Looking for a designated grower under ACMPR

cheeseofchud said:

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if you use oil for cancer, anything less than 15 g a day won't cover it.
if you filter it down you can get about 30 G of good quality oil. you take 1 g a day. there's a pound per month easily and you haven't smoked/vaped anything.
you can get more from the oil but i think filtering out more crap is always a good idea.

bigmanc said:

Yeah rates are fine id say. Its a nice way of breaking it down and turning an income out of it. If you dont mind how are you taking care of banking and taxes? i take it the patient gets invoiced and signs off on delivery then you get your salary?

good model to go off of.

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PM'ed you

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doingdishes said:

if you use oil for cancer, anything less than 15 g a day won't cover it.
if you filter it down you can get about 30 G of good quality oil. you take 1 g a day. there's a pound per month easily and you haven't smoked/vaped anything.
you can get more from the oil but i think filtering out more crap is always a good idea.

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5 grams of flower is approx 1 gram of oil. That's 750-1000 mg of meds per every 5 grams of flower. 1000mg of pure cannabis is quite a lot per day no? Depending if it decarbed or not 1000mg will most likely f u up for the day. 30gpd is potentially 6000mg per day, that's way more than the recommended dose.
http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/dosage.html

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itsmehigh said:

5 grams of flower is approx 1 gram of oil. That's 750-1000 mg of meds per every 5 grams of flower. 1000mg of pure cannabis is quite a lot per day no? Depending if it decarbed or not 1000mg will most likely f u up for the day. 30gpd is potentially 6000mg per day, that's way more than the recommended dose.
http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/dosage.html

Itsme.

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I'm going from experience and not what is written.
5 g of flower is a gram of oil?? either I'm making it wrong because i get 30 or g of great oil from a LB after it's filtered.
by that math a 454 g LB of dried cannabis would yield over 90 g of oil.
i have never gotten that. even Rick Simpsons method only gets about 60-70.
how do you make it?

doingdishes said:

I'm going from experience and not what is written.
5 g of flower is a gram of oil?? either I'm making it wrong because i get 30 or g of great oil from a LB after it's filtered.
by that math a 454 g LB of dried cannabis would yield over 90 g of oil.
i have never gotten that. even Rick Simpsons method only gets about 60-70.
how do you make it?

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I Ike to use dry sift or bubble for my oil. Typically 150g of flowers will yield around an oz of winterized oil, and yes 1lbs of flower usually is a 90 day RSO treatment @ 1gpd. Does Rick use flower or trim? When I used butane I got higher yields. I have also used iso, hexane, and ethanol. IMHO, ethanol is the best choice of solvent. Tried some co2 extraction while in the states on the weekend, wasn't impressed. Especially when it was labled at 95%thc for a vape pen.

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gb123 said:

NO! but then again...how the f would you know anyway????
. DO you have cancer? and have you treated it yourself personally?


and No...... I don't give a rats ass how many people you say YOU HELPED grow pot for....


so get off your horse and stfu about who needs what and how much!!!



1000 mgs a day wont cut it!!

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Listen here son, never said I was an expert on dosage. I'm asking questions here, trying to learn. Something you should try. Your right I don't have cancer I don't know what a proper dosage is. But you can bet your arse that I helped treat people. I will pipe up about growing an such cause I know how much cannabis can be grown. You always seem to pipe up and shit on people for not being as "educated" as you, but never tell us anything. What's a proper dosage then? If 1000mg a day "won't cut it" ,and why is your way the only right way. Seems to me that nobody knows the propor dosages or how to make oil but you. Please link us to your source, so we can all learn, oh wise 1......

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doingdishes said:

I'm going from experience and not what is written.
5 g of flower is a gram of oil?? either I'm making it wrong because i get 30 or g of great oil from a LB after it's filtered.
by that math a 454 g LB of dried cannabis would yield over 90 g of oil.
i have never gotten that. even Rick Simpsons method only gets about 60-70.
how do you make it?

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Your probably getting 16oz lbs. I haven't wondered off into anything complicated more so just bubble and rosin. Id like to try the more concentrated.

itsmehigh said:

5 grams of flower is approx 1 gram of oil. That's 750-1000 mg of meds per every 5 grams of flower. 1000mg of pure cannabis is quite a lot per day no? Depending if it decarbed or not 1000mg will most likely f u up for the day. 30gpd is potentially 6000mg per day, that's way more than the recommended dose.
http://www.cureyourowncancer.org/dosage.html

Itsme.

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Didn't you previously state that you had 2 clients with 60gpd scripts and one with 40gpd? So how is 30gpd way more than recommended but the dosages for your clients aren't? Also, how are patients affording $15 a plant per month at 200+ plants? Thats over 3K a month.

CalyxCrusher said:

Didn't you previously state that you had 2 clients with 60gpd scripts and one with 40gpd? So how is 30gpd way more than recommended but the dosages for your clients aren't? Also, how are patients affording $15 a plant per month at 200+ plants? Thats over 3K a month.

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Only explanation is I'm a hypocrite....lol.

I'm not their doctor I didn't perscribe them or advise them on how or what to do with their cannabis. Im simply there to advise them on growing. It's none of my business what they do with their meds. I'm arguing the fact that nobody needs 60gpd, my client or not. That's why I charge for patients and non patients and even charge LP's different. My last client was stuck on growing his entire 195 plants, I convinced him to only grow 100, he yielded 3lbs off 1500w of led his first time growing. He was very surprised that half his script could yield 1lbs a month. That's 3000mg a day, more than twice what he actually needs or uses, on half his script. I make it very clear to my client that any money I receive is for my services and not for the cannabis itself. My only job is to help them grow their script. Period. As of right now I not growing for anybody, but I will give them the option to hire me to come to their garden and cultivate for them. It's their choice, nobodies forcing them to hire me. we will see if $15/plant is feasible, I'm still learning and figuring things out. So far people have been quite receptive to my fee's.

Should I turn away people that I suspect are selling their extra? What about true patients that need the money their extras bring in?
Where do I draw the line? I'm only interested in growing, I'm not too concerned what happens to the finished crops. In the Mmar I turned a 200 plant script into 75lbs a month, is that worth $3k to pay for unlimited meds? I guess I wrecked the Mmar being too good of a grower.....

Itsme.

itsmehigh said:

I Ike to use dry sift or bubble for my oil. Typically 150g of flowers will yield around an oz of winterized oil, and yes 1lbs of flower usually is a 90 day RSO treatment @ 1gpd. Does Rick use flower or trim? When I used butane I got higher yields. I have also used iso, hexane, and ethanol. IMHO, ethanol is the best choice of solvent. Tried some co2 extraction while in the states on the weekend, wasn't impressed. Especially when it was labled at 95%thc for a vape pen.

Itsme.

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i use bud when i can and iso. the most I have ever gotten back before filtering was a bit over 70 and it was really good bud.
way to go if you get that kind of yeild

have had reg outdoor bud get up to 80 grams of thick thick oil from a P.... cheap as fuck too!!!

MEDS ARE MEDS after all.....

@itsmehigh I cant be bothered talking about shit 24/7 365 if it wont help anyone outright.
I give the ones who are sick info...it's all anyone can do. No One Likes Being told after all!!
and thats part of the reason why I dont go on about whats what...unless someone needs that and Ill help more through messages. If I can that is...

I saw a video last night on facebook where he spoke about a recent sit down meeting with john conroy for his opinion of the new system. One of the things Jason mentioned was that doctors are now being contacted by H/C and are being advised that the normal standard being between 5-10 grams a day.

Those of you who hold MMAR permits may have cause for worry when trying to change into the new program and are then advised by the prescribing doctor that you can't have your 20 grams a day but you can have say 5 or 10gpd. How does that sit with you?

I myself phoned around Canada asking prescription clinics and was told the same thing so I can verify that what Jason is saying about Doctors now; being advised about what H/C considers as the norm.

If you are worried about your script being reduced, you can stay in the MMAR so long as no changes are needed such as change of address etc. You're injunction keeps you going indefinitely and possibly that may mean grandfathered til you die? Or Health Canada may advise that they're ready to take in all the MMAR holders and that we should now start sending in applications in masse.

I have found two clinics so far that won't reduce MMAR amounts I am told. They are Do No Harm and is MRCRI? I keep typing the letters incorrectly so do a double check somewhere else.

I have the forms here for Do no Harm if you are interested in checking them out. I'm not accepting what these gatekeepers are doing. Also out of curiosity I would like to know from anyone here if nurse practitioners are allowed to prescribe cannabis? They should be!


you were saying gb......

gb123 said:

have had reg outdoor bud get up to 80 grams of thick thick oil from a P.... cheap as fuck too!!!

MEDS ARE MEDS after all.....

@itsmehigh I cant be bothered talking about shit 24/7 365 if it wont help anyone outright.
I give the ones who are sick info...it's all anyone can do. No One Likes Being told after all!!
and thats part of the reason why I dont go on about whats what...unless someone needs that and Ill help more through messages. If I can that is...

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Seriously dude? That's all you do is talk shit. So you consider yourself the gate keeping of this great secret? Why not share your secret with the rest of us? I consider myself to be well educated in cannabis, regarding your 1000mg/day as not cutting it. Tell me what cuts it, and how you determined that such a high dose is required. If you have the key to success share it. But by all my research there is no mention of such high treatments. In fact there are multiple studies of micro dossing having the same affects as massive doses. Please link your source. Knowlege is power.

Itsme.

HC has no authority to tell doctors how much to prescribe...no no no....the average in this country not two years ago was 17.5g/d....so all the new "clients" signing up are accepting lower limits. Well wtf is going to happen a year from now when that 3g/d or 5g or 10g isn't cutting it anymore. Is HC going to say those people can't be treated....fuck that noise...

cheeseofchud said:

I saw a video last night on facebook where he spoke about a recent sit down meeting with john conroy for his opinion of the new system. One of the things Jason mentioned was that doctors are now being contacted by H/C and are being advised that the normal standard being between 5-10 grams a day.

Those of you who hold MMAR permits may have cause for worry when trying to change into the new program and are then advised by the prescribing doctor that you can't have your 20 grams a day but you can have say 5 or 10gpd. How does that sit with you?

I myself phoned around Canada asking prescription clinics and was told the same thing so I can verify that what Jason is saying about Doctors now; being advised about what H/C considers as the norm.

If you are worried about your script being reduced, you can stay in the MMAR so long as no changes are needed such as change of address etc. You're injunction keeps you going indefinitely and possibly that may mean grandfathered til you die? Or Health Canada may advise that they're ready to take in all the MMAR holders and that we should now start sending in applications in masse.

I have found two clinics so far that won't reduce MMAR amounts I am told. They are Do No Harm and is MRCRI? I keep typing the letters incorrectly so do a double check somewhere else.

I have the forms here for Do no Harm if you are interested in checking them out. I'm not accepting what these gatekeepers are doing. Also out of curiosity I would like to know from anyone here if nurse practitioners are allowed to prescribe cannabis? They should be!


you were saying gb......

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Jason wilcox? Hahahahaha, still not buying it. They cant tell Doctors how to treat their patients with other means. So how is something less harmful gonna be a problem? The doctors have always had a say, not HC. HC has no authority on script dosages of ANY medication, that has always been up to the Doctors discretion. HC can fake recommend all they want, cuz they aren't. And IF they did, it has ZERO bearing on how a Doctor feels he/she should treat THEIR patient.

Recommending something is far from stating it and making it actual guidelines to abide by

Until there is supported, definitive proof that canabis heals/cures nothing will change. Right now most research is anecdotal. Until research is validated and quantified Health Canada will not endorse it, and neither will doctors. Medicine is based on science, until cannabis is studied and tested on humans Health Canad's position will not change. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is. Government.

Itsme.

There lyes the problem. The gov states there is no medical evidence but does not study or allow studies on cannabis. I have heard from a few university profs doctors that it is terribly hard to have a medical study done on cannabis due to our money grubbing gov labelling a schedule 1 narcotic. So basically we have no medical evidence due to gov. Yet the gov wants us to support our medical claims of cannabis by doctors/university studies etc but the gov won't allow them to study it..

call health canada,its the fucking federal gov't,they can do whatever they want....

CalyxCrusher said:

Jason wilcox? Hahahahaha, still not buying it. They cant tell Doctors how to treat their patients with other means. So how is something less harmful gonna be a problem? The doctors have always had a say, not HC. HC has no authority on script dosages of ANY medication, that has always been up to the Doctors discretion. HC can fake recommend all they want, cuz they aren't. And IF they did, it has ZERO bearing on how a Doctor feels he/she should treat THEIR patient.

Recommending something is far from stating it and making it actual guidelines to abide by

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are you slow?

itsmehigh said:

Seriously dude? That's all you do is talk shit. So you consider yourself the gate keeping of this great secret? Why not share your secret with the rest of us? I consider myself to be well educated in cannabis, regarding your 1000mg/day as not cutting it. Tell me what cuts it, and how you determined that such a high dose is required. If you have the key to success share it. But by all my research there is no mention of such high treatments. In fact there are multiple studies of micro dossing having the same affects as massive doses. Please link your source. Knowlege is power.

Itsme.

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well said!
someone has some brains