LED vs HID

nvhak49

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I love my cmh 400, but am seeing some stellar led grow's as of late. If one like's to grow tree's I would stick with hid, but in a small cab led imho is the way of the future. My only concern for the OP is keeping the temp's high enough with led, but as already posted small ceramic heaters do the job nicely. NV I think you have plenty of great information here to make an educated decision, you just have to make up your mind as to what you want and.....do...eeeeeet. Good luck to ya bro....J
Ya I'll probably just go with a LED panel and just add the heat if I need too, I got a 4' tent to keep it small and I got a good deal on it too so I'm not complaining. The garage it self runs around 55-65F in it and it will be warmer during the summer time so I'm sure it won't be a big deal to get it to proper temps. Thanks for all the great info guys!
 

nvhak49

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So I am in SoCal and our temps are mild for the most part....it if get to 50 degrees outside it is cold here! lol Today the temps will get up to about 75. But in summer we get hit with a few months of 85-90 degrees. Ambient temps are pretty much going to dictate the temps in the box as you know. Right now It is about 72 in the room where my closet is. My grow area under my LED is around 75 plus or minus. My previous setup with my HID it would have ran about 78. Now that may not seem like a big difference but keep in mind with my 400 those temps are with my inline fan running 3/4 to full speed. With the LED I am 1/4 to 1/2 speed with my inline fan. For me that helped a lot as I like a more stealthy and quite setup. I adjust my setup and fan lower at night when temps drop and my closet will get down to about 72...that is still with lights on. I am veg at 20/4 now. So back when I bought my 400 I want to say I paid a couple hundred dollars for light with hood, glass, etc. The light bulbs run 60/80 and depending on how many runs you do may need to be replaced every year. The electricity is more than double with the HD going. So yes the upfront costs are more, I basically paid 500 out the door for my light. I prob save $20 month on electricity. I won't have to spend the money any replacement bulbs for a vary long time. So if you find the cost is double of what your looking at with a HID think about long term cost and you will make it all up year 1. I know not everyone has the cash in pocket but it is funny to see such a controversy about the light costs when your talking $250 vs $500. Now for the yield....well you sound like your like me and just want a modest setup for a couple plants and not looking to break any records for the largest colas in the world. I have yet to flower under this light but will be comparing it to my last grow. I had my HID pretty dialed in and got 7 oz from two plants last run. I am hoping for not much of a drop off with my AREA 51? Another thing to consider is the grower, a newbie might have a couple runs and then not be into it....maybe not have success or for whatever reason stop growing. Happens ALL the time....if that is case maybe it makes more sense not to invest more money upfront until you know this is something you enjoy and will keep at. If you do decide to go HID look into the CMH, they run a little cooler and have a better spectrum but I would try and keep to 400w and not go lower.

Also something to consider with LED is a lot of the lights actually need to sit a little higher above the canopy than I hid! Depends on lens angles but def look into that with your limited height. My light recommends 20" veg / 18" flower plus or minus.
Thanks for the awesome info, I think I'll stay away from then HID lighting and go with a led panel but I think I'll stay with the CFLs and CREE LEDs for a few grows and get a few under my belt so I know what I'm doing b4 I spend a big chunk of change for a panel but I'll follow ur grow and see how it does for flowering, I ve read lots that LEDs r good for vegging but not a whole lot of the flowering aspect of it yet. I just need to keep looking tho! Thanks again for the info!
 

rwbrock

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yep, I am not starting a journal but I will def post some pics....I actually ended up getting a small tent for my closet to keep it stealthy (2x3x5). Just know growing under the CFL and Cree may not produce the results you are hoping for but you will def learn going through the process and will give you motivation to invest further hopefully. Good luck!
 

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nvhak49

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yep, I am not starting a journal but I will def post some pics....I actually ended up getting a small tent for my closet to keep it stealthy (2x3x5). Just know growing under the CFL and Cree may not produce the results you are hoping for but you will def learn going through the process and will give you motivation to invest further hopefully. Good luck!
sweet set up, ya I know I won't produce as much as I would with a hid but this is my first grow and just testing the waters, I have to blue mystic AF seeds I'll start soon too, if worse comes to worse I'll put my tent inside and get a decent scrubber to keep the smell down but I guess either way I'll have to get one, what kind do u have?
 

feasy

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I have a similar problem I put a 68w 300w equivalent light in the tent and that was all I needed. I put my lights on at night when it is cooler and let the led and the one cfl heat the tent and more light doesn't hurt. I have 160x3w Chinese made led that pulls 267w at the wall and it totally destroys what my 400w HPS used to do in that space.
 

gk skunky

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yep, I am not starting a journal but I will def post some pics....I actually ended up getting a small tent for my closet to keep it stealthy (2x3x5). Just know growing under the CFL and Cree may not produce the results you are hoping for but you will def learn going through the process and will give you motivation to invest further hopefully. Good luck!
Nice! I'm doing something similar with an XGS 190, except just in the closet with no tent.
 

nvhak49

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I know it's off subject but does anyone know of a good carbon filter dan combo that's but super loud and not super spendy??
 

feasy

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Oh damn that's awesome what panel do you have, have you flowered with it yet?
I just have a panel I got off Aliexpress. It is all reds and blues and I have done grows from start to finish with I have pulled plants with 3+ OZ with that light. Here are a pic of my light a plant day 19 of flower with the light on and then a pic of the plant with just the CFL on.
 

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jointed

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I just have a panel I got off Aliexpress. It is all reds and blues and I have done grows from start to finish with I have pulled plants with 3+ OZ with that light. Here are a pic of my light a plant day 19 of flower with the light on and then a pic of the plant with just the CFL on.
That 2nd pic is awesome! Nice light and beautiful plant bro :)
 

ogreballerina

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I was forced into using LEDS.
I had a 1000 w HPS system going...until I saw the wiring in my building.
It's the copper wiring covered in frigging horse hair ! Must be 50 to 60 years old. Building itself is over a 100 years old.
I'm even hesitant to use my 150 HPS.
So I got a 300 LED just to try out in a run.
Glad summers coming so I can go back outside and grow some real smoke.
 

jointed

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You should really have that shit replaced, my first house had it and it was cracked in places so I could see the wire. It's not that hard to run new wire, in fact you can use that old wire to pull new wire to replace it. Provided it's not stapled, if it is it's a lot more involved.
 

ogreballerina

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You should really have that shit replaced, my first house had it and it was cracked in places so I could see the wire. It's not that hard to run new wire, in fact you can use that old wire to pull new wire to replace it. Provided it's not stapled, if it is it's a lot more involved.
Not financial feasible at this time. ( 3 story, 4k+ square feet )
Thinking of moving instead.

Glad I saw it ( the wiring ) while replacing a wall switch.

I like growing ganga...but I like living better.

Sheathing on wire is cracked and frayed...can't believe I ran 1000 watt set up for so long without starting a fire or having the wiring melt.

Just saw this about a month ago.
 

jointed

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Yeah, good thing you found it when ya did. That's a big house man, mine was only a story and a half. Not even close to what you have. You could just run one new line to handle what you need until able to do the job right.
 

tallen

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I was forced into using LEDS.
I had a 1000 w HPS system going...until I saw the wiring in my building.
It's the copper wiring covered in frigging horse hair ! Must be 50 to 60 years old. Building itself is over a 100 years old.
I'm even hesitant to use my 150 HPS.
So I got a 300 LED just to try out in a run.
Glad summers coming so I can go back outside and grow some real smoke.
You could just run a dedicated circuit for your 1000 watt light and maybe a fan or 2. You'd just have to check the breaker box and see if you have a spot to add one and then it's just a breaker, some romex and an outlet to plug it into. (you could also run it from the dryer outlet if your ballast will do 220)
 
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