Lucas formula +rep for knowledgeable answers :)

CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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Hello folks.

Went from fox farms to the lucus method recently, and already seeing outstanding results.. So easy.

Im using the micro, and the bloom @ 8-16 Superb!! :)

Anyways,.. Iam reading up on the lucas method and heard that you can either use 8ml per gallon of floranova bloom, or floranova grow from veg to harvest, and be done with mixing the micro and the bloom.

Im confused, Lucas says use the floranova bloom, but others say the supernova grow..

Whats your opinion here..

I just bought the supernova bloom, but kinda unsure. Heard it was some thick ass shit.

Is this the right stuff?

Or should I stay with the cleaner flora series?



Thanks so much :)
 
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llewop211

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The point of the lucas formula is to provide your plant everything that has been biologically proven it needs to grow, without wasting money on boosters and additives that have no real effects. Lucas claims that environmental conditions(mostly light) are what limit a plants growth once it has it's basic nutrients. The GH Flora series that Lucas suggests is just the cheapest system he calculated to give your plants these nutrients. This thread breaks all of them down. HERE So the way I see it is you can use any nutrient flormula that supplies these and call it the Lucas formula, GH is just the cheapest.
 
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llewop211

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Silverback said:
indeed , i am going lucas formula with the Advanced micro and bloom. NPK is the same as GH so i expect good results
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I believe Lucas created his formula based on more than just Nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium values. These are just the three primary nutrients involved.
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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llewop211 said:
The point of the lucas formula is to provide your plant everything that has been biologically proven it needs to grow, without wasting money on boosters and additives that have no real effects. Lucas claims that environmental conditions(mostly light) are what limit a plants growth once it has it's basic nutrients. The GH Flora series that Lucas suggests is just the cheapest system he calculated to give your plants these nutrients. This thread breaks all of them down. HERE So the way I see it is you can use any nutrient flormula that supplies these and call it the Lucas formula, GH is just the cheapest.
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Thank you for the reply.

This is exactly why im going witht he gh nutes, sweet,simple..and it WORKS!

Im not gonna be suckered into all them additives.. not worth it.
 
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llewop211

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homebrewer said:
The GH additives and boosters DO have a real measurable effect on the final product.
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I'm sure people opinions vary greatly on this. I know a ton off people who love to spoil their plants with all kinds off additives and swear by certain brands and formulas. In the end, they claim their big healthy buds are a result of the additives. I personally think it's just cognitive dissonance because of all the extra money they spent. Can you get strong without creatine? The fattest, densest buds I've seen yet have been grown organically, outdoors, and without boosters. Plants are made of carbon, not nutrients. Extra nutrients will not speed up carbon fixation, extra light will.
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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llewop211 said:
Oh and I run 8/16 Flora Series from clone through harvest, why fix what isn't broken
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Hear ya bro.

As mentioned earlier,.. Earlier today, I went down to the hydro store and bought some supernova bloom.

After I got home, I did even more reading..

I guess the stuff is thick as 90 weight gear oil.

I dunno,.. I dont want the sludge again(Fox Farms).

Im gonna take it back tomorrow, and get the flora Micro, and bloom again.

My roots are so damn healthy now, and white again using the classic flora.. like never before.

I wanna keep em like this til harvest.

And thats another reason Im staying with flora.

The supernova sounds ok, but I want ease, and bright roots, and if I wanna beat something up like a paint can shaker, Ill just go to the local bar, and take out my aggressions over there.. Nutes shouldn't be this much of a problem to use...Hahaha!

I like your old saying..

Im sold.

Thanks guys, +rep for all! :)
 

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homebrewer

homebrewer

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llewop211 said:
I'm sure people opinions vary greatly on this. I know a ton off people who love to spoil their plants with all kinds off additives and swear by certain brands and formulas. In the end, they claim their big healthy buds are a result of the additives. I personally think it's just cognitive dissonance because of all the extra money they spent. Can you get strong without creatine? The fattest, densest buds I've seen yet have been grown organically, outdoors, and without boosters. Plants are made of carbon, not nutrients. Extra nutrients will not speed up carbon fixation, extra light will.
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I limped into hydro by just using the GH Flora 3-part series. Without knowing anything, I felt the additives were a scam as they all had 'tongue-in-cheek' kind of names with colorful labels. Slowly I added one additive at a time so I could tell if they actually helped the plants. Sure enough, each round looked better than the last, at which point I ran to the grow store to test another additive. Long story short, I now use the entire GH expert line and the additives absolutely help produce a better product. By no means am I saying you can't get results by only using the 3 part series. But I am saying the product will only improve when additives are used.

Before I added the additives one at a time (florablend, floralicious bloom, floralicious plus, kool bloom liquid and dry, floranectar), I calculated their cost per round. I use a 15 gallon reservoir for 6 plants under a 600 watt. I change my water and nutes each week. Assuming 9 weeks to flower, it costs $70 per round to add all the additives (but costs $271 to buy them all - most are gallon size).

Just my .02. Try the extras, it's worth the extra effort and the minuscule amount of money it costs per round. They pay for themselves.
 
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llewop211

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homebrewer said:
I limped into hydro by just using the GH Flora 3-part series. Without knowing anything, I felt the additives were a scam as they all had 'tongue-in-cheek' kind of names with colorful labels. Slowly I added one additive at a time so I could tell if they actually helped the plants. Sure enough, each round looked better than the last, at which point I ran to the grow store to test another additive. Long story short, I now use the entire GH expert line and the additives absolutely help produce a better product. By no means am I saying you can't get results by only using the 3 part series. But I am saying the product will only improve when additives are used.

Before I added the additives one at a time (florablend, floralicious bloom, floralicious plus, kool bloom liquid and dry, floranectar), I calculated their cost per round. I use a 15 gallon reservoir for 6 plants under a 600 watt. I change my water and nutes each week. Assuming 9 weeks to flower, it costs $70 per round to add all the additives (but costs $271 to buy them all - most are gallon size).

Just my .02. Try the extras, it's worth the extra effort and the minuscule amount of money it costs per round. They pay for themselves.
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Reps to ya, I've always wanted to test additives. I do think a side by side test is necessary to truly determine the worth of a product. I'm sure your plants environment, along with your experience changed from cycle to cycle.
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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homebrewer said:
I limped into hydro by just using the GH Flora 3-part series. Without knowing anything, I felt the additives were a scam as they all had 'tongue-in-cheek' kind of names with colorful labels. Slowly I added one additive at a time so I could tell if they actually helped the plants. Sure enough, each round looked better than the last, at which point I ran to the grow store to test another additive. Long story short, I now use the entire GH expert line and the additives absolutely help produce a better product. By no means am I saying you can't get results by only using the 3 part series. But I am saying the product will only improve when additives are used.

Before I added the additives one at a time (florablend, floralicious bloom, floralicious plus, kool bloom liquid and dry, floranectar), I calculated their cost per round. I use a 15 gallon reservoir for 6 plants under a 600 watt. I change my water and nutes each week. Assuming 9 weeks to flower, it costs $70 per round to add all the additives (but costs $271 to buy them all - most are gallon size).

Just my .02. Try the extras, it's worth the extra effort and the minuscule amount of money it costs per round. They pay for themselves.
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Thanks for your input Homebrewer :)
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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llewop211 said:
Reps to ya, I've always wanted to test additives. I do think a side by side test is necessary to truly determine the worth of a product. I'm sure your plants environment, along with your experience changed from cycle to cycle.
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I already had 8 years experience in dirt before I converted 1/6 of my room into hydro. Hydro has less of a learning curve as the GH nutes are super simple to use. The only thing I needed to dial in is how many times to flood and drain given the 6" cube size. That took 3 weeks to figure out. After I was dialed in, i took a look at the additives. After that first round, I converted a second area in my room to hydro to further test products. I'm stating as fact that the additives are worth their money and produce a better product. Everyone is welcome to take the advice or leave it, but I challenge everyone to try for themselves to see what I'm talking about. Or we can post pics and compare product quality. :-P
 
homebrewer

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Oh, I should add that I tried Botanicare's sweet instead of GH's FloraNectar for a few rounds and preferred the sweet formula's results. So with the exception of that one change, I'm a huge fan of the other GH additives.
 
tea tree

tea tree

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I use the three part with the hardwater micro. I love it with straight tapwater and I just fill my buckets with a hose! Easy. Best growth I ever had. I plan to add kool bloom.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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llewop211 said:
The point of the lucas formula is to provide your plant everything that has been biologically proven it needs to grow, without wasting money on boosters and additives that have no real effects.
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Based on the 16 essential elements, his wonder fuel is far from complete. You tell me what his NPK and micro values are, and I'll show you how this formula was developed by a newb for noobs who don't know squat about plant nutrition.

I want to see your plants just before harvest.

UB
 
CLOSETGROWTH

CLOSETGROWTH

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Uncle Ben said:
Based on the 16 essential elements, his wonder fuel is far from complete. You tell me what his NPK and micro values are, and I'll show you how this formula was developed by a newb for noobs who don't know squat about plant nutrition.

I want to see your plants just before harvest.

UB
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Here's a grow running the Lucas Formula>> http://www.weedbay.net/overgrow-thebook/Hydroponics/Art4.htm

http://www.lucasformula.com/

http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=892

His plants look pretty damn good to me! :)

And he's not marketing like AN :lol:

And Lucas is an old pioneer in the grow scene.

I dont think you know what YOUR talking about, Especially since you never heard of him.

He's one of the most educated growers out there.

A newb? Yea..Ok... Whatever. :roll:

Shows us how knowledgeable you really are.

"Your a legend in your own mind"
 
homebrewer

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I, myself, am hearing of this Lucas formula for the first time on this thread. After reading through Lucasformula.com, this feeding schedule looks like nothing more than an easy way to get by without spending a lot of money on nutes. If that's how it's being sold then I'd agree that his formula will get you by.

I agree with his statement on the site that one shouldn't compensate for a poor environment and bad genetics with additives. But when a system is dialed in, the envoronment is good, and you're working with solid genetics, you can't tell me that you should continue with this amateur hour formula. Come on.
 
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