Lockout or deficiency?

cindywhite

cindywhite

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I have an unknown strain growing in a 65 gallon smart pot in my backyard. It is growing in royal gold. I use mostly organic top amendments, but since I entered flower I started using advanced bloom a and b, bud candy, and some others. I am using them at 25% and I have only fed them twice with the advanced. So a lockout seems unlikely because I am using only water in between advanced feedings to try and avoid a build up. I thought it was maybe just cal mag so I gave it 4 gallons of water this morning with cal mag plus with the added nitrogen because I felt like my leaves were yellowing too early. When I got back from work the assumed deficiency had only gottem worse. This is when I thought it may be a lock out. It also looks like a potassium def as well. Should I go harder with the advanced next watering around or continue "flushing". I'm almost certain it's a deficiency in which case I would go harder with the advanced. I don't have the time to wait for dry amendments to work their magic. It's a little too late I think. It's taking over the plant quickly.
 

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cindywhite

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Dynamo626 said:
Spider mites
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I disagree as I have been checking under a 60-120x scope and have been good with my sprays. It's a leaf here and there. Not an obvious infestation. I hope you're wrong, and as far as I can tell you are. I will do a further inspection in the morning. It would be foolish not to.
 
Dynamo626

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Hard to see crap under a hand held scope. Check under side of leaves for black specks they will move if you brush them with a finger nail.
 
Buba Blend

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cindywhite said:
I have an unknown strain growing in a 65 gallon smart pot in my backyard. It is growing in royal gold. I use mostly organic top amendments, but since I entered flower I started using advanced bloom a and b, bud candy, and some others. I am using them at 25% and I have only fed them twice with the advanced. So a lockout seems unlikely because I am using only water in between advanced feedings to try and avoid a build up. I thought it was maybe just cal mag so I gave it 4 gallons of water this morning with cal mag plus with the added nitrogen because I felt like my leaves were yellowing too early. When I got back from work the assumed deficiency had only gottem worse. This is when I thought it may be a lock out. It also looks like a potassium def as well. Should I go harder with the advanced next watering around or continue "flushing". I'm almost certain it's a deficiency in which case I would go harder with the advanced. I don't have the time to wait for dry amendments to work their magic. It's a little too late I think. It's taking over the plant quickly.
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I think I see the mite damage also. Dynamo626 has a good eye, likely you have mites.
You may also have a lockout.
Q: You watered with 4 gallons. How many days will pass before you water again? (estimate)
It would help if you took pictures of the whole plant and more of the damaged areas.
 
cindywhite

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Buba Blend said:
I think I see the mite damage also. Dynamo626 has a good eye, likely you have mites.
You may also have a lockout.
Q: You watered with 4 gallons. How many days will pass before you water again? (estimate)
It would help if you took pictures of the whole plant and more of the damaged areas.
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I consider a 4-5 gallon a pretty heavy water so I would so that every 4 days. When it's very hot like it is now I'll sprinkle a little on top to cool it down. The advanced is being applied every 10 to 14 days. But like I said ice only applied advanced twice during the whole grow at 25%.
 
chemphlegm

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thats alot of feelings going in to your plant. things like cool it down, you like to do, thought it was calmag, added N because you felt your leaves were yellow, none of which are working out. Go back to water only until this plant recovers. I grow with org ferts only and see not one day's difference in finish time in flower. dont buy the hype, your error was guessing and feeling that more was going to be better. If it was a lockout that would report as a deficiency. why would your plant be suddenly deficient for adding nutrients right? it isnt, its over fed likely, for starters. If its locked out adding more of anything will not help. ph your water only and water only when the bottom of the container is drying.
I think you would have better results had you continued your organic trek. good luck, still can btw
 
cindywhite

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chemphlegm said:
thats alot of feelings going in to your plant. things like cool it down, you like to do, thought it was calmag, added N because you felt your leaves were yellow, none of which are working out. Go back to water only until this plant recovers. I grow with org ferts only and see not one day's difference in finish time in flower. dont buy the hype, your error was guessing and feeling that more was going to be better. If it was a lockout that would report as a deficiency. why would your plant be suddenly deficient for adding nutrients right? it isnt, its over fed likely, for starters. If its locked out adding more of anything will not help. ph your water only and water only when the bottom of the container is drying.
I think you would have better results had you continued your organic trek. good luck, still can btw
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I'm not sure if the cal mag has had the time to work. It's been right at 24 hours. I was thinking deficiency because I am using way less advanced than recommended and skipping feedings in between watering. I see where you're coming from. I hate the bottles and I'm only using them to not be so wasteful because I have so much. This is the last time I will be doing this. Organic on every grow from here on out. The bottles always fuck me.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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my plants show some yellowing leaves as they transition in flower. all of my garden does the same as their season is ending too, trees, cabbages, cukes even
 
Dynamo626

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still think bug damage maby not mites but something is chewen on the leaves. i have never watered a 45 gal pot so have no ides if 5 gal is to much. as long as your only doing that when she is dry. im sure in a 45 gal smart pot it may take that much before you see runoff.
 
chemphlegm

chemphlegm

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4 gallons of water in a dry 65 gallon container barely wets the surface.
you need to water with about 16 gallons of water and only when the bottom of the container is dry, before plants wilt.
small waterings dont go to the depth where roots are trying to digest the breakdown of organic substances, and without water there ...nothing is broke down. with too much water it goes anaerobic and kills off root systems/beneficial orgs too.,
 
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