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BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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Big smo said:
I respect everything you say but it's deeper than just this light vs that light or Amare sucks because....
I have a ton of cobs that are up,down, being tested and some collecting dust. I think/know there is benefits to the LEDs surrounding the cobs. Not all scientific or completely controlled tests but the LEDs alone veg much better than 3500k cobs. The rest of the light is the same as many others. Taking everything into consideration including he hasn't sold a panel at full price, subtract gogreenleds price on 6 3070 cob panel price from the sp-450 price and what's left is very reasonable for the extra LEDs, uv, seperate power supply and included lenses. I don't see why anyone would have anything bad to say about the company besides the year long delay on the website. Yes there is a little deep throating going on but that's nothing compared to what i have read on this forum. I wanted to vomit when I read the garden thread, people were fighting for a taste. when every other company is being advertised by members here Amare seems to get left out. His cobs come from the same company everyone else's come from. Pushing the plain cob to the next level. Driving them unconventionally, supplementing them that's all good shit.
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Right. My grows the Zelion HLs go green CLW Ss550 and DIY CXB are all great but non of them are the one best light. I too notice better results with the mixture of monos with the cobs. But for a current ultimate light I'd do 8 DIY cobs with osram modules which would be less than an amare and have a much better foot print and efficiency and par and use less power. Or use fluence 4' bars for their high efficiency blue red mix and Tasteys cob bars and mix those for less and like the hell out of an amare for the same price.

So comparatively amare actually does suck. Only 4 cobs and the mono panels. I bet that costs less than $400 to make and
Something better can be built easily especially for less than that
$2000 price.

I don't see amare As Unconventional I see
Them using the least amount of Good to ok hardware for an insane markup.

The CLW SS550 for $700 covering 3x4 is a better deal than the amare. Similar efficiency but you could get 2-3 of the lights for the price of the amare pro-9 and cover a hell of a lot more area. And I know you could get better prices than 700$ per light. But again I don't go on every single thread saying they are the best and most efficient replacement for HID because I know it's efficiency and it could always be better. But it is for sure better than what Amare is offering.

Hybirdway is spreading false info giving profit to a light company that could do so much better ESPECIALLY for what they're charging. And they're having them made in China. So you know it's all about Profit for them. I see it just Like someone advertising mars lights and newbs buying because of the adverts. He's fucking dudes over because he doesn't know what he says and he's just Feeding off the amare dick like it's the word of
God.
 
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Big smo

Big smo

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What about the 8 3590's for $1849 or 16 2540's for 1249. There are a lot of lights available that are much much more expensive for less. Forgot the guy's name now but he just bought a pro9 and paid 1500. So the sticker is not always the bottom dollar and he offeres the prices before you even ask. The 168w of LEDs and uv on the sp-450 after the current sale is the same price as ggled same 6 3070's with less coverage and 2 year less warranty. personslly I'd much rather DIY a 4 cobber and 2 fluence bars over a pro9 but that's not for everyone and that's just one light. There will always be a less expensive way but you don't get it in one package either. Also consider the business profit, operations costs of owning a company that produces 10 different products and it's not all as bad as written here.
 
BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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Big smo said:
What about the 8 3590's for $1849 or 16 2540's for 1249. There are a lot of lights available that are much much more expensive for less. Forgot the guy's name now but he just bought a pro9 and paid 1500. So the sticker is not always the bottom dollar and he offeres the prices before you even ask. The 168w of LEDs and uv on the sp-450 after the current sale is the same price as ggled same 6 3070's with less coverage and 2 year less warranty. personslly I'd much rather DIY a 4 cobber and 2 fluence bars over a pro9 but that's not for everyone and that's just one light. There will always be a less expensive way but you don't get it in one package either. Also consider the business profit, operations costs of owning a company that produces 10 different products and it's not all as bad as written here.
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I've not seen 8 3590 for that asshole of a price that's insane. realstyles can do much much better for a much much better price. Then add in 2 fluence bars. For that 1500$ That would be a bad ass set up and efficient
Hell for 1600 you can get the BC blondes with 16 CXB 3590. That would make the amare look like a reptilian heat lamp.
 
BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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Big smo said:
Feel like an asshole for linking this company but it is what it is.

https://www.johnsongrowlights.com/products/maximizer?variant=20715714819

https://www.johnsongrowlights.com/products/cx-16

The only reason I replied here is because this co gets referred more than Amare does and these lights have no business being in this price range. There will always be a better option
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well yeah it should be repped more than amare at least its efficient and top bin....but yeah Fuck that price unless they have the commercial certificates for insured professional growers otherwise that 8 cxb 3590 in a fan assembly isn't worth that price at all.. but it will out perform the amare pro 9
 
Big smo

Big smo

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BM9AGS said:
well yeah it should be repped more than amare at least its efficient and top bin....but yeah Fuck that price unless they have the commercial certificates for insured professional growers otherwise that 8 cxb 3590 in a fan assembly isn't worth that price at all.. but it will out perform the amare pro 9
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That again depends on what your comparing. Efficiency is sacrificed on purpose in the pro series but not the rest of them. 50w 3070's are very efficient for what they are. There is also no way 600w of 3590's driven at 75w 49% efficient is going to beat 900w of 3590's xp-g3's and xp-e2's considering the 4 3590's are only 6% less efficient since they are driven 25w harder. So both lights use top bin parts, both air cooled, both nearly the same price and the Amare has 300 more watts and meanwell drivers vs the unknown on the maximizer. 5 year warranty on the Amare and not stated on the maximizer. The biggest part is I haven't seen or heard of anyone getting less than 20% off on Amare and not seen any talk about deals from Johnson. I think if someone wanted to pay ass loads of money for a light the Amare would win in this comparison.
 
BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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Big smo said:
That again depends on what your comparing. Efficiency is sacrificed on purpose in the pro series but not the rest of them. 50w 3070's are very efficient for what they are. There is also no way 600w of 3590's driven at 75w 49% efficient is going to beat 900w of 3590's xp-g3's and xp-e2's considering the 4 3590's are only 6% less efficient since they are driven 25w harder. So both lights use top bin parts, both air cooled, both nearly the same price and the Amare has 300 more watts and meanwell drivers vs the unknown on the maximizer. 5 year warranty on the Amare and not stated on the maximizer. The biggest part is I haven't seen or heard of anyone getting less than 20% off on Amare and not seen any talk about deals from Johnson. I think if someone wanted to pay ass loads of money for a light the Amare would win in this comparison.
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Well where's the actual data that the cobs are CXB 3590 and what they're ran at?

If they're ran at 104watts each they're 43% efficient assuming top bin ofc(6% more efficient than a new gavita de @ 3-4x the cost
So 140 lpw x 412w is about 58,000 lumens.
Then the Cree xp are about 94 lpw so say 400w x 94 is 36,000 lumens.
That's a total of less than 100,000k lumens......less than a 1000w de for sure!! For 4х the price. If that's not China junk IDK

The 8x CXB 3590 at 75w would be almost the same lumens just under 100,000k lumens. So for 600w yes it's much much better. But still a ripoff at anything over $1k imho(8xcxb can be DIY for an easy $600)(timber 12 cxb@50w would be 10,000 more lumens for 300 less watts for less than the amare 1200$ just gotta make frame)

Ohh it's cute seeing hybirdway riding your coat tails..,,he resorts to personal insults when he can't be intelligent because there's no math in his grandiose claims.

Amare loses. They're in it for the money like Mars but I'm sure mars sells more leds than any half assed led because people will believe anything. Just look how Obama was elected 2x.......anyway

The amare would be an ok deal if they were advertised at 1000 imo but they're not efficient at all.
 
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MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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BM9AGS said:
Well where's the actual data that the cobs are CXB 3590 and what they're ran at?

If they're ran at 104watts each they're 43% efficient assuming top bin ofc(6% more efficient than a new gavita de @ 3-4x the cost
So 140 lpw x 412w is about 58,000 lumens.
Then the Cree xp are about 94 lpw so say 400w x 94 is 36,000 lumens.
That's a total of less than 100,000k lumens......less than a 1000w de for sure!! For 4х the price. If that's not China junk IDK

The 8x CXB 3590 at 75w would be almost the same lumens just under 100,000k lumens. So for 600w yes it's much much better. But still a ripoff at anything over $1k imho(8xcxb can be DIY for an easy $600)(timber 12 cxb@50w would be 10,000 more lumens for 300 less watts for less than the amare 1200$ just gotta make frame)

Ohh it's cute seeing hybirdway riding your coat tails..,,he resorts to personal insults when he can't be intelligent because there's no math in his grandiose claims.

Amare loses. They're in it for the money like Mars but I'm sure mars sells more leds than any half assed led because people will believe anything. Just look how Obama was elected 2x.......anyway

The amare would be an ok deal if they were advertised at 1000 imo but they're not efficient at all.
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Or say screw money and throw it at COBs. all the important info is easy to read... dont mind that price though... lol On a real note the 8 cob option will likely be my next light as its pushes the bes output Ive seen price/performance wise.

CXB3590DD36V5000K 16 COBS @1.4A ON 5.88 PROFILE HEATSINK
16 SQ.FT. CANOPY 94% EFFICIENT DRIVER @15 CENTS PER KWH
Total power watts at the wall: 831.91
Cobs power watts: 782
Total voltage forward: 558
Total lumens: 165581
Total PAR watts assuming 10% loss: 460
Total PPF: 2056.2
PPFD based on canopy area: 1383.3
PAR watts per sq.ft.: 28.75
Cob efficiency: 65.35%
Power watts per sq.ft.: 48.88
Voltage forward per cob: 34.89
Lumens per watt: 211.74
Heatsink riser thickness / number of fins / fin's length: 0.27in/14/1.0in
Heatsink area per inch: 260.01 cm^2
Total heat watts: 271
umol/s/W / CRI: 4.47 / 70CRI
Heatsink length passive cooling @120cm^2/heatwatt: 125 inches
Heatsink length active cooling @40cm^2/heatwatt: 42 inches
COB cost dollar per PAR watt: $1.62
Electric cost @12/12 in 30 days: $45.42
Electric cost @18/6 in 30 days: $67.88
Cost per cob: $46.5
Heatsink cost per inch cut: $1.74
Total cobs cost: $744
Total heatsink passive cooling cost: $218
Total heatsink active cooling cost: $73



Then again... theres the citi 1212s that I keep thinking about...


1212 4000K80Min 40 COBS @500 mA ON 5.88 PROFILE HEATSINK
16 SQ.FT. CANOPY 92% EFFICIENT DRIVER @15 CENTS PER KWH
Total power watts at the wall: 739.08
Cobs power watts: 679.96
Total voltage forward: 1359.91
Total lumens: 123294.96
Total PAR watts assuming 10% loss: 328.30
Total PPF: 1732.70
PPFD based on canopy area: 1165.66
PAR watts per sq.ft.: 20.52
Cob efficiency: 53.65%
Power watts per sq.ft.: 42.50
Voltage forward per cob: 34.00
Lumens per watt: 181.33
Heatsink riser thickness / number of fins / fin's length: 0.27in/14/1.0in
Heatsink area per inch: 260.01 cm^2
Total heat watts: 312.78
umol/s/W: 2.55 LER: 338.00 QER: 4.75
Heatsink length passive cooling @120cm^2/heatwatt: 144 inches
Heatsink length active cooling @40cm^2/heatwatt: 48 inches
COB cost dollar per PAR watt: $1.46
Electric cost @12/12 in 30 days: $39.91
Electric cost @18/6 in 30 days: $59.87
Cost per cob: $12.0
Heatsink cost per inch cut: $1.74
Total cobs cost: $480.0
Total heatsink passive cooling cost: $250.56
Total heatsink active cooling cost: $83.52

or

1212 3000K70Min 40 COBS @500 mA ON 5.88 PROFILE HEATSINK
16 SQ.FT. CANOPY 92% EFFICIENT DRIVER @15 CENTS PER KWH
Total power watts at the wall: 739.08
Cobs power watts: 679.96
Total voltage forward: 1359.91
Total lumens: 126369.81
Total PAR watts assuming 10% loss: 346.75
Total PPF: 1872.43
PPFD based on canopy area: 1259.67
PAR watts per sq.ft.: 21.67
Cob efficiency: 56.66%
Power watts per sq.ft.: 42.50
Voltage forward per cob: 34.00
Lumens per watt: 185.85
Heatsink riser thickness / number of fins / fin's length: 0.27in/14/1.0in
Heatsink area per inch: 260.01 cm^2
Total heat watts: 292.38
umol/s/W: 2.75 LER: 328.00 QER: 4.86
Heatsink length passive cooling @120cm^2/heatwatt: 135 inches
Heatsink length active cooling @40cm^2/heatwatt: 45 inches
COB cost dollar per PAR watt: $1.38
Electric cost @12/12 in 30 days: $39.91
Electric cost @18/6 in 30 days: $59.87
Cost per cob: $12.0
Heatsink cost per inch cut: $1.74
Total cobs cost: $480.0
Total heatsink passive cooling cost: $234.90
Total heatsink active cooling cost: $78.30
 
BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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MeGaKiLlErMaN said:
Or say screw money and throw it at COBs. all the important info is easy to read... dont mind that price though... lol On a real note the 8 cob option will likely be my next light as its pushes the bes output Ive seen price/performance wise.

CXB3590DD36V5000K 16 COBS @1.4A ON 5.88 PROFILE HEATSINK
16 SQ.FT. CANOPY 94% EFFICIENT DRIVER @15 CENTS PER KWH
Total power watts at the wall: 831.91
Cobs power watts: 782
Total voltage forward: 558
Total lumens: 165581
Total PAR watts assuming 10% loss: 460
Total PPF: 2056.2
PPFD based on canopy area: 1383.3
PAR watts per sq.ft.: 28.75
Cob efficiency: 65.35%
Power watts per sq.ft.: 48.88
Voltage forward per cob: 34.89
Lumens per watt: 211.74
Heatsink riser thickness / number of fins / fin's length: 0.27in/14/1.0in
Heatsink area per inch: 260.01 cm^2
Total heat watts: 271
umol/s/W / CRI: 4.47 / 70CRI
Heatsink length passive cooling @120cm^2/heatwatt: 125 inches
Heatsink length active cooling @40cm^2/heatwatt: 42 inches
COB cost dollar per PAR watt: $1.62
Electric cost @12/12 in 30 days: $45.42
Electric cost @18/6 in 30 days: $67.88
Cost per cob: $46.5
Heatsink cost per inch cut: $1.74
Total cobs cost: $744
Total heatsink passive cooling cost: $218
Total heatsink active cooling cost: $73



Then again... theres the citi 1212s that I keep thinking about...


1212 4000K80Min 40 COBS @500 mA ON 5.88 PROFILE HEATSINK
16 SQ.FT. CANOPY 92% EFFICIENT DRIVER @15 CENTS PER KWH
Total power watts at the wall: 739.08
Cobs power watts: 679.96
Total voltage forward: 1359.91
Total lumens: 123294.96
Total PAR watts assuming 10% loss: 328.30
Total PPF: 1732.70
PPFD based on canopy area: 1165.66
PAR watts per sq.ft.: 20.52
Cob efficiency: 53.65%
Power watts per sq.ft.: 42.50
Voltage forward per cob: 34.00
Lumens per watt: 181.33
Heatsink riser thickness / number of fins / fin's length: 0.27in/14/1.0in
Heatsink area per inch: 260.01 cm^2
Total heat watts: 312.78
umol/s/W: 2.55 LER: 338.00 QER: 4.75
Heatsink length passive cooling @120cm^2/heatwatt: 144 inches
Heatsink length active cooling @40cm^2/heatwatt: 48 inches
COB cost dollar per PAR watt: $1.46
Electric cost @12/12 in 30 days: $39.91
Electric cost @18/6 in 30 days: $59.87
Cost per cob: $12.0
Heatsink cost per inch cut: $1.74
Total cobs cost: $480.0
Total heatsink passive cooling cost: $250.56
Total heatsink active cooling cost: $83.52

or

1212 3000K70Min 40 COBS @500 mA ON 5.88 PROFILE HEATSINK
16 SQ.FT. CANOPY 92% EFFICIENT DRIVER @15 CENTS PER KWH
Total power watts at the wall: 739.08
Cobs power watts: 679.96
Total voltage forward: 1359.91
Total lumens: 126369.81
Total PAR watts assuming 10% loss: 346.75
Total PPF: 1872.43
PPFD based on canopy area: 1259.67
PAR watts per sq.ft.: 21.67
Cob efficiency: 56.66%
Power watts per sq.ft.: 42.50
Voltage forward per cob: 34.00
Lumens per watt: 185.85
Heatsink riser thickness / number of fins / fin's length: 0.27in/14/1.0in
Heatsink area per inch: 260.01 cm^2
Total heat watts: 292.38
umol/s/W: 2.75 LER: 328.00 QER: 4.86
Heatsink length passive cooling @120cm^2/heatwatt: 135 inches
Heatsink length active cooling @40cm^2/heatwatt: 45 inches
COB cost dollar per PAR watt: $1.38
Electric cost @12/12 in 30 days: $39.91
Electric cost @18/6 in 30 days: $59.87
Cost per cob: $12.0
Heatsink cost per inch cut: $1.74
Total cobs cost: $480.0
Total heatsink passive cooling cost: $234.90
Total heatsink active cooling cost: $78.30
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That's a lotta ppfd......you doing hydro and 1500ppm of co2?

Wayyyyy too much ppfd on 5000k you can do 700mw and add red to easily crush it.

If I get cobs again I'd do 2700k but the new leds are out in a couple weeks that crush it.
 
MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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BM9AGS said:
That's a lotta ppfd......you doing hydro and 1500ppm of co2?
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Its not quite enough IMO I really am trying to hit 1700PPFD and keep the watts down as best I can to under 1000 but that light would be a metric shit ton of cash, maybe next cree series if they setup their game again.

Yeah Im in hydro and I dont need the co2 yet, I would benefit but I dont "need" it yet. Check my signature. Im sitting at some good numbers that Im happy with, and hope to prove a point.

Next run after my side by side Ill be using a co2 generator so till then Im on an exhaust fan.
 
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MeGaKiLlErMaN

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Here would be my arm and legs if I had to sell them lol.



CXB3590DD36V5000K 40 COBS @0.7A ON 5.88 PROFILE HEATSINK
16 SQ.FT. CANOPY 94% EFFICIENT DRIVER @15 CENTS PER KWH
Total power watts at the wall: 974.47
Cobs power watts: 916
Total voltage forward: 1309
Total lumens: 220362
Total PAR watts assuming 10% loss: 612
Total PPF: 2735.64
PPFD based on canopy area: 1840.38
PAR watts per sq.ft.: 38.25
Cob efficiency: 74.25%
Power watts per sq.ft.: 57.25
Voltage forward per cob: 32.72
Lumens per watt: 240.57
Heatsink riser thickness / number of fins / fin's length: 0.27in/14/1.0in
Heatsink area per inch: 260.01 cm^2
Total heat watts: 236
umol/s/W / CRI: 4.47 / 70CRI
Heatsink length passive cooling @120cm^2/heatwatt: 109 inches
Heatsink length active cooling @40cm^2/heatwatt: 36 inches
COB cost dollar per PAR watt: $3.04
Electric cost @12/12 in 30 days: $53.12
Electric cost @18/6 in 30 days: $79.43
Cost per cob: $46.5
Heatsink cost per inch cut: $1.74
Total cobs cost: $1860
Total heatsink passive cooling cost: $190
Total heatsink active cooling cost: $62
 
BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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MeGaKiLlErMaN said:
Its not quite enough IMO I really am trying to hit 1700PPFD and keep the watts down as best I can to under 1000 but that light would be a metric shit ton of cash, maybe next cree series if they setup their game again.

Yeah Im in hydro and I dont need the co2 yet, I would benefit but I dont "need" it yet. Check my signature. Im sitting at some good numbers that Im happy with, and hope to prove a point.

Next run after my side by side Ill be using a co2 generator so till then Im on an exhaust fan.
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Damn. Ok. I'd like to see your gain after co2 enhanced air. 15-20% increase is always fucking bad ass
 
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REALSTYLES

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BM9AGS said:
what's the price Bro
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Too much due to shipping it. I'm thinking $1400-$1700 for it but that is after it gets UL approved and most of these guys selling light have CE labels because they out source their lights from China and that's why you don't hear made in the USA.
 
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MeGaKiLlErMaN

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BM9AGS said:
Damn. Ok. I'd like to see your gain after co2 enhanced air. 15-20% increase is always fucking bad ass
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So would I, I have it for the end of flower but Im running a DE and standard HPS so its not the optimal setup. Im sell them after this next run. Then Ill be getting some more cobs and sealing the room.
 
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Hybridway

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BM9AGS said:
Well where's the actual data that the cobs are CXB 3590 and what they're ran at?

If they're ran at 104watts each they're 43% efficient assuming top bin ofc(6% more efficient than a new gavita de @ 3-4x the cost
So 140 lpw x 412w is about 58,000 lumens.
Then the Cree xp are about 94 lpw so say 400w x 94 is 36,000 lumens.
That's a total of less than 100,000k lumens......less than a 1000w de for sure!! For 4х the price. If that's not China junk IDK

The 8x CXB 3590 at 75w would be almost the same lumens just under 100,000k lumens. So for 600w yes it's much much better. But still a ripoff at anything over $1k imho(8xcxb can be DIY for an easy $600)(timber 12 cxb@50w would be 10,000 more lumens for 300 less watts for less than the amare 1200$ just gotta make frame)

Ohh it's cute seeing hybirdway riding your coat tails..,,he resorts to personal insults when he can't be intelligent because there's no math in his grandiose claims.

Amare loses. They're in it for the money like Mars but I'm sure mars sells more leds than any half assed led because people will believe anything. Just look how Obama was elected 2x.......anyway

The amare would be an ok deal if they were advertised at 1000 imo but they're not efficient at all.
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Thank you very much!
Do to your ignorant hypothetical nonsense, bogus equations based on lopsided #'s I am now the Proud owner of my first Pro-9. Just couldn't take the phony-Bologna anymore. Always wanted one & now I have a Shiny Pro-9 & Par-Meter coming in the mail.
When I first came here I told anyone who doubted anything I said that I'd be happy to prove it. Especially happy to when it involves me buying the best DE replacement I can find.
I will Be starting a thread on the Pro-9 including live PPFD mapping. Answering all questions possible & following it up with another live grow showing what matters most to me, the results.
While I'm at it, I'll also do direct comparisons against my HPS, incorporating all my Amare lights.
We'll have PPFD mapping for the SE-450, 2 Pro-4's & The Pro-9.
This should settle any misinformation being spouted by haters like BM9AGS who try their damnedest to convince people that are new to led that Amare isn't one of the best companies & most powerful led grow lights around to date.
I'm all about the facts. I don't lie or make up false #'s. I show live results, growing decent sized plants.
A hell of allot more to be a productive member of this community then those guys that make up false # to do their math equations in attempts to look smart & put down good companies. Further prohibiting growers from buying what works.
 
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sixstring2112

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Hybridway said:
Thank you very much!
Do to your ignorant hypothetical nonsense, bogus equations based on lopsided #'s I am now the Proud owner of my first Pro-9. Just couldn't take the phony-Bologna anymore. Always wanted one & now I have a Shiny Pro-9 & Par-Meter coming in the mail.
When I first came here I told anyone who doubted anything I said that I'd be happy to prove it. Especially happy to when it involves me buying the best DE replacement I can find.
I will Be starting a thread on the Pro-9 including live PPFD mapping. Answering all questions possible & following it up with another live grow showing what matters most to me, the results.
While I'm at it, I'll also do direct comparisons against my HPS, incorporating all my Amare lights.
We'll have PPFD mapping for the SE-450, 2 Pro-4's & The Pro-9.
This should settle any misinformation being spouted by haters like BM9AGS who try their damnedest to convince people that are new to led that Amare isn't one of the best companies & most powerful led grow lights around to date.
I'm all about the facts. I don't lie or make up false #'s. I show live results, growing decent sized plants.
A hell of allot more to be a productive member of this community then those guys that make up false # to do their math equations in attempts to look smart & put down good companies. Further prohibiting growers from buying what works.
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this is good man.you should hang the lamp alone when you get it and take some par readings before you get it hung in your room with other light overlapping so we can see what it does on its own.i know my par numbers are not as high as the data sheets would imply.they can be close but real world numbers are slightly lower from waht i see,even on my de lamps and 600w hps.lok forward to seeing this light.peace
 
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