Low Cost Automated Drain To Waste System For Coir

Choco8

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Hello all! Just got my system up and running and wanted to share some images. It's a low cost automated drain to waste setup for 2 plants growing in 10 gallon containers of coir and perlite. It makes 2 batches a day, 10 gallons each time, using the house's water pressure to fill a tank, followed by nutrient mixing, distribution to the plants, and ending with a pump-out sequence of the waste nutrient

Here's how it works:
1. TANK FILL - TIMER #1 opens a 3/4" stainless steel solenoid valve connected to my cold water line ( 40 psi) for 2 minutes, allowing approximately 10 gallons of fresh but cold 58 degree water in to the nutrient tank ( this amount of water in this time frame was achieved adjusting the flow coming from downstream of the solenoid valve with a second ball valve)
2. AGITATION/AERATION - TIMER #2 turns on a small pump in the bottom of the nutrient tank which circulates the water through a 3/4"PVC tube that runs the length of the tank. This tube has five 1/4" holes drilled at an angle where the dosing lines feed into the circulating water for thorough mixing. An air pump connected to the same timer also powers on to aerate the water before feeding.
3. NUTRIENT DOSING - A five-pump Jebao Aquarium Dosing Pump (DP-5), using the internal dosing program menu on the unit, begins to add the required amounts of nutrients in ten minute intervals.
4. WARMUP - The new nutrient is allowed to come up to a more acceptable temperature before feeding. I've been going with 4 hours which has been bringing it from 58 to 65 or so. I'll have to adjust this for the time of year, depending on how cold the water coming into the tank is. I could use a tank heater of course, but my room has surplus heat that I would just as soon use instead.
5. FEEDING - TIMER #3 powers on a large sump pump in the nutrient tank for 2 minutes, emptying the tank all but for about 3/4". This pump connects to a PVC line on the wall which runs overhead and down to a flexible 3/4" hose, which then tees off into some rigid "drip" rings ( which are more like flood rings - there are four 1/4 holes on each ring) which distributes 5 gallons nutrient to each plant. These are a bit finicky so far, having to be perfectly level to not favor one plant of the other. Perhaps there is some kind of pressure equalization solution for this, but I've usually seen that on smaller orifice type nozzles. I prefer flooding the plant versus gradual dripping.
6. DRAINDOWN - The plants are allowed to drain down into the low profile storage container underneath the tables supporting the plants for an hour before pump-out. These containers have lids and are fairly well sealed to around the hoses going in and out to keep the tanks from adding to the room humidity level or from getting debris in them.
7. WASTE WATER ELIMINATION - TIMER #4 powers on a smaller sump pump in the low profile drainage container for 2 minutes. This pump is routed to a 1/2 pvc line that is routed along the wall and over to a utility sink for disposal.
8. WASTE WATER ELIMINATION - 2ND RUN - TIMER #4 power on the same pump for one minute just in case more waste nutrient has trickled in. Even if the tank is almost dry, this short of a run won't overheat the pump.

That's pretty much the routine, twice a day. Today was the first day with the system running on it's own.
Right now this is a "dumb" system, relying on timers operating in sequence - I'll be adding some overflow protection pumps and float switches, and some kind of flood detection/water shutoff setup, etc. but for now I'm pretty psyched to see it working.
 

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Choco8

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Fuckin awesome man! I’m big into growroom automation and my next project is gonna be automated nutrient mixing. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks frankie! There are so many possibilities using the doser - each feeding can be a different formula if you like. I'm thinking of trying a "two-shot" system where the waste water from the first feeding is re-diluted with more fresh water, and then run through a second time before being disposed of.
I don't worry about ph too much, as I've been using the same formula for years and know that the nutrients I use combined with my well water balance out just right with no ph up or down- if I was recirculating it, that would be a different story
 

gr865

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Thanks frankie! There are so many possibilities using the doser - each feeding can be a different formula if you like. I'm thinking of trying a "two-shot" system where the waste water from the first feeding is re-diluted with more fresh water, and then run through a second time before being disposed of.
I don't worry about ph too much, as I've been using the same formula for years and know that the nutrients I use combined with my well water balance out just right with no ph up or down- if I was recirculating it, that would be a different story
I would not try to reuse any waste water, tried many years ago. Desaster!
 

Chopshop697

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That sounds like exactly what I was doing. I used these paristaltic pumps to feed a nutrient concentration into the 1/4" holes in the PVC fill pipe during tank fill. ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dosing-Pump-Peristaltic-Pump-12V-DC-Liquid-Water-pump-Fish-Tank-Dosing/353153163498 ) I wanted to make a metered auger system to deliver dry nutes (Mega-crop) to the tank during fill as well, but never got around to it. Checking out some 3D printed designs to play around with like this: https://www.youmagine.com/designs/auger-powder-dispenser-for-colorpod or this: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3709228 and I'll see what I can work up.
 

Choco8

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That sounds like exactly what I was doing. I used these paristaltic pumps to feed a nutrient concentration into the 1/4" holes in the PVC fill pipe during tank fill. ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dosing-Pump-Peristaltic-Pump-12V-DC-Liquid-Water-pump-Fish-Tank-Dosing/353153163498 ) I wanted to make a metered auger system to deliver dry nutes (Mega-crop) to the tank during fill as well, but never got around to it. Checking out some 3D printed designs to play around with like this: https://www.youmagine.com/designs/auger-powder-dispenser-for-colorpod or this: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3709228 and I'll see what I can work up.
Cool beans! I was wondering about the same thing - a metered powder dispenser. That would be very cool.
 

Choco8

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Hahaha that's nuts, fuckin awesome! Ingenuity of weed heads eh
Does it work though?
It's been working amazingly well ( see last image) since I started this thread almost two weeks ago. All I do now is top off the 2 liter nutrient tanks every 5 days or so, and rinse out the nutrient tank and drain tanks once a week. The nutrient batches have been going in with perfect ph, PPM, and temp. I hand water once a week just to flood them in good shape. I'd be happy to share more details on the different components if you're interested - it's really not that complicated at all if you break it down into the separate events you are trying to automate.
 

Choco8

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Looking good with about 3 weeks to go. No issues at all. The aquarium doser is working very well. This space yielded 2 kg last round. Lemon Pie Automated.jpg
 

Chopshop697

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That's the one cool thing about automation - if you have it dialed in, you can leave on a week vacation and not worry (too much!)
This is such an awesome setup! Someday I'll be able to get back into it, but in the meantime, I'll keep working on some open-source automation for the gang on RIU. Raspberry Pis and some other microcontrollers have really come down in price, so combine that with a relay board and a decent interface, and we're able to put all those timers in one tiny box. Stay tuned!
 

Choco8

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That's the one cool thing about automation - if you have it dialed in, you can leave on a week vacation and not worry (too much!)
This is such an awesome setup! Someday I'll be able to get back into it, but in the meantime, I'll keep working on some open-source automation for the gang on RIU. Raspberry Pis and some other microcontrollers have really come down in price, so combine that with a relay board and a decent interface, and we're able to put all those timers in one tiny box. Stay tuned!
Sounds great. I had started putting together some stuff using Home Assistant, but needed to have this up and running ASAP so I can get away from my house for longer periods of time. Look forward to seeing what you come up with!
 

Chopshop697

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I used them for pH up and down with no ill effect (that I could tell.) It's a bit of a crap shoot with the cheap pumps, but generally, they seem to use silicone based tubing with teflon tips.
 
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