Lighting 10x10 room

Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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JimmyIndica said:
What is $6000 to$12000 when your thinking of providing the best for your plants for a 10ft x 10ft op?
I would pay $20000 if I had to.
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Yep yep

The 6000 figure is more like it. If 4x1000s is the benchmark you could buy 4 bmls at growers house for 2200 ish a piece 15% of that this week. I'm not sure where you would spend 12k on that much light maybe plasma lol.
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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Stephenj37826 said:
Bro I can't do pic for pic I'm not in CA. Just letting you know that truths the truth bro. Photons count and three math and figures I posted above are science. Not bullshit just science. Let's just say there is a sun type supplier that wants to be my distributor. I'm not really interested to be honest but I have alot of sphere data at my disposal. Most hid reflectors are 70% efficient. So most 1000 mogul setups get under 1200 PPF to the canopy. There are plenty of bud pics under cobs here. GGs pics also reastyles. Capitan Morgan as well. So there dick making contest isn't necessary. I do have pics of my very days. Not real smart to start an led company and break the law at the same time lol. Like I said heavy t is trusted he won't lie about it so check out the weekly progress report.
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You are going to do pic for pic. So it can help the op out. It's not a dick measuring contest. Simply side by sides, so the op can see. He's probably going to pick your style of things, because your the best. I'm the worst.
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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a mongo frog said:
If one has the up front money, then yes of course. But not everyone has the to invest 12 grand or even 7 grand for that matter. Is the only reason why I mentioned hps might be the best way to light that up, but then your boy teed off on me like I'm some sort of ass hole. All am doing is trying to help the thread. If I am wrong, I am totally ok with that. I was just trying to do my part.
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That's cool and maybe I took it the wrong way but the whole "and you know it" part seemed kinda snark. My bad if I took you wrong.
 
JimmyIndica

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Stephenj37826 said:
Yep yep

The 6000 figure is more like it. If 4x1000s is the benchmark you could buy 4 bmls at growers house for 2200 ish a piece 15% of that this week. I'm not sure where you would spend 12k on that much light maybe plasma lol.
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If your using top bin CXB3590s(36ofem)? $2200 just to getem to the shop.
I would buy Zelions before BMLs if mono,but to me? That's going backwords
I wouldn't consider plasma but to veg and that's not happening.so no plasma for me.
 
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anzohaze

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Is the grower a Newb yes get mh/hps cheaper and will see if he continually wants to grow. Experienced growers will get good yields but beginners might get lucky for first run or so then fall off with shit for a few runs until they learn to actually learn to read a plant. Get a mh/hps grow a plant or 2 and then blow out a room. Don't just blow out a room with no experience. It will be a big waste as you spent a thousand getting started to turn around and give up after a fee runs
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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a mongo frog said:
You are going to do pic for pic. So it can help the op out. It's not a dick measuring contest. Simply side by sides, so the op can see. He's probably going to pick your style of things, because your the best. I'm the worst.
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You're not the worst. If the op is on a budget 4 eBay 1000s and a fan setup may be his best bet. I'm not saying that. I was complaining about how you came off when everyone else was just giving thier opinions. See above quote. If that's not snark to you then I apologise. If it is then I was just defending facts not playing either side. I told the truth even to the point of who Lights up a 10x10 without an isle? 4 1000s would be a little short on 100 sq ft honestly.
 
JimmyIndica

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anzohaze said:
Is the grower a Newb yes get mh/hps cheaper and will see if he continually wants to grow. Experienced growers will get good yields but beginners might get lucky for first run or so then fall off with shit for a few runs until they learn to actually learn to read a plant. Get a mh/hps grow a plant or 2 and then blow out a room. Don't just blow out a room with no experience. It will be a big waste as you spent a thousand getting started to turn around and give up after a fee runs
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I agree that a newer to mid exp grower cut his teeth somewhere little cheaper like hps
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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JimmyIndica said:
I agree that a newer to mid exp grower cut his teeth somewhere little cheaper like hps
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This is true as long as he can get his environment right. I have several people in the industry that thinks along the lines I do. Most people can take advise when it comes to genetics nutes and amount of light and even training styles. The biggest thing new growers have trouble with is environment. They usually have high temps. So to me yes I won't recommend to spend that kind of money if you aren't sure your going to stay in it but the new grower will have an easier time managing his environment with an efficient cob led setup. Listen to heavy t's last show he even talks about how growers will have the best light media nutes and so on and be running in the 90s temp wise. It's just fact.
 
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JimmyIndica

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Stephenj37826 said:
This is true as long as he can get his environment right. I have several people in the industry that thinks along the lines I do. Most people can take advise when it comes to genetics nutes and amount of light and even training styles. The biggest thing new growers have trouble with is environment. They usually have high temps. So to me yes I won't recommend to spend that kind of money if you aren't sure your going to stay in it but the new grower will have an easier time to managing good environment with an efficient cob led setup. Listen to heavy t's last show he even talks about how growers will have the best light media nutes and so on and be running in the 90s temp wise. It's just fact.
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Agree 1st thing I think of when starting something new? Intake/Exhaust and I always go MaxFan/Phresh:bigjoint: I can basically control temps from the 3 speed. Hot days its on 3 and colder days on 1 and a heater set for nights.
Nutes these days IMO are pretty self explaining? If you can read a feed schedule from given company? your good
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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JimmyIndica said:
Agree 1st thing I think of when starting something new? Intake/Exhaust and I always go MaxFan/Phresh:bigjoint: I can basically control temps from the 3 speed. Hot days its on 3 and colder days on 1 and a heater set for nights.
Nutes these days IMO are pretty self explaining? If you can read a feed schedule from given company? your good
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To op if you haven't decided on nutes best first run I ever had was new mellinium nutrients. Awesome products.
 
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anzohaze

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I starred with GH but now that's monsato so a really easy nutrient is Jacks 10-10-10 as its a lil bit in water and done. You don't need marinuana nutes as its all hype and bullshit. Go to a garden center and get a good balanced npk rating and make sure it has micros in it and use it
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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JimmyIndica said:
Only Nutes Ive ever used was FoxFarm products outdoor and Botanicare PureBlend Pro Indoor
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I started with roots organics quickly moved to heavy 16. Stayed there for a while and decided to give New Mellinium a run. It's a really clean line. Every bottle smells like you could drink it. Like I said best first run for me in my limited experience with nutes.
 
Michael Huntherz

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As usual, instant shit-storm, but you all handled yourselves pretty decently. Poor OP's head must be spinning. I know if I was new to the game (which wasn't long ago) and this was the response I got, I'd be initially overwhelmed.

The best advice I've seen is "give us more information." and if you're new, go a bit slower than jumping into 10x10 right away.
All other answers begin with "it depends" because it totally depends.
If you have initial funding I'd still go with HPS if you're in a hurry to get rolling, and COB if you're not. Source a good COB panel design first, if you go that route. Design your room down to the toenails with some good CAD software before you buy shit, especially if you're using someone else's money to get rolling. OP, we need data!
 
Stephenj37826

Stephenj37826

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JimmyIndica said:
If your using top bin CXB3590s(36ofem)? $2200 just to getem to the shop.
I would buy Zelions before BMLs if mono,but to me? That's going backwords
I wouldn't consider plasma but to veg and that's not happening.so no plasma for me.
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The plasma was a joke and I was just saying there are plenty of options for under 8000. Honestly there are alot of options for 6000 or less as well.
 
OneHitDone

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nk14zp said:
If you go HID i would run 600s. 10 600s are more efficient than 6 1000s.
Surprised no one suggested ceramic halide or what ever they are called.
But I recommend HID.
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How is 6000 watts more efficient than 4000 watts?
A 1000 hps and a 600 hps are within 1000 lumens on lumen/watt efficiency.
The cost and upkeep on just 4 fixtures is clearly the better way to go
 
Rahz

Rahz

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I've read some people claiming better yield with 600s. One account of 3 600s in a 8x4 pulling 1.5 GPW on a flood table.

Anyway, how bout 3000w of HID and 1000w of LED. Cheaper startup and results to guide the future.
 
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