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Superlevs

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I am a newbie to hydro. Please aid me. I am considering i have taken on something too ambitious even though its simple to most.

I am growing Taiga by Dutch Passion and Phatt Fruity by Barneys Farm.

I am using an NFT system that i have built myself.

I am growing out of rockwool and i am keeping the ec value (inc water value) at 1.1.

Ph was at 7.0, but i have only recenlty adjusted (it keeps going up!) to 5.8. I set it at 5.8-6.0 and it always goes up because of the rockwool. So annoying. :wall:

Light is air cooled 250 watt HPS.

As my space is small, temps do rise to about 28 degrees. I am hoping this the limit and wont be detrimental.

I am growing two taigas and three phatt fruits in a 20 litre tank. I intend on keeping them small to fit this space. I hope this is possible.

I append pictures of some generally unhealthy plants. It is sad but i know they can come back. The roots are fine.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.:sad:
 

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Superlevs

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It what respect does it need sorting geez. I do realise that it seems a small space, however the height can be expanded when required. I have grown well in this space before despite the small space. The air cooled light helps keeps the temperature down. Is there something fundamentally wrong?
 

ROBINBANKS

New Member
It what respect does it need sorting geez. I do realise that it seems a small space, however the height can be expanded when required. I have grown well in this space before despite the small space. The air cooled light helps keeps the temperature down. Is there something fundamentally wrong?
Am not understanding this bit.
It what respect does it need sorting geez.

SORRY TO BE HONEST DUDE, but we can help you if you want help..
 

moash

New Member
I am a newbie to hydro. Please aid me. I am considering i have taken on something too ambitious even though its simple to most.

I am growing Taiga by Dutch Passion and Phatt Fruity by Barneys Farm.

I am using an NFT system that i have built myself.

I am growing out of rockwool and i am keeping the ec value (inc water value) at 1.1.

Ph was at 7.0, but i have only recenlty adjusted (it keeps going up!) to 5.8. I set it at 5.8-6.0 and it always goes up because of the rockwool. So annoying. :wall:

Light is air cooled 250 watt HPS.

As my space is small, temps do rise to about 28 degrees. I am hoping this the limit and wont be detrimental.

I am growing two taigas and three phatt fruits in a 20 litre tank. I intend on keeping them small to fit this space. I hope this is possible.

I append pictures of some generally unhealthy plants. It is sad but i know they can come back. The roots are fine.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.:sad:
looks like they need nitrogen
and maybe look into hydroton as a medium to solve ur ph prob
 

ROBINBANKS

New Member
you need to start with some kind of board that will cover your rockwool, or plastic, put holes in it and bring your plants through the holes, that then protects your rockwool and would prevent any future disease / bacteria, you also have to do a better job with those walls man heat spots must be building up all over the place in that area, and your plants are sick, if i was you id be making the best of a bad situation and would be trying to get them into some fresh water to give them a break, or better still getting them out and into some soil pots for this grow while you fix that area for your next hydro grow, am sure you can get the plants into another dark area at lights off, to let you sort the place out, sorry to be blunt dude ok, and no offence on this but your grow area is your engine room, and when thats fecked the plants are fecked aswell, a grow area says alot. and for any critics, its IMO.
 

Superlevs

Member
I can fix all of those things you have mentioned. I dont think they are the problem. I have grown well in this space before. Ice an Taiga and have pictures to prove it. Only grow was a partial failure, but was due to overfert. Thats mylar on the walls - didnt think it created heat spots. Shall i remove it?

The rockwool is covered, but will adopt a plastic covering for you. I cant see how that would make a big diff tho? Apart from that - what is the problem? That would not be causing the nitogen def that they clearly have. They are not transplantable. They have rooted the mat.

So far you have said the walls and the covering to the rockwool is the only issue? Are you sure?
 

BeefSupreme

Active Member
Your PPM is way to high, its at 700. You want it down to around 100ppm (0.14EC) for your smaller ones, and around 200(0.29EC) for your bigger one, so keep it between the two.
 

ROBINBANKS

New Member
Your mylar is fine just needs sorted out a little to save heat build up, if you cant move your plants dude i would start with a flush for a week or so to clean them out, maybe get some epsom salts and just foiler feed them with that for now to they get back to some health.
 

moash

New Member
I can fix all of those things you have mentioned. I dont think they are the problem. I have grown well in this space before. Ice an Taiga and have pictures to prove it. Only grow was a partial failure, but was due to overfert. Thats mylar on the walls - didnt think it created heat spots. Shall i remove it?

The rockwool is covered, but will adopt a plastic covering for you. I cant see how that would make a big diff tho? Apart from that - what is the problem? That would not be causing the nitogen def that they clearly have. They are not transplantable. They have rooted the mat.

So far you have said the walls and the covering to the rockwool is the only issue? Are you sure?
the only thing that would cause a nitrogen def is lack of nitrogen or ph bein off
 

ROBINBANKS

New Member


What are Epsom salts?

It is crystallised magnesium sulphate. It is a naturally occurring mineral that is used by all living things.

Chemical name: Magnesium Sulphate Heptahydrate ( or Hydrated).

Chemical Formula: MgSO4 + 7H2O , (Hydrated Magnesium Sulphate).

Mineral Name: Epsomite (MgSO4 + 7H2O).

Similar minerals: Kieserite (MgSO4 + H2O, Hydrated Magnesium Sulphate)
Hexahydrite (MgSO4 + 6H2O).

Magnesium Sulphate is found in 95% mineral waters! Up to 2% of ocean sea salt is Magnesium Sulphate.

Human body needs Magnesium Sulphate!

This simple mineral is often in short supply in modern grown foods and people are often deficient in it. Raising the levels of it often help to reduce severe acute asthma attacks, its used to manage seizures associated with toxemia of pregnancy. It is helpful with all sorts of muscle contraction problems, also several dysrhythmias problems. Has been used for hundreds of years as a liver cleanser and as a purgative.

When used external such as in a bath, magnesium sulphate is absorbed through the skin, it draws toxins from the body, sedates the nervous system, reduces swelling, relaxes muscles.

As a foot soak: Soothe aches, remove odours, and soften rough skin with a foot soak. Add 1/2 cup of Epsom Salt to a large pan of warm water. Soak sprains and bruises: Epsom Salt will reduce the swelling of sprains and bruises. Add 2 cups Epsom Salt to a warm bath, and soak. Or locally use a warm epsom salt-soaked compress to reduce swelling from scrapes, use a cold compress to take the sting out of insect bites.

Epsom salts are named for the mineral rich waters of Epsom, England, where they were known at least as far back as Shakespeare's day. The salts were originally produced by evaporating the spring water where the mineral occurred.

For plants epsom salts can supply two essential chemicals that they need, ie Magnesium and Sulphur in a soluble form absorbable through both the leaves and roots. At the dilution plants need it, it is also friendly to the soil/compost micro flora and stimulates the micro herd.

Overdone like anything it will cause harm to the soil and its fauna. Like everything its about balance. If the plant does not need it don't give it.

With a large plant outdoors in cultivated soil with a good balance of nutrients will never show/have an Mg deficiency. The reason is that its root system is unlimited, a large plant will have a feeder root mass occupying 1 to 2 thousand litres of top soil. The Cannabis plants use of Mg increases as it matures and will be at its peak at around the third week of flowering on 12/12. A plentiful supply at this time is critical to facilitate the transformation into full flowering mode. Because indoor plants grown in containers have a restricted root mass, this is the time where you are most likely to see a problem. It needs dealing with at this early stage.

With cannabis Mg deficiency shows on the lower sunleaves first, the green between the veins becoming a little lighter green as the very early symptom. Seeing it at this stage means the plants are telling you I need magnesium now! In the picture below on the left shows lower leaves of a plant that is starving and short of all three of the main elements ie nitrogen phosphorus and potash but not Magnesium, on the right show lower leaves short on Magnesium only.

Reduced 72%
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Dosage for misting:

1 level teaspoon to a heaped teaspoon per litre of water.

Dosage for watering:

1 level desert to a heaped tablespoon per 5 litres of water.

Dissolve the epsom salts in some hot water first to make sure it has all dissolved properly.

Applications:

1. As a foliar misting just before lights out. Repeat this every three days until you see an improvement.

2. Use when watering/feeding in compost: Once in the vegetative stage, & twice when in flower (day 10 & day 35).
 
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