Make The Perfect Strain!
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Ganjaglutin
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What sites?
GreenphoeniX
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Me too!!! But I'd bet $10 Million it's not the original G-13. If it actually even exists, I don't see how all these seed banks got crosses of it, yet the original is somehow missing or in a lockdown of some stoner somewhere hahaha. Damn stoner myths.
Ganjaglutin
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If the crosses are real its cuz ONE seedbank got a hold of one seed and crossed it then made clones.
GreenphoeniX
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Well they can't of got hold on ONE seed, coz seeds weren't produced, it was distributed through clones. The original G-13 clones was supposedly stolen by a technician working in the government lab where it was bred. G-13 being the name of the room it was stolen from, the clone was grown on and then cloned again. Seeds of it crossed with strong male plants were distributed, but the original clone plant must of gone somewhere.
If you read up about it, you can see why it's a myth haha
If you read up about it, you can see why it's a myth haha
Dude, I'm not an expert on strains as I haven't been able to experiment with many of the top strains, but this is what I can say with out a doubt that this strain would be real yummy.
White Widow x O.G. Kush x Bubblelicious x Northern Lights x Super Silver Haze x Purps x G-13
Am I missing anything too important??? I'm not even sure if this is possible, but I think it'd be sexy, lulz.
Anyways, no pothead will ever find the perfect strain, it'll end up like that episode in "Weeds" Season Two where they go to this big Cannabis Club looking for a real good strain to start growing and Nancy brings Doug and Andy to test the different strains and of course this is the scenario:
"THIS IS THE BEST STRAIN!!!!"
"No, I take that back, THIS IS THE BEST STRAIN!!"
"Ok, those two other strains, bullshit, this is the best"
This would always happen because we are all potheads who just love weed and I think just being at that club would make me such a happy guy
But yeah, I would just think for bigger yield of a really nice strain just cross anything with Big Bud.
White Widow x Big Bud = Bed Bug??? Just a thought.
White Widow x O.G. Kush x Bubblelicious x Northern Lights x Super Silver Haze x Purps x G-13
Am I missing anything too important??? I'm not even sure if this is possible, but I think it'd be sexy, lulz.
Anyways, no pothead will ever find the perfect strain, it'll end up like that episode in "Weeds" Season Two where they go to this big Cannabis Club looking for a real good strain to start growing and Nancy brings Doug and Andy to test the different strains and of course this is the scenario:
"THIS IS THE BEST STRAIN!!!!"
"No, I take that back, THIS IS THE BEST STRAIN!!"
"Ok, those two other strains, bullshit, this is the best"
This would always happen because we are all potheads who just love weed and I think just being at that club would make me such a happy guy
But yeah, I would just think for bigger yield of a really nice strain just cross anything with Big Bud.
White Widow x Big Bud = Bed Bug??? Just a thought.
s.c.mtn.hillbilly
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workin' on it...the male is a ww purple pheno to boot!white widow x purps?
s.c.mtn.hillbilly
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diesel X brainwreck(ww x trainwreck) would be good. the thing with hybrids though, is that sometimes critical genetics get dumbed down or lost in the soup...think of it like culinary tastes-sweet, sour, salty, bitter,etc. you can emphasize a couple, but too many strong conflicting flavors cancel each other out or worse...look at diesel- mexican bagseed crossed with afghani ?... it doesn't get simpler. crossing supermodels will result in better than average, but for the very best, sometimes you need to throw in a wild card. why isn't brainwreck touted as better than white widow? maybe we hit the threshold of those particular genetics...until some new exotic cross- think opposite sides of the world...malawi-nuska double-spearchucker!
GreenphoeniX
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I don't think people here really understand how breeding actually works. If it were that simple all these 'ultimate' strain would have been made a long time ago.
Also nobodies mentioned creating a stabilized strain, you can't cross strains with out stabilizing them multiple times to ensure you get the desired traits in the final product, the more you throw into the mix, the harder this becomes and the longer it takes.
But then again this thread does seem to be just for fun so eh, have fun!
Also nobodies mentioned creating a stabilized strain, you can't cross strains with out stabilizing them multiple times to ensure you get the desired traits in the final product, the more you throw into the mix, the harder this becomes and the longer it takes.
But then again this thread does seem to be just for fun so eh, have fun!
Ganjaglutin
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I think it was quite obvious that we would stabilize the different breeds to make a complete strain, people just dont want to say,
White Widow x O.G Continuesly Stabalizing x Kush Continuesly Stabalizing x Bubblelicious Continuesly Stabalizing x Northern Lights Continuesly Stabalizing x Super Silver Haze Continuesly Stabalizing x Purps Continuesly Stabalizing x G-13 CONTINUESLY STABALIZING
White Widow x O.G Continuesly Stabalizing x Kush Continuesly Stabalizing x Bubblelicious Continuesly Stabalizing x Northern Lights Continuesly Stabalizing x Super Silver Haze Continuesly Stabalizing x Purps Continuesly Stabalizing x G-13 CONTINUESLY STABALIZING
GreenphoeniX
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You can't continuesly stabilize a strain after its been crossed again ... That makes no sense. And how would you manage the desired traits from that many strains? ... The skunk #1 x white widow x NYC diesel is at least feasible, but even in that mix it would be very easy to lose desired traits. Skunk #1 has pretty dominant genes so i would guess most of its characteristics would be what showed up in the final product, with a couple traits of the others if you know what you're doing... Just saying.
GreenGold
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well as long as your goal isnt to create a stabilized strain than its fine
skunk 1 and NYC diesel share alot of similar traits actually and everyone knows the white widow s potency.
Although interbreeding to create stability is possible you are right,...
eventually you will end up with a low potency large yield Skunk 1 or even a high potency low yield NYC Diesel
or hell, even a high potency high yield white widow
Who really knows???
skunk 1 and NYC diesel share alot of similar traits actually and everyone knows the white widow s potency.
Although interbreeding to create stability is possible you are right,...
eventually you will end up with a low potency large yield Skunk 1 or even a high potency low yield NYC Diesel
or hell, even a high potency high yield white widow
Who really knows???
GreenphoeniX
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Exactly ... That's why it takes so many years just to breed one good strain ... And I guess, also why Nirvana-Shop don't bother stabilizing their strains. I still buy them tho, the value for money is AWESOME and half the fun is searching for those killer phenotypes that pop up every once in awhile.
Ganjaglutin
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How you guys doin! =D
GreenGold
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yes but pure strains such as skunk 1 and haze crossed wouldnt need as much stabilizing right?
I think that the genetics all boil down to what is compatible with each other ie
a dominant indica and a dominant sativa cross wouldn't be stable because the offspring would create phenotypes in the breed
but two stable hybrids breed would create a stable offspring with less phenotypes because less are possible.
Am I high or is this making sense to you too????
GreenphoeniX
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The more 'basic' the strain is the more stable it tends to be ... That's why you often here of, example: haze crossed with Colombian Indica (a strain that was discovered in the wild - not breed by man!)
And you'll get different phenos from crossing a sativa dominant plant with an indica dominant plant, because only one of those dominant genes will show up per seed, some will be sativa, some indica (if they're equally dominant, it will be a 50/50 mix).
However, if you cross a sativa dominant plant with another sativa dominant plant, or a plant that has recessive indica genes, then all its offspring will be sativa dominant too (because the sativa gene is dominant and the indica gene is recessive (or not present at all if its a cross of 100% Sativa x 100% Sativa)
It is about what's compatible with each other, (like GreenGold mentioned) and that is determined by which genes are dominant and which are recessive (i can't remember if that's the right word, but you know what I mean)
Basically if you're working with original strains such as P. Plants or F1 Hybrids, then you're going to have more stable genes, if you're working with F2 hybrids and up (e.g F5) then the more unstable and varied the genetics will be.
And you'll get different phenos from crossing a sativa dominant plant with an indica dominant plant, because only one of those dominant genes will show up per seed, some will be sativa, some indica (if they're equally dominant, it will be a 50/50 mix).
However, if you cross a sativa dominant plant with another sativa dominant plant, or a plant that has recessive indica genes, then all its offspring will be sativa dominant too (because the sativa gene is dominant and the indica gene is recessive (or not present at all if its a cross of 100% Sativa x 100% Sativa)
It is about what's compatible with each other, (like GreenGold mentioned) and that is determined by which genes are dominant and which are recessive (i can't remember if that's the right word, but you know what I mean)
Basically if you're working with original strains such as P. Plants or F1 Hybrids, then you're going to have more stable genes, if you're working with F2 hybrids and up (e.g F5) then the more unstable and varied the genetics will be.
GreenGold
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LOL I know nothing about plant genetics actually but I remember alot of genetics from school.
One thing I remember is that mutations from within stable and unstable genetics occur at about the same rate.
but what mutations have ever occurred in this plant??
Or maybe the genetics we seek are the mutations?
the native wild MJ plant is probably more like hemp than white widow but man has mutated its genetics over thousands of years to suit their needs.
Still high
One thing I remember is that mutations from within stable and unstable genetics occur at about the same rate.
but what mutations have ever occurred in this plant??
Or maybe the genetics we seek are the mutations?
the native wild MJ plant is probably more like hemp than white widow but man has mutated its genetics over thousands of years to suit their needs.
Still high
GreenphoeniX
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Kind of. It's obviously a lot different to white widow, but the more you adapt something the more unstable it becomes. Going back to basics is often the best.
Take apple trees for example ... They have been breed for soo many years to look nicer and taste better to us, that a lot of the original (bad tasting, unappealing) genetics have been completely breed out of existence, now there are viruses, that never used to be a problem, killing off apple trees and severely threatening them, the original apple trees never had a problem with these viruses because they were genetically immune to them, those genes were breed out along the way, and now there are peopel (scientists I guess), literally, searching the world for old fashion apple trees with those base immunity genes to breed back into the new species of apple tree so they'll once again become immune to these viruses, trouble is these trees have been getting breed out of existence for so long, they're extremely hard to find! ... Then there's the companies who just try to invent another chemical to control the problem (which they're having trouble doing!) and those chemicals go into the food we eat (if you eat apples hahaha), big trouble for organic growers tho! ... Wait where was I going with this? Too high...
Anyway,
Hemp has less than 0.3% THC, not many wild strains have such a piddly amount of THC, Hemp is kind of the opposite to good weed as far as breeding goes, hemp is breed to have less THC, the pot we like is breed to have more THC hahaha.