LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

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falcon223

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Say hyroot those leaves are black. What strain is that? And looks great. You are really growing there. I like I like a lot.
Is that a good pain killer? I live in pain. Really need a good pain killer.
How far along are your plants? Sorry for all the questions.

 
hyroot

hyroot

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falcon223 said:
Say hyroot those leaves are black. What strain is that? And looks great. You are really growing there. I like I like a lot.
Is that a good pain killer? I live in pain. Really need a good pain killer.
How far along are your plants? Sorry for all the questions.

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Yours looks nice too. the ones with black / dark purple is bubba kush. the cold air made go very dark purple.. its still curing, the bud that im holding the container up to is the ones still under the t5 at the end of the pics is raspberry cough and that is a good strain for pain. i got it from nirvanashop. most of their strains are not that good but cheap though. their master is actually hindu skunk. they are all at different rates. most of those i already chopped down last week. bubba kush, master kush, afghanni bullrider, platinum bubba x train wreck. the raspberry cough is still going which are the last pics where im holding the container to them. that is at day 66 today and i took that pic today. im letting go til 70 days days then going in the dark for 2 days before i chop chop


I had a half of them under hps and half under t5. when i chopped them i moved 2 of the rc that were under hps to the t5. then put a new batch under the hps. im doing sog this next round with a little lst
 
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falcon223

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Thanks hyroot. Looks good. I am dialing in flower bulbs and would like your in put.









Witch is best in your opinion? I have my Owen choice, but want a second opinions.

Thanks.

 
hyroot

hyroot

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im still trying to figure out the wave point charts. they don't measure at percentage of irradiance or relative energy. they measure in w/m2. i do understand that aspect, i just have no idea what 4 De-001 means. thats how high the spectrum goes on the ultra growth. im switching my lights up. I'm going to do either 2 fiji 2 redsun and 4 ultragrowth or 1 fiji 1 coral wave and 4 ultragrowth or 4 colormax instead of ultragrowth. im starting to think these wave point bulbs are not as good as we thought. as soon as i figure it out i will say for sure. If anyone can tell me what that damn measurement is let me know. until then i will be in the nerd cave figuring it out





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Lucius Vorenus

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Just added CalCarb in for Co2 into our grow. Will report back on whether its snake oil or not. I hear good things.

Sidenote: HOme Depot now carries Philips 4100k T5 HO bulbs for $9.


Here is the Bulb currently at HD for $9

 
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Lucius Vorenus

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PatientNo.420 said:
I honestly hope my grow isn't given biased views and that I'm not judged by the music I listen to especially because I listen to a wide variety of music (no hostility here, just clarifying). I grew up with a strong hip-hop/rap influence so I listen to it daily because I love the beats (used to produce) and some of it is inspiring as well. Music was not intended to be in the video though, first day recording with a new phone and I couldn't find the audio mute button for the camera. I can't seem to find anywhere in the video editing on YouTube that allows me to mute it, obviously I'm going to have to figure out something as your not the first who has commented on the music, haha.

To the plants though, I can't say as the SLH are liking the music (they were donated to me so they had issues to begin with) but the rest hear it everyday with no complaints as of yet. That room is about to be done for a while anyways, it needs to be remodeled and the HID is hopefully gone for good. I'll keep them around as extra lights but I'd like to have T5's or LED in their place. I yield within a half oz per plant (almost everytime) of my HID yields per plant with the Quantum setup so just switching to them with their bulbs seems to be reason enough but with a better spectrum it could be better than LED as well. However, I can't seem to come to the conclusion as which combination of bulbs is going to be the best yield/quality combo. I notice different people are running different combinations.

Has anyone who has ran these bulbs on here been able to hit 4+ ounces in 3 gallon pot with these bulb configurations?
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I saw you mention seeing the Spectrum for your Quantum Bulbs in the past, where did you find the Spectrum graph? I contacted Quantum and they said they don't have one.

The growth ive seen from the 2900k bulbs has been some of the most impressive from T5's that ive seen as of yet.
 
Undercover Cop

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hyroot said:
those charts are all mislabeled.
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I was trippin at first, thinking "where did the IR go from the Coral wave?!?" Im thinking the Coral Wave SPD is actually the Reef Wave.

My opinion of the Wavepoints (I have all but the 6500k and 12000k)... they're better than the free bulbs that came with my fixture.
I would opt for a red wave for a 6500k replacement, but its nothing special.
The Coral wave is unique for it's IR spike in the 700+range. Its essentially a decent blue bulb with the benefit of IR to help trigger flowering.
The Reef Wave is good for the lower/deeper blues that some other bulbs miss.
The Blue wave is a pretty typical 440nm blue, but for half the price (I got mine for $10ea w shipping at petmountain.com... but Ive seen them elsewhere for $20, Im still going on the $10ea pricepoint).

Here's what they look like, from top down, the middle two slots in each (top fixture = reef wave over blue wave) (bottom fixture = coral wave over red wave)
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I am excited for the Ultra Growth tho... :eyesmoke:
 
hyroot

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hyroot

hyroot

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Undercover Cop said:
I was trippin at first, thinking "where did the IR go from the Coral wave?!?" Im thinking the Coral Wave SPD is actually the Reef Wave.

My opinion of the Wavepoints (I have all but the 6500k and 12000k)... they're better than the free bulbs that came with my fixture.
I would opt for a red wave for a 6500k replacement, but its nothing special.
The Coral wave is unique for it's IR spike in the 700+range. Its essentially a decent blue bulb with the benefit of IR to help trigger flowering.
The Reef Wave is good for the lower/deeper blues that some other bulbs miss.
The Blue wave is a pretty typical 440nm blue, but for half the price (I got mine for $10ea w shipping at petmountain.com... but Ive seen them elsewhere for $20, Im still going on the $10ea pricepoint).

Here's what they look like, from top down, the middle two slots in each (top fixture = reef wave over blue wave) (bottom fixture = coral wave over red wave)
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I am excited for the Ultra Growth tho... :eyesmoke:
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Im just not sure of how high those peaks are though. the coral wave is at 8 De-001 and the ultra growth is at 4 De-001. i still have not figured it out yet what that means........
 
Undercover Cop

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hyroot said:
Im just not sure of how high those peaks are though. the coral wave is at 8 De-001 and the ultra growth is at 4 De-001. i still have not figured it out yet what that means........
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That is very true and Ive wondered about that myself... I guess I kinda figure they'll all have a given light output given their 54w usage, and I just compare the width/height/location of the peaks from their SPD and compare them to the location/height of the spikes in the SPD's of other bulbs, assuming that the overall light output wont be that different between various manufacturers given that they all get 54w and they all use the same technology/phosphors. I dont give much thought to if their pure blue 440 will be as "bright" as any other brands that have a SPD that looks the same.
I dunno, anyone know if there can be really that much difference in the overall light output between two bulbs with very similar SPD's? Are Wavepoints cheaper cuz they're dimmer (even slightly)? I have them next to other brand bulbs and they all seem just as bright.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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I have a friend who is an environmental physicist look into it and he was lost. He said he had never seen 4 De-001 written anywhere and without a given variable or defintion that it does not make sense.....
 
PetFlora

PetFlora

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Lucius Vorenus said:
Another worthy thread. Which one of you might be BENDMMC and started this thread back in December 2009????

http://www.420magazine.com/forums/grow-supply-product-reviews/108241-quantum-t5-badboy-12.html
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I found MCBs thread last year, just when I as getting ready to order a bigger LED. He used ONLY Quantum G & B bulbs, so I bought 8 of each. My first grow was all males. Before the second grow I came across Pr0f's thread. And the rest, as they say, is history. I do infill with the 6500s. They actually have a decent spectral graph and one of the guys here (LV?) uses their Flower bulbs, which, again, I add for fill, only cause another Red Sun died. I am still looking for a kick-ass replacement. I found 2 Coral Waves sun burned my leafs
 
PetFlora

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hyroot said:
i sent quantum an email and the following day they posted them on their site. http://www.quantumhort.com/quantum-triphosphor-bulbs.html
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Well, it only took about 9 months (guess it had to gestate) before they posted them. They do think they are worth a premium (~$13/), but I imagine were I to run 8/8 Q Grows then when I flipped replace 2 with Q Flower (2900s) the yield would be pretty good. But their 2900 looks anemic when lit, not very comforting that it will rock some serious bud.
 
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tehshyt

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I'm still in the early stages of vegging. I've got 3 red sun bulbs ready to go when I flip them to 12/12. At this point I'm almost expecting them to die.
What is the current best substitute for a resdun?
 
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falcon223

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Yea we need a good flower bulb. I guess we could paint the bulbs red? You know like that other guy said.
The coral wave is on my list.

What do you think about this.


 
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