've done on a plant,im on my 3rd right now with my avatar bud plant.