LED/T5 Veg, 400W HPS Flower SCOG Cabinet

Hey Goat,

Funny you should mention that. When I went to crop the pic my friend said " no, no, just the buds man." I said no way,
The whole purpose to this grow was to make those suckers go 90° under the screen and fat. I wanted to show it off.

I got to believe I got those stalks to grow so big by keeping the temp in the root zone within 10° of the canopy with a max of 70°. They get even bigger if you dont fold them.


Thanks for pointing it out.


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Hey Panta,

Thanks man, Hope you got some ideas for that 600w of yours.
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New Bulb has landed.

Talk about a swing, I was considering LED then this. Thought you may want to check it out. Phillip’s new Ceramic Metal Halide. It’s got it all and then some.
Largest wattage available is 400 watts. Works on 400w Magnetic HPS ballast.





Full Spectrum bulb at 4000k 400 watts. I have flowered with a standard Metal Halide at 4000K before and got great results. My first grow with Water farms was 400W MH in the center. This is suppose to be much better then that.

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Okay, we went 9 weeks with them in flower and last week at 11-13 and last 24hr dark.
I think they could have gone another week or so but the mites were back so I cut them.

Looks good, Here are some trichome shots.



As you can see most were milky, they were just turning amber, even closer for that.



Yea, some were still clear too.

Killer shots huh?
Thanks to my buds Nikon camera.

I just finished trimming and hanging them, I will have some shots tomorrow. My guess would be 3oz dried and cured.


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Hey Drosky,

Yea that bulb set me back $70 but I bet I make it back in the first harvest. Thanks for your input, good luck to you too.
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Hey smoker,

Yea, it did kinda fizzle out. I was disappointed when I found I couldn't sex them Early enough for my grow. My understanding was everyone was going to start at the same time but that didn't happen and I don't think people thought it was to be as detailed as we found out after some had started. Unfortunately I do not have a link for you besides the original links to the journals at cc. If you don't have them, Here they are.

Nutrient Challenge Grow Journal links:
Stinky Widow Cindy

Journal - JohnnyPotSeed
Journal - Cruzer 101
Journal - Burly 55
Journal - Greenthumb111
Journal - RebelDawg
Journal - Smoove
Journal - JuniorGrower
Journal - Paul
Journal - MediChronic
Journal - Krimzon
Journal - Earl

Actually the two center plants of this last batch were stinky Cindy but unfortunately while harvesting I mixed them up.

I did keep my nutrient mix for there grow if you are interested.


Amounts are per gallon.
Seedling stage
First Week R/O water only.
Second Week 10 ml Nitrozime
Start Veg.
Top off res every two days. If ppms lower add nutes to 500ppm
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Week 1
5 ml Flora nova grow, 5ml floralicious grow, 10ml Diamond nectar.500ppm pH 5.5
Week 2
5 ml Flora nova grow, 5ml floralicious grow, 10ml Diamond nectar.500ppm pH 5.5
Week 3
5 ml Flora nova grow, 5ml floralicious grow, 10ml Diamond nectar. 500ppm pH 5.4
Week 4
10ml Flora nova grow, 5ml floralicious grow, 5ml Big Bloom,
10ml Diamond nectar pH 5.7.

Flower: First Flush 24 hrs R/O

Amounts are per gallon. Then where noted I added about 25% more water to get nutrients down to around 800ppm.
Once started top off res every two days.

Week5
5ml FF tiger bloom, 10ml FF big bloom, 15ml diamond nectar. 15ml Budswell. 390ppm pH 5.5
Week 6
10ml FF tiger bloom, 10ml FF big bloom, 15ml diamond nectar. 15ml Budswell. 750ppm pH 5.5
Week 7 Flush 24 hrs
10 ml grow big, 15ml FF big bloom, 10ml Diamond nectar. 15ml Budswell. 1100PPM diluted to 800PPM ppm pH 5.7
Week 8
10 ml grow big, 15ml FF big bloom, 10ml Diamond nectar. 10ml Budswell. 1050ppm diluted to 820 ppms pH 5.7
Week 9 4/3
5 ml grow big, 10ml FF big bloom, 10ml tiger bloom 15 ml Budswell. 1020 diluted to 900 ppms pH 6.0
Week 10 4/11
5 ml grow big, 10ml FF big bloom, 10ml tiger bloom, 5 ml Flora nectar 5ml Kool Bloom 1150 diluted to 980 ppms pH 6.0
Week 11
5 ml grow big, 10ml FF big bloom, 10ml tiger bloom, 10ml Kool Bloom. 1280ppm diluted to 860 ppms pH 6.0
Week 12
5 ml FF big bloom, 7.5 ml tiger bloom, 650ppms pH 5.9
Week 13 Flush straight R/O water.
Change every two days.
1st change 600ppms
2nd change 120ppms
3rd change 90ppms
waited one day then 24 hours dark and harvest.


*Note I think I vegged for an extra 2 weeks but the flower is right.
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Hey Fire,

Yea man, I really think I got the best bulb available for my setup and this next one will be the best yet.

Link? do I have a link? Of course I have a link.
Master Color Ceramic Metal Halide Link
$55 was the best deal I found and got it in about a week.

Good to hear the girls are taking to the sunshine. Did you harden them off or straight to the rays? Thats what I did with no problem.


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Hey Rich,

Yea, its a long one. I am glad you enjoyed it. You learned from your mistakes on your first grow? Good. Thats what it's all about. As you can tell from the read I am constantly learning. Thanks for the complement on the grow. I have used this to look back and see where I could improve.

To answer your questions, No there is no light leak. I used weather stripping around the doors. From say, six feet away you cant tell a thing. Standing right next to it you can hear the duct fan but I placed a small personal refer next to it on a file cabinet. I blame the noise on that if anyone asks
The smell isn't that bad really, It is vented outside through a window behind the cabinet. I got a piece of Styrofoam, cut the holes, ran the ducting, covered it in black cloth and slid the window against it.

Right now I have both intake and exhaust vented outside. My next move is to change that up a bit. I think you will like it.

The Dream Team? I got some pics today. It is hard to believe how fast these things are growing. I will upload the pics...

Be right back.

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I swear these girls have tripled in size in three weeks. They are growing much faster then I figured.



I am going over there this week to top them to get the lower branches to catch up and set up there screen.
Oh, Did I mention this grow will be an outdoor SCROG?.

We don't want them taller then the fence so I am setting the screen about 18" from the top of the fence and training them along the fence line. Just like the cabinet, once we see preflowers we will pretty much let them go. as long as the buds are not longer then 18" If they get too tall we can always tie them down but I dont see them getting taller then 18"



Nine blade leaves already.



Look at how fat the stocks are. Its the Super Silver Haze.

If this works like we plan, we will have about 20 feet of buds.
(hence the name dream Team)

Here is the dirt mix we decided on.

Dream Team dirt mix
35% mulch soil redwood
35% planting mix no ferts.
15% perlite
15% sand

We are watering 3 times a week and feeding Fox Farm Nutes.


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4th harvest: White Widow

I found by super croping I believe I stunted growth. I used the same watering system but the root system
did not get as big so I have to assume the buds were not as large as they could have been either.






See the difference?

So, Next time I will supercrop the four on the outside, point them towards the center like I
did this time but the four in the center I will just train to grow to the outside.



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Dam its hot. We are having a bit of a heat wave here this weekend. Temps 90 to 100°

I know I hung this batch only four days ago but they are dry already.
Usually I give them a week then in paper bags for a couple days but not this time.
I cut the buds off the stocks and put them in jars, these are going in the fridge.



I think this will be the strongest stuff so far. I say that because usualy they have a cut grass smell
to them at this time. These dont. There loaded with trichomes and have real dank smell.

Hopefully they didnt dry too fast.
I did manacure them a little closer this time maybe thats why.

Oh, by the way, I found a seed. looks like at least one of them hermed.
It's not tiger striped but it looks intact. I am sure there is more.

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Yea Fire, It needs a HPS ballast. The old type, Magnetic not a digital one.

The way I understand it is, its an all purpose bulb. You can veg and flower with it. Its not a regular Halide bulb its like a mix of both bulbs but the sodium part needs something called an igniter so they built it around a HPS ballast.

Then you got equal amounts of the full spectrum. Just blast it with that and it uses the light it needs when it needs it. No more switch because the bulb covers it all. I was impressed with the flowering possibilities so I checked out a couple journals and so far people say they like it. Good bud production and runs cooler. I am still going to veg with T5 and LED but this will flower the next batch.

The name is deceiving though, You do need a HPS ballast.
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