Lumatek Zeus 600 Pro

end_of_the_tunnel

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↑ This - I truly feel at some level led "grow light" companies are intentionally dooping people so they can roll out spectrum one step at a time and keep selling fixtures to the same customers over and over.
The technology is there, yes we see goniophotometers being used but the tech is also there to PROPERLY develop a combination of diodes that gives a true FULL spectrum including Fr/Ir, some UV end nm's, plus a proper spectral blending at distance from fixture.
Hello....Hellooooo....... Where are you led manufacturers that are actually putting in the work?
I think that diy market grow light companies are growing and evolving. They base their product on the call by customers. What they use in product is dictated by what diode manufacturers make available, and what the customers pocket can take.

So whilst companies in the diy/home grow market appear to roll out spectrum, its simply a case of them responding to the call from the customer base, and whatever diode is the latest and most "efficient".
And the customer base is applying spectrum choice based on a mish-mash of cherry- picked data from incomplete scientific papers, and results from online forum influencers. High CRI is the apparent king.

Who is going to produce the one-size-fits-all perfect spectrum? Because cultivar, environment and grower method and application vary.
It would have to be a multi-channel adjustable lamp. That implies complexity.
I would argue that experimenters in this forum who are trying, are still learning what small tuning adjustments have what particular influence.
And when to appropriately apply them. Its still evolving. Open source development is good.

So when you say, "Where are you led manufacturers that are actually putting in the work?"
I would say, look to HLG. Maybe they will develop and give you what you want, once they got their hemp facility up and running.
 

Rocket Soul

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Does this look ok ? Im in England and not too keen on importing thats all.
I think both ISL or diyled will work for you. But id probably think more in terms of desired foot print than in which place to get it from.
England ps generally a cold place more than a hot place, am i right in assuming that your grow is vented with outside air?
In that case you may find that parts of the year wont suit led growing. Id suggest the following: get led lights that have a similar foot print to one of you 315s. Weve been using batwing reflectors over 4' wide aisles and they kinda gives us a 4x2 foot print.
If you get single board or double board led setups you can fairly easily just switch one hid out for a led and thus maintain the right climate for you grow year around.
Drop in lights for a 4x4 (like the lumatek pro) are really cool but what happens when youre to hot for hid but too cold for leds? If you have a srtup which kinda mixes the light from cmh and led this should work fine, but if youre one 4x4 led and another cmh it would be hard getting environment where you want it.
Id also recommend another look at growlights australias highlight boards. Theyre responsible of the best grow ive seen for a long time. Also, in our own comparison we saw a markedly better response under a similar spectrum in comparison to standard 3000k 80cri. But i think theyre outta stock and corona might make restock far away.
 
I would advise anyone looking to purchase a product with the same dimensions as a quantum board that didn't come from HLG to buy another product. Boards are fine, but if the board is the same size as the real HLG product you may have issues in the future regarding warranties.
HLG could get pretty protective if they wanted to and this means any copies of their products will need to cease production.
I fully support HLG protecting their IP. Too many have copied them and claimed the product as their own.
 

OneHitDone

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I would advise anyone looking to purchase a product with the same dimensions as a quantum board that didn't come from HLG to buy another product. Boards are fine, but if the board is the same size as the real HLG product you may have issues in the future regarding warranties.
HLG could get pretty protective if they wanted to and this means any copies of their products will need to cease production.
I fully support HLG protecting their IP. Too many have copied them and claimed the product as their own.
Are you joking? This has to be up there with the stupidest posts of all time on RIU
Are you the one that started the trend of buying up all the TP?

I am as against all these Chinese hacks copying another product just to ride that companies coat tails as anyone could be but to suggest that the dimensions of a pcb is something that is patent enforceable? Give us all a break bro. You are just reaching too far and spreading nonsense.
 

OneHitDone

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I think that diy market grow light companies are growing and evolving. They base their product on the call by customers. What they use in product is dictated by what diode manufacturers make available, and what the customers pocket can take.

So whilst companies in the diy/home grow market appear to roll out spectrum, its simply a case of them responding to the call from the customer base, and whatever diode is the latest and most "efficient".
And the customer base is applying spectrum choice based on a mish-mash of cherry- picked data from incomplete scientific papers, and results from online forum influencers. High CRI is the apparent king.

Who is going to produce the one-size-fits-all perfect spectrum? Because cultivar, environment and grower method and application vary.
It would have to be a multi-channel adjustable lamp. That implies complexity.
I would argue that experimenters in this forum who are trying, are still learning what small tuning adjustments have what particular influence.
And when to appropriately apply them. Its still evolving. Open source development is good.

So when you say, "Where are you led manufacturers that are actually putting in the work?"
I would say, look to HLG. Maybe they will develop and give you what you want, once they got their hemp facility up and running.
Responding to customer demand and saying "ya sure we'll sell you that too" is not putting in development work.
Home growers throwing the rainbow at their gardens is cool and all and each comes up with their own outcomes and conclusions which I too enjoy experimenting with. But, that is in no way developing a product with he right tools to have any measurable consistency of spectral blending or uniformity at the plant canopy.
The tools and labs are out there to do this proper. Populating pcb's with top bin diodes is not the product development I am speaking of :peace:
 

OneHitDone

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but you did support an American scammer and led manufacturer that called the cops on growers...weird.

and all before you insulted a RIU members family photos...

you go, big man.
Your a joke as usual bro.....
Never have I supported a company directly copying the design of another company just to make a sale.
You clowns can say what you will but Cammie actually did put in the work and designed all those products and did the cad work from the ground up. Not just contact some pcb manufacturer and say - hey can you duplicate this HLG board...
Plus, what are you doing quoting me? You supposedly have me on ignore and don't pay any attention to what I say.
Maybe time to go back to your "secret garden" and deal with that nutrient deficiency :peace:
 

Rocket Soul

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They are due very soon as far as im aware.

Controlled outtakes and passive intakes with small oil rads on timers for lights off, is the standard UK home grower setup. Just a case of turning down the extractor if it gets colder.
We have probs in winter getting the room hot enough during lights on but our pcbs run at around 40C in our current room. Its tricky to get the right fixture for your environment.

But then again during summer we have to cope with very high temps.
 

grotbags

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well good start from lumatek...not!.
light arrived on monday, went together easy really impressed with the build quality everything was more substantial than i thought the heatsinks are nice and solid i expected light weight cheaper sinks. the lenses or waterproof coverings look crap they have cast lines in them hard to explain but they dont look the best quality.
the dimmer is shit why they thought it would be a good idea to just have - OFF,25%,50%,75%,100% is beyond me it makes getting an even light spread across the canopy when blending with other leds really hard.
i was going to try a different dimmer on it but never got the chance because today the light didnt turn on!, its dead jim!!!. i presume the driver is dead, tried changing the fuse ect nothing. unhooked the dimmer in case it worked like a meanwell where open dimmer circuit is flat out but no go.
so its back to the shop on monday to see how good lumateks customer service is...:(
 

end_of_the_tunnel

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Hopefully the vendor doesn't dick you around, and ships replacement driver without demanding return of goods first. I can see Lumateks hefty margin shrinking considerably if what happened to your light is a guide to the general reliability. This is an inauspicious start.
 
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