Male flower emerging from a bud?

DorianGray

DorianGray

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I've heard that into the 3rd stage of ripeness, male flowers can show. This is at 46 days 12/12. Everything is balanced, soil pH, heat, light, nutes, overall temp and RH. No stressors to think of. Whats going to happen if this male flower opens and spreads it pollen?
 

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Sgt.Sly

Sgt.Sly

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CUT THEM OFF!!! ASAP......and look for more at every node. if they spread pollin then all your buds will have tonnes of seeds. Something has caused that plant to stress, OR think that it has bloomed beyond it's natural life cycle.
 
Sgt.Sly

Sgt.Sly

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Now there is an advantage here since your plant seems to be a FORCED Hermi. IF you can collect the male flowers without spilling pollin....and THEN take that pollin to another PURE female, you'll end up with Feminized Seeds.
 
trichromalicious

trichromalicious

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Keep those pollen bananas off the plants and collect them. Then pollinate just one small bud at the bottom of the plant. You should end up with feminized seeds just in that area where you pollinated. Keep of the bananas and you shouldn't have any seeds.
 
DubB83

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Hermis can be genetic. I have had my fair share of them.

DO NOT PLUCK THE FLOWERS

You will inadvertently pollinate your plant by breaking it open also two will grow back in that one's place.

If you let your plant finish it's term it MAY produce mature enough seeds, but this far along I expect you to find a few small immature seeds when you harvest. The whole plant will not get pollenated unless you have poor ventilation or recirculate your air. I vent outside 3x the volume of my room every minute and hermis only affect some bud sites close to the male flower.

The seeds will produce more hermi plants so if you plant any mature seeds expect them to do the same as this plant. The seeds will only be female if the same plant is pollinated, do not pollinate a random plant. If you stressed your plant to create male flowers then you could use them to produce feminized seeds but only on the same plant the pollen came from. Otherwise you are just cross breeding and male seeds will be in the mix.

Just speaking from my experiences and what I have learned over time.

~GG420
 
DorianGray

DorianGray

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DubB83 said:
Hermis can be genetic. I have had my fair share of them.

DO NOT PLUCK THE FLOWERS

You will inadvertently pollinate your plant by breaking it open also two will grow back in that one's place.

If you let your plant finish it's term it MAY produce mature enough seeds, but this far along I expect you to find a few small immature seeds when you harvest. The whole plant will not get pollenated unless you have poor ventilation or recirculate your air. I vent outside 3x the volume of my room every minute and hermis only affect some bud sites close to the male flower.

The seeds will produce more hermi plants so if you plant any mature seeds expect them to do the same as this plant. The seeds will only be female if the same plant is pollinated, do not pollinate a random plant.

Just speaking from my experiences and what I have learned over time.

~GG420
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Thanks Dub, I thought this might be the case, but this plant was a true female. Why would the new seeds be hermie?
 
DubB83

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DorianGray said:
Thanks Dub, I thought this might be the case, but this plant was a true female. Why would the new seeds be hermie?
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It is not a true female if it is a hermi already and you did not stress it to grow male flowers.

Hermi is in the plants genetics, you said the conditions were optimal.

Pollenating itself is just like cloning but slower, all of your plants will have the same genetic characteristics and turn out hermi as well.

~GG420
 
DubB83

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Personally I would finish the cycle, not removing anything, and clean the room thoroughly and start new unrelated seeds. That is the only way to make sure you have a pure female.

A ton of plants grown from bag seed will produce hermis because it is in their genetics.

EDIT: If the pollen sacs open up when most of the "hairs" or stamens change from white they will be too far along to catch pollen and the calyx will close preventing pollination. Hope that happens to you so your not picking through too many beans.

~GG420
 
DorianGray

DorianGray

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DubB83 said:
Personally I would finish the cycle, not removing anything, and clean the room thoroughly and start new unrelated seeds. That is the only way to make sure you have a pure female.

A ton of plants grown from bag seed will produce hermis because it is in their genetics.

EDIT: If the pollen sacs open up when most of the "hairs" or stamens change from white they will be too far along to catch pollen and the calyx will close preventing pollination. Hope that happens to you so your not picking through too many beans.

~GG420
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Its about 50/50 on the hairs
 
DubB83

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You should be ok, BTW your plant looks great! Do you have a pic of the whole sha-bang?

I'm running a SOG so hermis are an automatic loss to me kinda like males. I have no room for pollen in a SOG! Ha ha ha.

Here is a picture of a plant that went hermi at week 10 and was still wanting to flower!

Far away:


Up close:


The purple thing is the male banana, for some reason this is the first time I have had a plant go that long and have bananas that were not yellow.

Here is a typical FORCED hermi from my garden:


See the bright yellow male flowers?

Crazy huh!

~GG420
 
Green Cross

Green Cross

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DubB83 said:
Hermis can be genetic. I have had my fair share of them.

DO NOT PLUCK THE FLOWERS

You will inadvertently pollinate your plant by breaking it open also two will grow back in that one's place.

If you let your plant finish it's term it MAY produce mature enough seeds, but this far along I expect you to find a few small immature seeds when you harvest. The whole plant will not get pollinated unless you have poor ventilation or recirculate your air. I vent outside 3x the volume of my room every minute and hermis only affect some bud sites close to the male flower.

The seeds will produce more hermi plants so if you plant any mature seeds expect them to do the same as this plant. The seeds will only be female if the same plant is pollinated, do not pollinate a random plant. If you stressed your plant to create male flowers then you could use them to produce feminized seeds but only on the same plant the pollen came from. Otherwise you are just cross breeding and male seeds will be in the mix.

Just speaking from my experiences and what I have learned over time.

~GG420
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so what if you may produce a few more hermies? Hermies is not a dominant trait, and the whole point of creating your own feminized seed is to eliminate any males, which this does.

But I'll agree that it's better to create seed from a female clone, that has male flowers forced - using chemicals, because you are eliminating the chance that the hemie gene may be carried on.

I'm torn on this though, because the breeders do everything by the book, and still we see hermies - from feminized seed - but usually caused by stress.
 
DubB83

DubB83

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I forgot to mention that it is impossible anyway to pluck all of the bananas, for every 1 you see on the outside of the bud there are 4 more INSIDE the buds.

Your resistance is futile! Just let her finish natural and she will treat you well.

~GG420
 
Green Cross

Green Cross

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DubB83 said:
You should be ok, BTW your plant looks great! Do you have a pic of the whole sha-bang?

I'm running a SOG so hermis are an automatic loss to me kinda like males. I have no room for pollen in a SOG! Ha ha ha.

Here is a picture of a plant that went hermi at week 10 and was still wanting to flower!

Far away:


Up close:


The purple thing is the male banana, for some reason this is the first time I have had a plant go that long and have bananas that were not yellow.

Here is a typical FORCED hermi from my garden:


See the bright yellow male flowers?

Crazy huh!

~GG420
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That's pretty cool, thanks for posting these pics. I'm trying to force some male flowers on my females, and wasn't sure what to look for.

Doesn't anyone know what the little yellow growth is in the second pic, just below center (on the pic)? Looks like a tiny yellow crab claw... I see these on my plants and nobody can seem to identify them.
 
DubB83

DubB83

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Green Cross said:
so what if you may produce a few more hermies? Hermies is not a dominant trait, and the whole point of creating your own feminized seed is to eliminate any males, which this does.

But I'll agree that it's better to create seed from a female clone, that has male flowers forced - using chemicals, because you are eliminating the chance that the hemie gene may be carried on.

I'm torn on this though, because the breeders do everything by the book, and still we see hermies - from feminized seed - but usually caused by stress.
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Well in a SOG the hermis will populate the younger crops and ruin your next harvest, maybe not the one your currently on but for sure any plants your planning on flowering that are around it are in danger of becoming fully populated... With good ventilation this is minimalized but still a pain when your working a revolving harvest.

bongsmilie

~GG420
 
DubB83

DubB83

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Green Cross said:
That's pretty cool, thanks for posting these pics. I'm trying to force some male flowers on my females, and wasn't sure what to look for.

Doesn't anyone know what the little yellow growth is in the second pic, just below center (on the pic)? Looks like a tiny yellow crab claw... I see these on my plants and nobody can seem to identify them.
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That is the forced hermi bananas they look like a mini pack of real bananas.

These bananas are nute stressed for seed production. I'm looking for a good mother to cross with.

Remember that a male plant grows pollen sacs and a hermi grows bananas, they look totally different. Threw me for a loop back in 2001 when I started learning.

GL

~GG420
 
Green Cross

Green Cross

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DubB83 said:
That is the forced hermi bananas they look like a mini pack of real bananas.

These bananas are nute stressed for seed production. I'm looking for a good mother to cross with.

Remember that a male plant grows pollen sacs and a hermi grows bananas, they look totally different. Threw me for a loop back in 2001 when I started learning.

GL

~GG420
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"nute stressed" interesting. I've been feeding one plant aspirin water for the past 4 weeks, trying to stress it. Nothing yet, but I probably should have started stressing this plant earlier.

If I had planned ahead I would have picked up some colloidal silver, but I've heard all plant will go through enough flowering stress (to push male flowers) if you let them go too long, so I plan to harvest the cola, and lay it on it's side into the next grow, and see if it does finally pop some bananas

Thanks
 
DorianGray

DorianGray

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Green Cross and GG thanks for sharing all your info. I think what happen was this was a true female and was stressed by the heat from the CFL that was next to it. There are no other signs anywhere else on her. If all is true, any seeds that are produced will be femminized?

DG
 
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